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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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rebs23

whisky_galore wrote: »

A lot of poor-mouth boo hooing over being small business owners, just sell them on.
Jesus, use it or lose it.

CPO by the Local Authority, should be simple but apparently not?

whisky_galore

Dbu wrote: »

Here you go
Easy to find online
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owner-blames-crash-for-dereliction-on-corks-historic-spine-932989.html

A lot of poor-mouth boo hooing over being small business owners, just sell them on.
Jesus, use it or lose it.

"Dave, Padraig, and Brian O’Connor are named on the council’s derelict sites register as the owners of No 65, with Dave and Brian listed as the owners of 62, 63, and 64."

Go ahead and sue me, lads.

Markcheese

There's a smallish housing estate being started on mill road midleton ,but more significantly the enormous concrete grain silos next door are also being demolished , I'll see if I can get a pic or 2 to put up , assume they'll be weeks working on the demolition ,it's not a huge site ,with mill road in front ,
And the river just a few feet behind the silos ...

Dbu

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Why cryptic? Nothing wrong with stating who it is?

Here you go
Easy to find online
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owner-blames-crash-for-dereliction-on-corks-historic-spine-932989.html

Captainsatnav

Dbu wrote: »

Its well know who owns these buildings and his name has been mentioned on both 96fm and Red fm on numerous occasions
Lives is a mansion on Maryborough hill

Why cryptic? Nothing wrong with stating who it is?

Dbu

whisky_galore wrote: »

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owners-of-derelict-buildings-in-cork-given-month-to-remove-metal-support-beams-981379.html

I'd like to know who owns these places and why they let them get into this state?

Its well know who owns these buildings and his name has been mentioned on both 96fm and Red fm on numerous occasions
Lives is a mansion on Maryborough hill

whisky_galore

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owners-of-derelict-buildings-in-cork-given-month-to-remove-metal-support-beams-981379.html

I'd like to know who owns these places and why they let them get into this state?

marno21

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Would I right in saying that the decision on the Sextant tower will be before the end of this month.

You would indeed - 26th February

Rhys Essien

Would I right in saying that the decision on the Sextant tower will be before the end of this month.

marno21

It's important to note also that CMATS is still a draft. There won't be any implementations until the final revision is published.

However, once it's published, that excuse becomes moot. The Chamber of Commerce amongst others have been calling for leadership on the issue in the pre-election season.

The best thing is that there's the prospect of a Minister for Transport who isn't a disinterested fool.

[Deleted User]

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Expecting something to be done in a couple of months when several ministers from Cork didnt deliver for Cork in over 2 decades.

No pressure then.

They committed in their manifestos. CMATS came out last year, not 20 years ago. If it completely stalls then we know that SF are the same as others (should they form a government that is)

ShamoBuc

Deleted User wrote: »

Progression on CMATS, Cork/Limerick Motorway, NRR will be telling.

How is judging them on their commitments a set up?

Expecting something to be done in a couple of months when several ministers from Cork didnt deliver for Cork in over 2 decades.

No pressure then.

[Deleted User]

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The proof of the last 20 years will not be undone in a couple of months time, nor will it ever be forgotten.

Talk about setting someone up for a fall.

Progression on CMATS, Cork/Limerick Motorway, NRR will be telling.

How is judging them on their commitments a set up?

ShamoBuc

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, proof will be in the next few weeks/months.

The proof of the last 20 years will not be undone in a couple of months time, nor will it ever be forgotten.

Talk about setting someone up for a fall.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

Cork had a senior government minister at the cabinet table for the last 22 years between Martin and Coveney. They didn't exactly excel themselves at delivering infrastructure for Cork. I wouldn't be expecting anything now either.

Again, proof will be in the next few weeks/months.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

And, should they end up in government, the proof will be in the eating

Cork had a senior government minister at the cabinet table for the last 22 years between Martin and Coveney. They didn't exactly excel themselves at delivering infrastructure for Cork. I wouldn't be expecting anything now either.

[Deleted User]

snotboogie wrote: »

O'Laoghaire has been very vocal on public transport in Cork throughout his last term

And, should they end up in government, the proof will be in the eating

snotboogie

Captainsatnav wrote: »

I didn't realise that - just checked it out. Thanks for pointing that out. Silver lining!

O'Laoghaire has been very vocal on public transport in Cork throughout his last term

Captainsatnav

namloc1980 wrote: »

Of the big 3 parties SF and FG specifically committed to funding CMATS in their manifesto. FF (despite the two main men in the party being from Cork) made no reference in their manifesto. The majority of the FF transport plan revolves around more roads.

I didn't realise that - just checked it out. Thanks for pointing that out. Silver lining!

hans aus dtschl

Let's see how the dust settles in a couple of weeks.
Politics discussions won't help us right now.

namloc1980

Captainsatnav wrote: »

That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.

Of the big 3 parties SF and FG specifically committed to funding CMATS in their manifesto. FF (despite the two main men in the party being from Cork) made no reference in their manifesto. The majority of the FF transport plan revolves around more roads.

Captainsatnav

Deleted User wrote: »

Well most areas of Cork returned SF so let's see if they are as "Green" as they espouse

They're not the 'green' we need. Non existent environmental policies in manifesto.

[Deleted User]

Captainsatnav wrote: »

That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.

Well most areas of Cork returned SF so let's see if they are as "Green" as they espouse

Captainsatnav

That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.

hans aus dtschl

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Really that soon? Glanmire traffic is already bad enough and none of the proposed road upgrades in the area have been done.

Those belated infrastructure upgrades are going to ABP for CPO soon. Maybe complete next year if we're lucky.

Fully agree that they shouldn't be lumping the new traffic onto the old infrastructure (as did ABP in their first planning refusal) but at least there's some glimmer of hope.

whisky_galore

rounders wrote: »

Don't think there is a specific way to measure that. Can really only assume that if students are moving away from houses to purpose built properties that there is some degree of improvement

Depends whether they can afford these fancy pants apartment rents or not.

rounders

Douglas Eegit wrote: »

Are all these student apartments which are planned, in the middle of construction or recently completed having the desired impact and freeing up properties for private residential occupancy?

Don't think there is a specific way to measure that. Can really only assume that if students are moving away from houses to purpose built properties that there is some degree of improvement

Douglas Eegit

Apogee wrote: »

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1938385/0

Design drawings previously posted here.

Are all these student apartments which are planned, in the middle of construction or recently completed having the desired impact and freeing up properties for private residential occupancy?

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

Going forward:

Updated best case schedule:

Q4 2019: Victoria Hotel, Kelleher Tyre's Student, Morrison's Island Hostel

Cork City Planning wrote:

Permission...for the construction of a residential development of 25 no. student apartments, consisting of 154 no. bed spaces and all ancillary site works at the former Kelleher's Tyres service centre, Victoria Cross Road, Cork. The proposed development represents an alteration to a development permitted by Cork City Council planning reference 18/37795 and proposes an additional 5 no. student apartments over that previously permitted. The proposed development provides for the demolition of the existing commercial building and the construction of an 8-storey apartment block consisting of 4 no.4-bedroom apartments, 3 no. 5-bedroom apartments, 8 no. 6-bedroom apartments, 5 no. 7-bedroom apartments, 5 no. 8 bedroom apartments with ancillary common room and office/reception. The proposal includes plant/service rooms, bin storage area, laundry, bicycle storage, a rear vehicular service entrance, shared garden areas, rooftop terrace, and a landscaped riverside amenity.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1938385/0

Design drawings previously posted here.

questionmark?

who_me wrote: »

Great to hear!

But - and I'm not being a misery guts, honest! - that's still a fraction of the new office capacity. Adding a thousand or so units across all residential developments, and 10,000+ new office capacity if all are finished; means a net negative for the accommodation shortage.

Plus, if the offices are central and the residential developments are all suburban, it adds pressure too to the traffic and/or public transport systems.

(It's Friday. I'll shut up and be happy now).

Further 302 apartments are to be constructed as part of the Horgans Quay development.
Agreed its still not enough but some progress. The offices location means train travel becomes quite viable for a lot of people from East Cork and Mallow direction. God only knows how those from West cork are meant to get in!