new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Kermit.de.frog · 08-02-2020 10:05AM

You need to make your own minds up on the figures at this point. They are meaningless.

We have a situation now as reported in the NYT where, as I predicted, all suspected cases are being moved in to what are effectively concentration camps in Wuhan. Not even the hospitals they built.

Come to your own conclusions as to the seriousness of the situation. Governments around the world have already.

Panrich · 08-02-2020 10:10AM

You’d imagine that corralling sick people in close proximity to each other will increase the severity of each case as well thereby making the outcome worse for these individuals.

screamer · 08-02-2020 10:17AM

Panrich wrote: »

You’d imagine that corralling sick people in close proximity to each other will increase the severity of each case as well thereby making the outcome worse for these individuals.

Perhaps but it’s been the way of things since time began. Google for pictures of the tb hospitals in Ireland that were here right up to the 80s.
In cases like these, the healthy need to be protected, the sick unfortunately have to take their chances, and better that’s fine away from healthy population. It’s apparent China don’t know what they are dealing with here, and only started trialing hiv meds to treat it in the last day or so, even though reports from other countries are that a combo of anti virals including hiv anti virals have worked well against it.

busymum1 · 08-02-2020 10:17AM

This is the best summary that I've seen so far..It makes for a chilling read though. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/reporters-notebook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu

volchitsa · 08-02-2020 10:21AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Someone who responded to that tweet made a good observation. If we had total number of daily deaths in China now, from any cause, a comparison could be made with daily death totals in other years. I wonder are those kind of statistics available.
Edit. Snap. I see you edited to make similar point

As I pointed out a couple of days ago. Just saying.

volchitsa wrote: »

If that is happening in any numbers, then death rates from pneumonia etc will have spiked. Are they going to refuse to make those available while publishing (official) death rates from this virus? Would be pretty dodgy looking, surely?

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:22AM

Panrich wrote: »

You’d imagine that corralling sick people in close proximity to each other will increase the severity of each case as well thereby making the outcome worse for these individuals.

Yes, they are more concerned about containment. At the current rate of spread it would infect everyone in China in a few months. They are placing exceptional demands on their citizens as a result. It's horrific but I don't know any better ideas.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-02-2020 10:22AM

Panrich wrote: »

You’d imagine that corralling sick people in close proximity to each other will increase the severity of each case as well thereby making the outcome worse for these individuals.

How many of the quarantined (which are now mandatory and forced on anyone with symptoms) in to these camps are coming back out?

It's an horrific situation that has no place in the 21st century. It's incredible that a CCP official can come out and talk about "deserters" if people try resist capture.

Yet that is where China now is.

It's incredible.

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:27AM

Ireland would not pursue a containment strategy so aggressively. If there was a proper outbreak here they would switch to a mitigation strategy. That means that they would focus on treating the most unwell people, as opposed to containing infected people.

screamer · 08-02-2020 10:32AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many of the quarantined (which are now mandatory and forced on anyone with symptoms) in to these camps are coming back out?

It's an horrific situation that has no place in the 21st century. It's incredible that a CCP official can come out and talk about "deserters" if people try resist capture.

Yet that is where China now is.

It's incredible.

In a country where human rights are non existent, nothing is incredible.

08-02-2020 10:32AM

A young Australian girl evacuated from China and in quarantine on Christmas Island has been tested for coronavirus after developing an illness.

But Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says her sickness isn't serious and could be "all sorts of things".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/authorities-call-for-calm-as-child-tested-for-coronavirus-on-christmas-island

Another cause for concern was that some patients who at first appeared mildly or moderately ill then took a turn for the worse several days or even a week into their illness. The median time from their first symptoms to when they became short of breath was five days; to hospitalization, seven days; and to severe breathing trouble, eight days. Experts say that pattern means patients must be carefully monitored, and it is not safe to assume that someone who seems to be doing well early on is out of the woods.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/08/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 10:51AM

China is doing the right thing by quarantining sick people.

It is bizarre that people are criticial of them for doing the right thing.

Why does Boards hate the Chinese so much?

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 10:52AM

screamer wrote: »

In a country where human rights are non existent, nothing is incredible.

Human rights are not non-existent in China. That is a stupid thing to say. I suppose they eat their babies too, right?

Can people stop telling lies about China please?

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 10:53AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Ireland would not pursue a containment strategy so aggressively. If there was a proper outbreak here they would switch to a mitigation strategy. That means that they would focus on treating the most unwell people, as opposed to containing infected people.

And all Irish people would suffer as a result.

Our government is weak in nearly all respects. We should protect our society, both from diseases and from foreign cultures that hate us.

08-02-2020 10:56AM

busymum1 wrote: »

This is the best summary that I've seen so far..It makes for a chilling read though. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/reporters-notebook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu

Great link, thanks, 3 weeks to die and expect a 3-5% death rate.

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:57AM

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

And all Irish people would suffer as a result.

Our government is weak in nearly all respects. We should protect our society, both from diseases and from foreign cultures that hate us.

Let's not derail the thread into thread number nine million and seven about Muslim immigration.

busymum1 · 08-02-2020 10:59AM

5 British infected in France in a ski resort, Contamines Montjoie in Haute Savoie. The index case traveled from Singapore (not picked up on airport screening) and infected the others including a child.. Contact tracing there will be almost impossible.

https://twitter.com/Conflits_FR/status/1226080413661245440

&#55356;&#56811;&#55356;&#56823; FLASH - Le village où la famille a séjourné s'appelle Contamines Montjoie. Ils étaient dans un #chalet isolé dans ce village de Haute Savoie. Un homme, contaminé depuis son voyage à #Singapore, a infecté toute sa famille. #coronavirus #nCoV19

Les 5 patients ont été infectés dans un chalet de Haute Savoie par un &#55356;&#56812;&#55356;&#56807; revenant de #Singapour. Il n'avait pas été détecté à l'aéroport. Les 4 adultes et l'enfant sont hospitalisés à #Lyon, Saint Étienne et #Grenoble. (Le Progrès) #coronavirus #CORONAVIRUSENFRANCE

08-02-2020 11:03AM

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Human rights are not non-existent in China. That is a stupid thing to say. I suppose they eat their babies too, right?

Can people stop telling lies about China please?

It's not really a lie. The fact is that they have suspend-able human/national rights. It's a police state. Their constitution can be suspended for all manner of reasons. Chinese people have rights right up until the government decides that those rights are inconvenient. In most cases, those rights are not infringed upon but that doesn't really matter.

Many posters on boards have very narrow views regarding countries that aren't democracies, and don't conform to their view of how people should be treated. Most of them have never been to China or if they have, they've merely been there as a tourist with very limited experience of the country. They don't really consider the differences (to western nations) in culture and values to be relevant.

China is an evil regime and Anything that goes against that belief will be shot down. So, get used to it. It's really that simple.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 11:04AM

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Human rights are not non-existent in China. That is a stupid thing to say. I suppose they eat their babies too, right?

Can people stop telling lies about China please?

Ireland has gone into full on anti Chinese mode the last week or so, I have picked up on comments from a few quarters that really surprised me and wouldn't be the normal things they would so. I don't plan to join in on this mad rush to jump on this distasteful bandwagon.

I also noticed that nobody wants to discuss the humanitarian situation, the monumential efforts nomal folk on the ground like medical workers are making and just want to spend 95% of the time going over old ground about the communist party, human rights and animal rights. It's as if they are now enjoying the suffering of the innocnet people on the ground do to their strong views of other issues related to China. I was ear shot of one eejit who turned a table full of people worried about the virus into them all listening to his rant on Huawei 5G and how he thinks China wants world domination. Thankfully we had a few who were as gobsmacked as I was and was rolling their eyes when he talked.

There seems to be a disconnect with people when it comes to issues in China to other countires including the previous earthquakes, it brings out a real messed up side in people.

Personally I hope they get on top of it ASAP, there is videos of people in protective suits arriving at homes where a couple of generations of one family are not alive.

babybuilder · 08-02-2020 11:06AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Ireland has gone into full on anti Chinese mode the last week or so, I have picked up on comments from a few quarters that really surprised me and wouldn't be the normal things they would so. I don't plan to joy in on this mad rush to jump on this distasteful bandwagon.

I also noticed that nobody wants to discuss the humanitarian situation, the monumential efforts nomal folk on the ground like medical workers are making and just want to spend 95% of the time going over old ground about the communist party, human rights and animal rights. It's as if they are now enjoying the suffering of the innocnet people on the ground do to their strong views of other issues related to China. I was ear shot of one eejit who turned a table full of people worried about the virus into them all listening to his rant on Huawei 5G and how he thinks China wants world domination. Thankfully we had a few who were as gobsmacked as I was and was rolling their eyes when he talked.

There seems to be a disconnect with people when it comes to issues in China to other countires including the previous earthquakes, it brings out a real messed up side in people.

Personally I hope they get on top of it ASAP, there is videos of people in protective suits arriving at homes where a couple of generations of one family are not alive.

Well said.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 11:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not really a lie. The fact is that they have suspend-able human/national rights. It's a police state. Their constitution can be suspended for all manner of reasons. Chinese people have rights right up until the government decides that those rights are inconvenient. In most cases, those rights are not infringed upon but that doesn't really matter.

Many posters on boards have very narrow views regarding countries that aren't democracies, and don't conform to their view of how people should be treated. Most of them have never been to China or if they have, they've merely been there as a tourist with very limited experience of the country. They don't really consider the differences (to western nations) in culture and values to be relevant.

China is an evil regime and Anything that goes against that belief will be shot down. So, get used to it. It's really that simple.

Nobody is disputing that they have a totalitarian regime but people seem to use this to score points online with a total focus on it and act as if there is no real humans on the ground there trying to do wonderful things to rescure the situation. There is huge self sacrifice going on right now but most don't know because of the overload of virtue signalling racists who have suddenly come out of the closet to overlabour old points and rant about the government in beijing.

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 11:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

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China is an evil regime ....

I'm sick and tired of these type of comments.

China is not evil.

People are idiots in Ireland. Stop believing the hype.

I believe you live in China. Do you tell them all the time that they're evil?

busymum1 · 08-02-2020 11:12AM

"The initial case was reported to us last night, it is a British national returning from Singapore where he had stayed from January 20 to 23," said Agnes Buzyn. He stayed in France from 24 to 28 January in a chalet in Contamines-Montjoie, in Haute-Savoie. In this chalet are two apartments. In the first, three people - including the initial case - were diagnosed positive and four others suffered from minor symptoms. In the second apartment, a father and his child were also infected. The mother, who was not present, was taken into hospital on British soil. "All of the positive cases and contacts of this British national, all of British nationality, were hospitalized last night in three hospitals in Lyon, Saint-Etienne and Grenoble," said Agnès Buzyn.

Sweet Holy Jesus! From Jan 23rd, so many contacts.
Twitter saying UK to ban flights from Singapore but nothing offical.

goat2 · 08-02-2020 11:16AM

Reading Kerrys eye, someone here being tested for the virus, don't know the outcome yet

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 11:20AM

People are also attacking the efforts of China. I have no doubt that at a local level they could maybe have done more sooner but nobody with half a brain could say they are not throwing the kitchen sink at it now, at a national level and to huge economic and personal sacrifice.

The very nature of this virus and the unpalatable steps need to contain it, including isolation and quarintine, would not be done in a western country. There is no poltical will to do that and they would be still be debating huge resistiance from the hard left about what is wrong without being offered any solutions. People would not be disciplined enough to follow curfews and would ignore the authorties. Criminals would exploit the situation and we would see many things like Lidl Tallaght in the Snow again. The local authorities would be going around in vans sticking up the odd big of harris fencing months after the horse has bolted. People need to be honest with themselves about how other places would react in a pandemic including ourselves.

Let's leave the charater assassination of China to a while after this virus is sorted.

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 11:21AM

This is what the doctors and medical staff put up with.

wrote:

The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. ... The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.

Tell me again about how the Chinese are evil.

Boards is sick. Irish people should not be proud of themselves.

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 11:21AM

goat2 wrote: »

Reading Kerrys eye, someone here being tested for the virus, don't know the outcome yet

It should be 8 hour turnaround through the facility in TCD. I would presume there is no case here.

goat2 · 08-02-2020 11:22AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Nobody is disputing that they have a totalitarian regime but people seem to use this to score points online with a total focus on it and act as if there is no real humans on the ground there trying to do wonderful things to rescure the situation. There is huge self sacrifice going on right now but most don't know because of the overload of virtue signalling racists who have suddenly come out of the closet to overlabour old points and rant about the government in beijing.

Take the doctor that just died, if they had listned to him, we would not be worried about this virus, he was told to shut his mouth, when he had advised other doctors to cover up and protect himself, He is now dead, in his early thirties, and healthy, what a pity, those in government think they knew more than that doctor, would not live there for all the gold in the world

cryptocurrency · 08-02-2020 11:24AM

busymum1 wrote: »

"The initial case was reported to us last night, it is a British national returning from Singapore where he had stayed from January 20 to 23," said Agnes Buzyn. He stayed in France from 24 to 28 January in a chalet in Contamines-Montjoie, in Haute-Savoie. In this chalet are two apartments. In the first, three people - including the initial case - were diagnosed positive and four others suffered from minor symptoms. In the second apartment, a father and his child were also infected. The mother, who was not present, was taken into hospital on British soil. "All of the positive cases and contacts of this British national, all of British nationality, were hospitalized last night in three hospitals in Lyon, Saint-Etienne and Grenoble," said Agnès Buzyn.

Sweet Holy Jesus! From Jan 23rd, so many contacts.
Twitter saying UK to ban flights from Singapore but nothing offical.

Was he not suspicious and self isolated?

ghost of ireland past · 08-02-2020 11:24AM

Causing a panic is reckless and dangerous.

Stop assuming that the Chinese are idiots and are evil. Start acting in good faith.

goat2 · 08-02-2020 11:24AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It should be 8 hour turnaround through the facility in TCD. I would presume there is no case here.

I hope it is the case,
according to the news last night, nobody entring the country is being tested for fever like they are doing in other countries,
the sooner we get a good old blast of frost the better for Europe, it kills all germs in the air and surfaces outside

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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