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05-02-2020 07:54PM

gmisk wrote: »

I am watching six one...they are seriously running down MLM....not biased at all!

Quelle surprise. Many within RTE are uncomfortably close to the political establishment, including Miriam O'Callaghan who carefully orchestrated the takedown last night. The Shinners being near top of the polls have rattled the cage, and now must be treated as devious upstarts with aspirations above their station. Don't expect any impartiality from Independent News & Media, the attacks will be relentless until Joe Public gets the tailored message.

05-02-2020 07:55PM

Lackey wrote: »

You are attributing apathy specificly to SF supporters ?

How many mothers have buried sons where there was little to no justice?
How many times have we ‘bemoaned the courts and their soft sentencing
Excuses of ‘drug problems but recovering’, ‘bad backgrounds’ , early release, 100+ previous convictions, out on bail
It’s all bullish!t and everyone knows it won’t change.
You would swear the government and the media are paragons for justice the way theyre talking
They don’t give a sh!te for Paul Quinn’s mother, anymore than they care for any other average Joe who is a victim of crime, that they never comment on.
If they did there’d be a push for proper sentencing in this country.
It’s disengenous
This obvious bullish!t is doing as much for SF as was done for Trump and Brexit.
I’m not a SF/FG/FF etc supporter, just a realist.

you are aware of FG or FF or any other party other than SF with close links to paramilitary/crime organisations that kill people?

to individuals like slab murphy?

that send their elected officials to pick up killers from prison?

do tell, this stuff sounds like dynamite (oops)

Ferm001 · 05-02-2020 07:55PM

Zetor19 wrote: »

There is also the chance the rte bullying of sf backfires on Saturday.

Agree with this. the most outraged people are those who would never vote for SF no matter what.
Going by street interviews today, people want the past left in the past, and are more concerned by the future.

jmayo · 05-02-2020 07:56PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some of us just want rid of FF/FG

For someone that just wants to get rid of FF/FG you have spent an inordinate amount of time of late pushing the SF party line around here.

Also when someone of possibly a sinn fein background speaks of wanting to be rid of people, some people of an older generation might remember how sinn fein's friends in PIRA got "rid" of people.

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 07:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Quelle surprise. Many within RTE are uncomfortably close to the political establishment, including Miriam O'Callaghan who carefully orchestrated the takedown last night. The Shinners being near top of the polls have rattled the cage, and now must be treated as devious upstarts with aspirations above their station. Don't expect any impartiality from Independent News & Media, the attacks will be relentless until Joe Public gets the tailored message.

That’s real tinfoil hat stuff, Bertie. There’s no concerted effort to keep the poor old principled Shinners out. If you have evidence to the contrary, including how Miriam was biased last night then I suggest you put your complaint in writing and post it to:

Broadcasting Authority of Ireland, 2 - 5 Warrington Place, Dublin D02 XP29

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 07:57PM

SF may win 30-40 seats, I don't care much really. Last time I looked this is a democracy.

But despite the failings of the current crop of FF/FG and they are many indeed, I fail to see how SF will improve anything apart from getting rid of the SCC to help their mates. It is a big thing for me. ML was on the ropes about that, why? because SF is ruled by the Army Council who do not like the idea of us banging up their terrorists.

Gangland crims go to the SCC. It is all about potential intimidation of witnessess. Go figure.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 07:58PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Eg, about an hour ago where you said Quinn wasn’t going to a study group when he went to meet his death at the hands of a bunch of psychopaths.

My word. Really.

I was inferring he was a criminal. That's not victim blaming, it's supporting the idea he was a criminal. Should I pretend I don't think he was a criminal? He didn't deserve to be killed.

wot wot.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 08:00PM

jmayo wrote: »

For someone that just wants to get rid of FF/FG you have spent an inordinate amount of time of late pushing the SF party line around here.

Also when someone of possibly a sinn fein background speaks of wanting to be rid of people, some people of an older generation might remember how sinn fein's friends in PIRA got "rid" of people.

Not really. If you lads were kicking up stink about PBP and PBP were leading in the polls, likely nobody would be talking about SF including myself. Who ever looks like getting FF/FG out and has building social housing as a policy, gets my support.

Now you're just talking shi*te. FG just leave them die on a trolley.

flutered · 05-02-2020 08:00PM

Ferm001 wrote: »

Agree with this. the most outraged people are those who would never vote for SF no matter what.
Going by street interviews today, people want the past left in the past, and are more concerned by the future.

the folks stuck in rental hell, the people marching today and other such folk couldnt care less about what happened in another country in the past

flutered · 05-02-2020 08:02PM

jmayo wrote: »

For someone that just wants to get rid of FF/FG you have spent an inordinate amount of time of late pushing the SF party line around here.

Also when someone of possibly a sinn fein background speaks of wanting to be rid of people, some people of an older generation might remember how sinn fein's friends in PIRA got "rid" of people.

buit they do know why the provos came into existance

skinny90 · 05-02-2020 08:03PM

smurgen wrote: »

Two thousand people protesting about childcare in Dublin today. Yet government and RTE fail to acknowledge this.

Not sure what can be done here really. Once you have a System which is completely funded into private hands when it comes to the running of such services it’s very hard to change this. The issues raised from the protest form from crèche:preschool owners taking the funding and providing such services that meats the minimum requirements according to Tusla and other main bodies...if your going to make a business model for private hands to profit directly from the funding received then your going to have such issues ie works getting paid peanuts and temp contracts etc

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 08:11PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The lad was hardly off to study group when he met with these criminals. Anyway it'll fall out of the news cycle and the minds of FF/FG after the weekend.

Your post is actually an insult to genuine SF supporters and sums up why SF find it so difficult to attract ordinary decent people.

elperello · 05-02-2020 08:14PM

flutered wrote: »

the folks stuck in rental hell, the people marching today and other such folk couldnt care less about what happened in another country in the past

What other country?

James Brown · 05-02-2020 08:14PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Your post is actually an insult to genuine SF supporters and sums up why SF find it so difficult to attract ordinary decent people.

How so? If SF changed their housing policy tomorrow they'd lose my vote. When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote.
I'd expect more valid abuse for having voted FG previously or Labour, but hey, it's SF putting the wind up for now.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 08:18PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

How so? If SF changed their housing policy tomorrow they'd lose my vote. When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote.
I'd expect more valid abuse for having voted FG previously or Labour, but hey, it's SF putting the wind up for now.

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

elperello · 05-02-2020 08:18PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

How so? If SF changed their housing policy tomorrow they'd lose my vote. When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote.
I'd expect more valid abuse for having voted FG previously or Labour, but hey, it's SF putting the wind up for now.

People get killed or die every day of the week and it is sad.

In the case of Paul Quinn he was murdered in cold blood.

There is a difference.

Sir Oxman · 05-02-2020 08:21PM

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

car_radio19834 · 05-02-2020 08:27PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

Yeah let's vote in FF who normalise and trivialise suicides instead.

Billcarson · 05-02-2020 08:28PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

maccored · 05-02-2020 08:31PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

Wow - talk about dramatic!

When did they “ normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country ”

Oh sorry - you made that up? Sure why didnt you say so?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 08:31PM

Billcarson wrote: »

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

Yeah, better to keep the bad news buried I guess, just like the bodies of the Disappeared.

car_radio19834 · 05-02-2020 08:32PM

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

Funnily enough, the massive childcare worker strike completely upstaged....

Galwayguy35 · 05-02-2020 08:33PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

14 seats for the Greens, that would be a big jump from 2 at the moment.

Don't think they are that popular.

Galwayguy35 · 05-02-2020 08:34PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

The media didn't just make up the story in fairness, are you saying it shouldn't be reported?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 08:34PM

maccored wrote: »

Wow - talk about dramatic!

When did they “ normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country ”

Oh sorry - you made that up? Sure why didnt you say so?

Read the post I quoted - "When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote."

Obviously that poster finds it all very minor.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 08:35PM

Billcarson wrote: »

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

The quinns have been calling on Conor Murphy to withdraw his remarks and apologise year on year for 13 years and now he makes a half arsed apology this week of all weeks, funny that.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 08:37PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

FYI: I don't speak for SF, did you read what you quoted at all?
And were are you getting normalise or trivialise? You're talking nonsense.

ricero · 05-02-2020 08:39PM

3 days before an election and the murder of Paul Quinn 13 years ago is the top story.

Meanwhile we have an all time trolley number crisis in our hospitals and record homelessness.

My god what a farce this country and its broadcasters are.

maccored · 05-02-2020 08:40PM

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

Read the post I quoted - "When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote."

Obviously that poster finds it all very minor.

In this case he is correct - it shouldnt reflect on the votie for sf and the Quinn family are being cynically used. I didnt see anyone talking about this until it was raised in the media. Just before an election. As i say - cynical and terrible to use such a tragedy as a political football. You should be ashamed

Sir Oxman · 05-02-2020 08:40PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

14 seats for the Greens, that would be a big jump from 2 at the moment.

Don't think they are that popular.

About right for their 8% plus they will be very transfer friendly,
I think he has SF about right, maybe 1 or 2 more

Not too sure about Labour at 8
The top two surely will be somewhere around those figures

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