General Election TV debates

elperello

Matt Barrett wrote: »

How so? If SF changed their housing policy tomorrow they'd lose my vote. When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote.
I'd expect more valid abuse for having voted FG previously or Labour, but hey, it's SF putting the wind up for now.

People get killed or die every day of the week and it is sad.

In the case of Paul Quinn he was murdered in cold blood.

There is a difference.

Sir Oxman

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

car_radio19834

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

Yeah let's vote in FF who normalise and trivialise suicides instead.

Billcarson

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

maccored

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

Wow - talk about dramatic!

When did they “ normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country ”

Oh sorry - you made that up? Sure why didnt you say so?

um7y1h83ge06nx

Billcarson wrote: »

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

Yeah, better to keep the bad news buried I guess, just like the bodies of the Disappeared.

car_radio19834

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

Funnily enough, the massive childcare worker strike completely upstaged....

Galwayguy35

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

14 seats for the Greens, that would be a big jump from 2 at the moment.

Don't think they are that popular.

Galwayguy35

car_radio19834 wrote: »

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

The media didn't just make up the story in fairness, are you saying it shouldn't be reported?

um7y1h83ge06nx

maccored wrote: »

Wow - talk about dramatic!

When did they “ normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country ”

Oh sorry - you made that up? Sure why didnt you say so?

Read the post I quoted - "When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote."

Obviously that poster finds it all very minor.

realdanbreen

Billcarson wrote: »

When was the last time the name Paul Quinn entered your head before this week? Or any others going on and on about it. This week of all weeks. Funny that

The quinns have been calling on Conor Murphy to withdraw his remarks and apologise year on year for 13 years and now he makes a half arsed apology this week of all weeks, funny that.

James Brown

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

In fairness your post is clear evidence why SF are so dangerous. If they have the ability to normalise and trivialise the killing of people in this country they can only ever be a danger.

FYI: I don't speak for SF, did you read what you quoted at all?
And were are you getting normalise or trivialise? You're talking nonsense.

ricero

3 days before an election and the murder of Paul Quinn 13 years ago is the top story.

Meanwhile we have an all time trolley number crisis in our hospitals and record homelessness.

My god what a farce this country and its broadcasters are.

maccored

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

Read the post I quoted - "When people get killed or die it's sad. In this case it has zero bearing on my vote."

Obviously that poster finds it all very minor.

In this case he is correct - it shouldnt reflect on the votie for sf and the Quinn family are being cynically used. I didnt see anyone talking about this until it was raised in the media. Just before an election. As i say - cynical and terrible to use such a tragedy as a political football. You should be ashamed

Sir Oxman

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

14 seats for the Greens, that would be a big jump from 2 at the moment.

Don't think they are that popular.

About right for their 8% plus they will be very transfer friendly,
I think he has SF about right, maybe 1 or 2 more

Not too sure about Labour at 8
The top two surely will be somewhere around those figures

Plumbthedepths

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Harry McGee's final seat prediction in IT today:
Fianna Fáil: 53
Fine Gael: 38
Sinn Féin: 28
Labour Party: 8
Green Party: 14
Social Democrats: 3
Sol-PBP: 2
Others: 14

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/harry-mcgee-s-final-seat-prediction-for-election-2020-1.4139708

FF/SF hit the magic number based on Harry's numbers.

facehugger99

ricero wrote: »

My god what a farce this country and its broadcasters are.

Agreed - SF should be getting hammed all the time by this kind of thing.

They're given a ridiculously soft-ride by the left-leaning RTE.

Lackey

[Deleted User] wrote: »

you are aware of FG or FF or any other party other than SF with close links to paramilitary/crime organisations that kill people?

to individuals like slab murphy?

that send their elected officials to pick up killers from prison?

do tell, this stuff sounds like dynamite (oops)

I’m also not aware of one victim of crime in this country that FF/FG give a real sh!te about
The courts here are a revolving door.
Their stance on this is bullish!t
MM milking the awful murder for all its worth is a joke.
Where’s the sympathy and calls for reform for every other victim in the country?
There’s no point hopping off my post.
It’s just an honest observation, from someone who thinks their ALL the same.

Spanish Eyes

car_radio19834 wrote: »

A week ago, not a boo about SF in the media.

Suddenly the polls show them the most popular, then the media try to put the ****s up everybody.

Just goes to show you how scared they are of SF. Its a good sign. Leo and Mickey must be sweating.

Funnily enough, the massive childcare worker strike completely upstaged....

SF need to be challenged. Run by the Army Council who do not want the SCC or anything to be mentioned about that murdered lad Quinn either. There is much more, but obviously it is only those of us who have lived through the mayhem who care.

The SF target is young, hip, socialist, SJW and so on.

They will never get a house free anyway because they are educated (to their mind), and earn above the AMW.

SF does not support the Help to Buy scheme, because you must be a taxpayer to avail of it.

Honestly.

Spanish Eyes

SF will not feature in the next Gov IMV.

FF and FG will coalesce or do another C+S maybe in the opposite direction.

Who cares? I don't want any erstwhile terrorists in any mix. EVER. Rather deal with others thanks.

But who knows?

Just sick of the double standards of SF. Army Council still runs it probably Gyarry. And Holy Mary is the mouthpiece.

Suckit

tobsey wrote: »

Sinn Féin’s core vote will still vote for them after last night. They accept their position on the SCC and know there are some skeletons in the closet over the troubles. I understand why their supporters accept these things as a fallout from the troubles even though I don’t agree with them

However most of Sinn Féin’s gains this election are from people looking for chance. ML lost loads of them last night but not because of her disastrous answers to the SCC and Paul Quinn questions but because she showed all her promises are impossible to deliver and she has no ability to plan for the future.

She said that demographics would take of themselves on the pensions issue, when ever piece of evidence in the world says otherwise.

She said they would build 100,000 social houses. When asked how they would do it when the construction sector was at capacity she said we have to aim big. So they’ve picked the largest number of houses to put in their manifesto with no plan on how to build them.

The same on the climate change questions. Their investment would be massive, with no details whatsoever.

She also spoke of increasing capacity in the health sector by providing more beds. But wants to have a marginal tax rate of 57% on the consultants and specialists needed to treat the patients.

People are being attracted to the idea of change but there is no point in changing to a party that haven’t a clue what they’d do if they got into power.

Every word of that may be true, but there is also no point in voting for a party that doesn't deliver over and over and over and over again.

It's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
SF are promising to try to do many things, given the chance, they may actually get something done :rolleyes: .

I've witnessed both FF and FG promise things time after time, and not really even trying. So where does that leave the voters?
It leaves the die-hards telling everyone else their chosen parties lies and to vote for them.
Back at square one.

Billcarson

Finnley Ambitious Tux wrote: »

Yeah, better to keep the bad news buried I guess, just like the bodies of the Disappeared.

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

FrancieBrady

1641 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein cover up of the Quinn murder

Have we hit peak hysteria yet?

It's a 'cover up' now despite the IMC, The PSNI and most of Monaghan/South Armagh knowing who it was.

Spanish Eyes

Billcarson wrote: »

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

I agree that it was a scandal.

But at the end of the day it wasn't perpetrated by those with iron bars, bombs, bullets and orders from the Army Council either.

elperello

Billcarson wrote: »

Indeed like the bodies of the 12 women lying dead in their graves due to the cervical cancer scandal .

Very tragic and unforgivable but not at all like.

gormdubhgorm

emo72 wrote: »

ah g'wan outta dat. im no SF fanboy, but the outright hatchet job been done on them this week will win them more votes.

They are open to hatchet jobs because they have not cleaned up the many messes they left behind. Easy to be blind sided when you are looking over your shoulder to the real power behind SF.

emo72

1641 wrote: »

This is no normal "political party".

everyone knows that.
this is an indictment of FF/FG and all the smaller parties. they've been so bad that people are willing to bite their noses off to spite their faces.

SF look palatable because the other parties are poison.

gormdubhgorm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But they want us to think they are Normal.

I am a bit older and NEVER thought they were or ever could be. But my view will be diluted over time.

Still think the Army Council calls the shots. Gerry hasn't gone away. I reckon he is still pushing the buttons and could call in reinforcements if necessary.

ML is a stoogie for the IRA heads. Obvious listening the debate last night. Well for me anyway

Yep she thought she could get away with answering 'I support the courts' to the special criminal court question.

She is a bit better with less experienced interviewers which were prerecorded.

Even so she dodged the question @1:02 very skillfully done.... :rolleyes:

I think Mary Lou needs the 'truth rope' for her own party @4:03

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yep she thought she could get away with answering 'I support the courts' to the special criminal court question.

She is a bit better with less experienced interviewers which were prerecorded.

Even so she dodged the question @1:02 very skillfully done.... :rolleyes:

They're missing one of the best opportunities they've ever been given- they have a rising popularity not based on bombing people, or knee-capping people or laundering drugs or shouting Britts out - just simply because people are fed up with the current choices- they should be bending over backwards to please people- apologising at every opportunity for insensitive comments, showing that they can do what they say they will do-

but no, we get this cautious, contrary, cynical guarded Dublin 6 posh girl, toeing the old style pro-IRA party line- sorry girl, get back to Orwell road and stop pretending you even know what people in Ballyfermot, or Darndale or Jobstown or Crumlin or whoever you pretend to represent, are going through or what they need- because you don't.

Idbatterim

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

SF will not feature in the next Gov IMV.

FF and FG will coalesce or do another C+S maybe in the opposite direction.

Who cares? I don't want any erstwhile terrorists in any mix. EVER. Rather deal with others thanks.

But who knows?

Just sick of the double standards of SF. Army Council still runs it probably Gyarry. And Holy Mary is the mouthpiece.

YEah. It will likely be ffg again. But if things continue like this , will we go a full term again ? And five years of this bs won’t be tolerated. If sf have had such a swing , what’s going to happen after another few years of ffg failure. This is an interesting election, the next one could be truly fascinating!