General Election TV debates

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hang on a minute a 13 year old story it is not just a story a fella was bludgeoned to death with links to SF. With SF protecting the alleged individual.

Yet at the same time people go on about FF causing the crash nobody got killed because of it - but it is OK to mention that because it happened 1 year later in 2008!

What about those who took their own lives due to the crash,the impact it had on People etc.
Are you having a laugh. Comparing the crash to what happened to Paul Quinn .

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's not. It's exactly politicians using victims, however willing, to score points in the run up to an election. Then Taoseacht Bertie Ahern said it was a criminal matter, not related to the IRA.
I agree, if FF/FG were linked.
SF are not a normal party. They didn't leave part of the country to suffer under British/Unionist rule.

But SF are sharing rule with the British and being paid by the British government, yet in the ROI they pretend to be anti-establishment.

You claim FF/FG are using the victims. But it is clear what SF are doing is trying to discredit the victims, belittle them or ignore them. As it is not politically expedient for them to do other wise. That to me is really heartless.
Mary Lou could not even say she supports the special criminal courts the very courts designed to stop the making of 'victims'.

Conor Murphy has said Paul Quinn wasn’t involved in criminality. Yet the SF supporters here continue to insist he was. Which is it?

Nothing justifies being beaten to death in a shed. Barbaric.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Conor Murphy has said Paul Quinn wasn’t involved in criminality. Yet the SF supporters here continue to insist he was. Which is it?

Nothing justifies being beaten to death in a shed. Barbaric.

Sf and their supporters are all barbarians I guess. Guess that makes me a barbarian too. Keep throwing your mud at sinn fein ,desperate times call for desperate measures. Go on sure milk it for all it's worth.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You should ask Bertie Ahern who told us all Quinn was engaged in criminal activity.

I think he was.

By the way your 2% vulture fund ownership claim was FG spin. More like 40% it seems.

Bertie had the grace to withdraw his original statement

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ahern-says-quinn-not-a-criminal-1.992814


A month after Ahern made his original statement and 12 years before Sinn Fein, only under extreme duress and four days before an election, could bring themselves to give a very similarly worded "clarification".

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is what SF supporters are doing indirectly oh the establishment, oh the crash.

Yet on the other hand FF FG can mention murder, and supporters of said murderers. I know which sounds worse as do you obviously!

Dont know what planet your living on but the crash sounds alot worse to me as it does I'm sure to many others.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Its about time the media woke up and starting scrutinising these murderous psychopaths that are associated with SF.

Why did we need to wait until less than a week from polling day fro the tough questions to be asked and the SF political front to be nailed down on this?

What a fcuking dereliction of duty from the so called 5th Estate as these subversives stand poised to try and wrest control of out democratic institutions.

One hopes it's not too late.

Most of the swing to SF is from weak-minded fools, the on-going scandal may be enough to scare some of them back to their 'senses', such that they are.

More of the hysterical scaremongering. Was there another poll somewhere?

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I addressed your comment and added my own. My correcting you was responding.

What that poster didn’t post about Bertie Ahern, which I alluded to above, is the second google result when you search for “Bertie Ahern Paul Quinn”:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ahern-says-quinn-not-a-criminal-1.992814?mode=amp

Berries words are being twisted here and he correctly clarified them one month later in the Dail, it when under pressure of an election 13 years later.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More of the hysterical scaremongering. Was there another poll somewhere?

Very good Francie.

On here 24/7 trying to bat away every anti-SF post.

I hope they're paying you well.

Floating voter my arse - showing yourself up big-time.

Just saw Mary Lou on T.V. Not so cocky now that she's been caught out. No smart arse one liners today

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

If "the suspect" hasn't died then he'd have ended up in the SCC. The reason being that the level of intimidation and thuggery he demonstrated meant that the ordinary courts couldn't work.

But he was SF/IRA through and through and it's Sinn Fein who have being calling for the SCC to be abolished. This is the circle of concern and it's very recent and well after the troubles.

They didn't know he would die when they knocked on the door.

Action was taken...is the point. When it was politically expedient (public outcry...the 'public' FG/FF listen to, in Dub 4 etc, not the border communities) for them to do it.

They ignored it for 8 years, including attacks on Gardai.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So he got the ML treatment but folded. The lad was hardly off to study group when he met with these criminals. Anyway it'll fall out of the news cycle and the minds of FF/FG after the weekend.

Unbelievable.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Its about time the media woke up and starting scrutinising these murderous psychopaths that are associated with SF.

Why did we need to wait until less than a week from polling day for the tough questions to be asked and the SF political front to be nailed down on this?

What a fcuking dereliction of duty from the so called 5th Estate as these subversives stand poised to try and wrest control of out democratic institutions.

One hopes it's not too late.

Most of the swing to SF is from weak-minded, gullible fools, the on-going scandal may be enough to scare some of them back to their 'senses', such that they are.

The only weak minded fools are fg/ ff filth like yourself. There is in many ways a civil war going on n this country. People like you that are happy enough to go along with the fg/ff merry go round. Others like me who want something different.. let the battle commence on Saturday.

Suckit wrote: »

It is painfully obvious.

I think some on the fence may be swayed and some younger voters may not have heard the details being printed today, but for anyone else that had planned on voting SF before last night, it shouldn't change a thing.
They were well aware of SF links etc.
They were and may be still planning on voting for SF for a change, shake up. Sick of the other two. I would hazard a guess that the majority of people planning on voting SF this weekend wouldn't normally be SF voters, it is FFFG that have driven them to this, so really they only have themselves to blame. I would also agree with you that what is written today and tomorrow probably won't change anything for a lot of them.
It's pretty predictable what will happen if FF/FG get in again, there is 100 years of it to look back over in case anybody is unsure.

Sinn Féin’s core vote will still vote for them after last night. They accept their position on the SCC and know there are some skeletons in the closet over the troubles. I understand why their supporters accept these things as a fallout from the troubles even though I don’t agree with them

However most of Sinn Féin’s gains this election are from people looking for chance. ML lost loads of them last night but not because of her disastrous answers to the SCC and Paul Quinn questions but because she showed all her promises are impossible to deliver and she has no ability to plan for the future.

She said that demographics would take of themselves on the pensions issue, when ever piece of evidence in the world says otherwise.

She said they would build 100,000 social houses. When asked how they would do it when the construction sector was at capacity she said we have to aim big. So they’ve picked the largest number of houses to put in their manifesto with no plan on how to build them.

The same on the climate change questions. Their investment would be massive, with no details whatsoever.

She also spoke of increasing capacity in the health sector by providing more beds. But wants to have a marginal tax rate of 57% on the consultants and specialists needed to treat the patients.

People are being attracted to the idea of change but there is no point in changing to a party that haven’t a clue what they’d do if they got into power.