General Election TV debates

The hypocrisy of some SF voters is astonishing. It normally comes with a generous side dish of victimhood as well. They expect such standards from other politicians when their own crew are slithering out from under rocks to give half-arsed statements around ‘regret’ regarding things like the murder of a young man in a shed by 10 ‘good republicans’ armed with iron bars.

Not a normal party.

maccored wrote: »

that Murphy went to see if he could find out what had happened? I hate to mention it but what if he's telling the truth? He even said himself at the time it wasnt the kind of thing to be talking about since a family was suffering - yet here it is 12 years later being dragged out as a political football.

youre basically telling me he would have been better to not bother trying to find out any info for the family at all.

A clip from the same Independent from the time shows that the family also knew he had been involved in criminality. Will any journalist ask the hard questions here...of course they won't, there are cruxifications to be held.

It is the family's belief -- contrary to the claims by Sinn Fein, which are now supported by both governments and the DUP -- that Paul Quinn was not murdered because of his very minor role in criminal activities but because the sons of two of the main figures in the major Provisional IRA crime gang in south Armagh had lost face in the fights.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/loss-of-face-led-to-brutal-ira-killing-26332513.html

As usual, because people exploit these things, the truths get lost in the mudslinging.
And it has ended up exactly where those who exploit victims want them to end...a party, and members, damned if they do address the issue and damned if they don't, the 'have you stopped beating your wife' question.

thequarefellow wrote: »

But they haven't done so. There are countless examples of attractive high rise living all over Europe. I've lived in some. Just f***ing do it! Go abroad, look at good examples of same, with the necessary infrastructure, and do it! But they haven't.
I would argue that people don't necessarily want gardens judging by the amount of neglected gardens that I see everywhere. Kids don't even play in gardens anymore. And social housing should be a case of take it or leave it anyway.

People forget that it’s the local councils that get to decide this. They also forget that up until very recently, SF had the majority vote in Dublin councils.

What did they do? They stopped people building up.

Water John wrote: »

Don't think any one in FG or FF were putting words into Conor Murphy's mouth, which MLMc then denied he said, but then was confronted with the evidence.

This is not exactly how it happened, but it is how certain people are portraying it.

Monday night with Dobson ML stated that CM claimed he did not make the allegation against PQ and that she was going to stay with him on the matter again too make contact with the Quinn family. Last night on the the leaders debate ML said she had spoke with CM and he had accepted responsibility on the matter and apologiesed unreservedly to the Quinn family. It was only then did Miriam jump in with the BBC Spotlight quote, after ML had already changed her position from the night before.

It makes a refreshing change for a politician to clarify a matter and to amend their original opinion as ML did BEFORE they have been supposedly 'caught out'.

maccored wrote: »

what has that to do with SF though, in this election?

That's exactly the thought that comes to my mind. Wtf has it to do with the election? Jesus the anti shinners have milked the sf and the IRA stuff to death at this stage . How many more yrs will they milk it. The same tired ol ****e.

Has no bearing personally speaking on my vote on Saturday. I'm still going to vote sf.

Idbatterim wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head. All these rural motorways, one area where no expense was spared ! And the one badly needed project the m20 between limerick and cork , not delivered. What a surprise!

Sure the m20 between limerick and cork is in the pipeline. Everything can't be done all at once. You just seem like a negative nelly, glass half empty type.
Ireland is in a much better position than both of thier much larger neigbours to the east (USA) and the west (UK).

I assume you would be giving out no matter who is in government, more power to ya. But it is not all doom and gloom the country has near full employment.
It is a peaceful country with no strong extremes in politics in general.

After last night's debate Labour, FF, FG will only want to further distance themselves from SF. It will only be when SF is more honest and open will the 'normal' political parties go into coalition with them. But unfortunately SF are handicapped from doing so by still having to play to the provo vote. As evidenced by Mary Lou's answers last night.

Necro wrote: »

Francie my friend, I like your posts but it just isn't going to happen in this election or in 5 years time.

I can see SF making slow gains and if they stopped with fairies and unicorns and magic money tree stuff, owned up to their past AND stopped their own policies being governed by non elected (and to be clear, I mean by you or me, not SF members) representatives then they might be appealing.

It will take at current growth rate at least 4 terms of government before SF have anything like an arses roar of being in with a chance of being the senior party in a coalition imho. I'm not sure their growth is sustainable to FF or FG levels though.

If they had a full set of candidates running like FF and FG and got 25% of the vote they'd be competing with FF and FG in seat numbers in this election.

Not sure what parallel universe you are living in.

maccored wrote: »

I said that? Cop on and stop digging. I made a reference to the fact a hospital can be built in 10 days and here we are waiting years and years for a really expensive one.

So you are using the Chinese model of building as a benchmark speed, not necessarily quality.

Well done!

Do you know the main reason why China can build a prefab hospital in ten days?
Primarily because it is an authoritarian state.
Now, I guess you don't want Ireland to turn into China do you.
So again, what is your point?

EarlyStorms wrote: »

Very obvious media offensive against SF & Mary Lou today, I don't think it's going to have much impact on what happens this weekend though.

I remember the murder and disappearance of Jean McConville was used against Adams but with MLMcD now in charge the media attention must turn to something more recent and Paul Quinn replaces Jean McConville.
Same old bias from RTE, the names only change.

markodaly wrote: »

So you are using the Chinese model of building as a benchmark speed, not necessarily quality.

Well done!

Do you know the main reason why China can build a prefab hospital in ten days?
Primarily because it is an authoritarian state.
Now, I guess you don't want Ireland to turn into China do you.
So again, what is your point?

Seriously - whats your point? Has it anything to do with the thread? Focus on that, rather than whataboutery

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yes thought that was oddly timed days before an election. You'd know Dinny is out. Noonan must have it in for Varadkar.
They've an article, opinion piece, on ML with a picture of Lyra McKee and reference how she was shot by the 'new IRA'. At least the bias and blarney is multiparty.
You would think we'd nothing to concern ourselves with before they used Paul Quinn's mother.
It's like your house is on fire and you ask the closest fire truck about Paul Quinn, the answer dependent on whether you let them take a go at the flames.

You are claiming Paul Quinn’s mother was used by the opponents of Sinn Fein?

You have that the wrong way round.

Paul Quinn’s mother used Sinn Féin’s opponents to force Sinn Fein to tell the truth after 13 years.

Why have Sinn Fein decided to admit to their deception and apologise 2 days before an election?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Personally I think Noonan is trying to protect the seat of Paschal. It's suggested his seat is in danger.

They've 2 FG candiates running in Dublin Central which I think will hurt him