General Election TV debates

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 05:00PM

It's full on scare tactics now.

Fine Gael's latest meme.

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James Brown · 05-02-2020 05:02PM

I can't wait until the election. If the people win or lose at least we'll hear less crap out of FF/FG and their stooges...until the next Bailey, Farrell, Murphy, state contract etc.

smurgen · 05-02-2020 05:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's full on scare tactics now. Fine Gael's latest meme.

https://www.facebook.com/FineGael/photos/p.10157734951438211/10157734951438211/?type=3&theater

I'm hoping they do this more.it's going to backfire.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 05:02PM

When will the SF supporters on here realise it's time to stop digging! Even poor old Mary Lou has gone to ground over this debacle.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 05:04PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

When will the SF supporters on here realise it's time to stop digging! Even poor old Mary Lou has gone to ground over this debacle.

I don't think many care about the issue on the grand scale of things the country is dealing with, including MM and LV.

maccored · 05-02-2020 05:04PM

1641 wrote: »

Absolutely - In just the same way as the National Socialist Party had no links to the Brownshirts.

So you say sf are linked to the murder? Jaysus - one couldnt make it up

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 05:06PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

When will the SF supporters on here realise it's time to stop digging! Even poor old Mary Lou has gone to ground over this debacle.

She is just after doing an interview on it ffs. Murphy has issued the apology.

SafeSurfer · 05-02-2020 05:16PM

If Murphy has issued the apology that should be the end of it.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 05:19PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

If Murphy has issued the apology that should be the end of it.

The sad thing is that because it has been turned into a political football, by people with agenda's other than the welfare of the victims, the truth of it just gets murkier and murkier.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 05:21PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The sad thing is that because it has been turned into a political football, by people with agenda's other than the welfare of the victims, the truth of it just gets murkier and murkier.

Like Jonathan Corrie who SF constantly bring up for political football?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 05:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Like Jonathan Corrie who SF constantly bring up for political football?

I will give you a few minutes to produce ... 3 examples of them using his name in this election campaign. If they 'constantly' use him then it should be easy to produce links.

Your time starts now......1...2....3....

James Brown · 05-02-2020 05:29PM

TBF, Jonathan Corrie and Paul Quinn are completely different issues, what ever their merit in being raised politically.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 05:34PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

TBF, Jonathan Corrie and Paul Quinn are completely different issues, what ever their merit in being raised politically.

Of course they are.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 05:35PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

If Murphy has issued the apology that should be the end of it.

He's talking to Tommy Orman on drive time now. He's actually making a bigger bollocking of it THAN ML did!

Richard tea · 05-02-2020 05:36PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

When will the SF supporters on here realise it's time to stop digging! Even poor old Mary Lou has gone to ground over this debacle.

Nobody cares. Its a 13 year old story brought up in order to sling mud at SF. An undesirable got mixed in with other undesirables and it led to an undesirable situation.

Also didnt the media at the time mention the victim was involved in criminality?

KrustyUCC · 05-02-2020 05:40PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

He's talking to Tommy Orman on drive time now. He's actually making a bigger bollocking of it THAN ML did!

Yup refused to answer where he got the information from

Not a good explanation on the change from Dobbo interview to the debate last night from Mary Lou

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 05:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF have an almost 40 year conflict/war in their recent history...where have you been?
Of course they are not a 'normal party' in the sense the modern FG or FF party are. But they too once emerged from a decade or more of bitter and violent struggle.

Well at least you acknowledge it happened that is a start.
What yourself and Matt Barrett are prone to do is pick the nice bits from SF's history and then claim anything else is a political game or points scoring.

Most SF reps just are incapable of being honest due to 'the almost 40 year war' as you put it. That really damages thier credibility. The younger voters may not see how disingenuous this is. But the older voters can as it was more real to them.
Even 12 years ago is a long time ago when you are in your 30's.
As the saying goes oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 05:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The sad thing is that because it has been turned into a political football, by people with agenda's other than the welfare of the victims, the truth of it just gets murkier and murkier.

It is a real irony that you use the word murky. If there is any word that sums up SF it is the word murky. Other parties do not have the blessing and curse of that veneer.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 05:54PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Well at least you acknowledge it happened that is a start.
What yourself and Matt Barrett are prone to do is pick the nice bits from SF's history and then claim anything else is a political game or points scoring.

Most SF reps just are incapable of being honest due to 'the almost 40 year war' as you put it. That really damages thier credibility. The younger voters may not see how disingenuous this is. But the older voters can as it was more real to them.
Even 12 years ago is a long time ago when you are in your 30's.
As the saying goes oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

That's lies. Link?
I never raised any issues about SF/ML outside of the election unless responding directly on something.
SF have a dodgy past and dodgy candidates with a criminal history and ties to former IRA. Never would deny it or sugar coat it.
As regards the 2020 election, SF are our best hope IMO. I'd rather the SD's, but I'll back SF too.
FF/FG are running scared and using genuine victims to score points. So be it. I don't think many are going to be swayed.
FF/FG will be damaged this time around.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 05:55PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Nobody cares. Its a 13 year old story brought up in order to sling mud at SF. An undesirable got mixed in with other undesirables and it led to an undesirable situation.

Also didnt the media at the time mention the victim was involved in criminality?

Hang on a minute a 13 year old story it is not just a story a fella was bludgeoned to death with links to SF. With SF protecting the alleged individual.

Yet at the same time people go on about FF causing the crash nobody got killed because of it - but it is OK to mention that because it happened 1 year later in 2008!

JupiterKid · 05-02-2020 05:58PM

I don't think that anyone can disagree that Mary Lou was pretty disappointing in the debate last night.

She got off to an okay start in the debate, but was shockingly poor when questioned about the Special Criminal Court - I would have thought she would have been well prepared for that question - and she blew it. Mary Lou was also very vague on how Sinn Fein's very ambitious social housing programme manifesto would be funded in a sustainable and equitable manner.

Her performance last night will definitely cost them votes on Saturday, particularly with the undecideds and those thinking of voting for the Shinners for the first time ever.

Micheal Martin came out the best of the three. Leo V was wooden, detached, awkward and smug as always. But none of the three really stood out.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 05:59PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hang on a minute a 13 year old story it is not just a story a fella was bludgeoned to death with links to SF. With SF protecting the alleged individual.

Yet at the same time people go on about FF causing the crash nobody got killed because of it - but it is OK to mention that because it happened 1 year later in 2008!

Now that's a story. He was engaged in activities with criminals and got killed. There endeth the facts.

is_that_so · 05-02-2020 06:00PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Nobody cares. Its a 13 year old story brought up in order to sling mud at SF. An undesirable got mixed in with other undesirables and it led to an undesirable situation.

Also didnt the media at the time mention the victim was involved in criminality?

The current story is about the comments by a SF MLA and a party leader denying on TV that he had said it until the quote was found.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 06:01PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's lies. Link?
I never raised any issues about SF/ML outside of the election unless responding directly on something.
SF have a dodgy past and dodgy candidates with a criminal history and ties to former IRA. Never would deny it or sugar coat it.
As regards the 2020 election, SF are our best hope IMO. I'd rather the SD's, but I'll back SF too.
FF/FG are running scared and using genuine victims to score points. So be it. I don't think many are going to be swayed.
FF/FG will be damaged this time around.

I must have being mixing you up with the Matt Barrett poster so apologies.
It is not just a tactic to look for answers about SF/IRA murders in the recent past. It is politicians doing thier job shining a light on the make up of the party and helping to look for answers for the victims. I do not see anything wrong with that.
If FF/FG were linked with murders that were never solved you can be damn sure I would want to know what the craic was.

SF try to pretend to be a normal party but do not want to face up to thier abnormalities.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 06:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I will give you a few minutes to produce ... 3 examples of them using his name in this election campaign. If they 'constantly' use him then it should be easy to produce links.

Your time starts now......1...2....3....

Hold on now, I never mentioned this campaign?

Does it matter when it was used?

Does that make it any less of political point scoring?

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 06:04PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Nobody cares. Its a 13 year old story brought up in order to sling mud at SF. An undesirable got mixed in with other undesirables and it led to an undesirable situation.

Also didnt the media at the time mention the victim was involved in criminality?

Have you a link to his criminality?

tobsey · 05-02-2020 06:04PM

smurgen wrote: »

Don't really care to be honest and to be fair Bertie Ahearn more or less said the same thing about the lad but I didn't see MM being asked about it last night. But anyway keep up the IRA SF drum because I tell you what. The tactic is going for backfire spectacularly.
The average Joe cares about their bottom line and FG is refusing to address it. Two thousand people protesting about childcare in Dublin today. Yet government and RTE fail to acknowledge this.

Bertie Ahern did not say the same thing. He initially said the killing was related to criminal activity, not terrorist activity. He clarified in the Dail one month later that he meant the criminals were the perpetrators of the crime, not Paul Quinn. It took 14 years and a car crash from SF’s leader in a tv debate for them to do the same thing.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 06:06PM

Those of a slightly more mature vintage would have known all about SF antics and would know who exactly runs SF and it's not ML. Some of that cohort were minded to give SF a scratch this time around, and it is they who will have watched the debate and have it confirmed they were correct all along. They haven't gone away you know.

On the other hand, the let's say under 30s, the Uni students, the hip activists following the O'Broin types won't really care about all that, because they don't want their dream of a Socialist, right on Utopia to be shattered. And many of them probably won't bother voting anyway.

Let's see what happens. As much as I dislike SF for speaking out of both sides of their mouths and with an elephant's trunk worth of dodgy baggage, they fought a good campaign. The tide was in their favour, will be interesting to see if it translates into bums on seats.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 06:09PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I must have being mixing you up with the Matt Barrett poster so apologies.
It is not just a tactic to look for answers about SF/IRA murders in the recent past. It is politicians doing thier job shining a light on the make up of the party and helping to look for answers for the victims. I do not see anything wrong with that.
If FF/FG were linked with murders that were never solved you can be damn sure I would want to know what the craic was.

SF try to pretend to be a normal party but do not want to face up to thier abnormalities.

It's not. It's exactly politicians using victims, however willing, to score points in the run up to an election. Then Taoseacht Bertie Ahern said it was a criminal matter, not related to the IRA.
I agree, if FF/FG were linked.
SF are not a normal party. They didn't leave part of the country to suffer under British/Unionist rule. Neither side come out great in conflict. Or maybe the Troubles were no more than Haughey buying tailored shirts to some.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 06:10PM

I'm loving these allegations of criminality against Paul Quinn by the SF party loyal here without any credible evidence.

They are the first ones to ask for evidence about Gerry been on the ra.

Talk about mud slinging.

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