General Election TV debates

markodaly · 05-02-2020 08:21AM

MLMD properly found out tonight.

SF rode the anti-establishment wave, hoping they wont be called out on their bull.
Tonight we had some comdey classics such as:

"Mansplaining"
"The demographs will look after themselves"
"I.SUPPORT.THE.COURTS"
"Massive investment"
"Socialists against property tax"
"No to carbon tax, but we are really Green!"

To top it off, caught lying about Paul Quinlan in her Dobbo interview.

Car crash stuff, especially her dithering about the SCC and Paul Quinlan.
As the saying goes, you cannot polish a turd.

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 08:24AM

Car crash for SF.

Hopefully that will wake up the electorate from what they are in danger of sleepwalking into.

Hard to know though, the stupidity of the electorate can never be underestimated.

Will be interesting to see the next poll when that 'performance' has sunk in.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 08:35AM

Missed the first 30 mins

Varadker - best performer, facts and figures a few good lines. But think it's too late as people have made up their mind. I like the facts and figures but they might annoy people as showing a lack of emotion

Martin - his best so far, but I think his performance has been so so below the previous election where he really impressed me. Maybe the pressure is gettin to him

McDonald - great at blaming the other two and as the voice of "the others" and my wife liked her hand movements. But no facts or figures with mostly anecdotes and bluster. Caught lying / omitting in two separate interviews, no explanation for buzzwords "massive" and the mansplain comment........ffs.

All in all people have their position from before and it's unlikely to change after this.

Billcarson · 05-02-2020 08:43AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know though, the stupidity of the electorate can never be underestimated.

Indeed, sure they keep voting for either FG or ff. Sinn fein for me. Cant wait for Saturday to cast my vote.

McMurphy · 05-02-2020 08:44AM

Is there a leadership coup stirring within FG?

I see the Indo are running with a headline hinting at one.

Mantis Toboggan · 05-02-2020 08:44AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Car crash for SF.

Hopefully that will wake up the electorate from what they are in danger of sleepwalking into.

Hard to know though, the stupidity of the electorate can never be underestimated.

Will be interesting to see the next poll when that 'performance' has sunk in.

Stupidly of the electorate?

Ah yes let's bring back the same parties that created massive homelessness, a third world health system, most expensive hospital in the world with private practice, NBP a joke, spent millions on a printer FFS, yes stupid indeed.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 08:46AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Car crash for SF.

Hopefully that will wake up the electorate from what they are in danger of sleepwalking into.

Hard to know though, the stupidity of the electorate can never be underestimated.

Will be interesting to see the next poll when that 'performance' has sunk in.

Typical arrogance there FH, if they don't vote the way i want, they are stupid,

You and Charlie Flanagan should get along like a house on fire.

Edgware · 05-02-2020 08:47AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Missed the first 30 mins

Varadker - best performer, facts and figures a few good lines. But think it's too late as people have made up their mind. I like the facts and figures but they might annoy people as showing a lack of emotion

Martin - his best so far, but I think his performance has been so so below the previous election where he really impressed me. Maybe the pressure is gettin to him

McDonald - great at blaming the other two and as the voice of "the others" and my wife liked her hand movements. But no facts or figures with mostly anecdotes and bluster. Caught lying / omitting in two separate interviews, no explanation for buzzwords "massive" and the mansplain comment........ffs.

All in all people have their position from before and it's unlikely to change after this.

The undecided wouldn't rush to S F on this performance. They all are shown signs of stress after four weeks of pressure.
If I hear another politician say "We need" the telly is going out the window

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 08:49AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical arrogance there FH, if they don't vote the way i want, they are stupid,

You and Charlie Flanagan should get along like a house on fire.

Sure isn't that was Mary Lou says when she calls MM and LV tweedle Dee and Dum.

Basically saying if you vote for them you're stupid.

That's pretty much politics ffs.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 08:49AM

When journalists go along with the lie...when they cannot, with the resources they have, fact check properly, then your systems are in trouble.

Leo threw this into the debate yesterday knowing full well what he was doing. And probably knowing there would be those in the media who would back him up long enough for it not to matter if it was true or not.

https://twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1224839823590072321

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 08:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When journalists go along with the lie...when they cannot, with the resources they have, fact check properly, then your systems are in trouble.

Leo threw this into the debate yesterday knowing full well what he was doing. And probably knowing there would be those in the media who would back him up long enough for it not to matter if it was true or not.

https://twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1224839823590072321

Same goes when parties say FG aren't building social housing.

Lies and they are happy to blatantly say it live on air.

smurgen · 05-02-2020 08:52AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When journalists go along with the lie...when they cannot, with the resources they have, fact check properly, then your systems are in trouble.

Leo threw this into the debate yesterday knowing full well what he was doing. And probably knowing there would be those in the media who would back him up long enough for it not to matter if it was true or not.

https://twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1224839823590072321

The journal debunked it. But sure Leo has gone to trump levels of lying as of late.

NIMAN · 05-02-2020 08:53AM

For those who think MLMD performance last night has really hurt SF, id say it won't have much.

SF voters will still vote sf.
Many of their new converts still want a change from the old guard, and won't be swayed, especially if they are in the echo chambers online which are saying Mary Lou did great and won the debate.

For those who are questioning intelligence levels of electorate, I remind you not to forget Trump and BREXIT, which everyone said couldn't happen

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 08:55AM

smurgen wrote: »

The journal debunked it. But sure Leo has gone to trump levels of lying as of late.

Some debunk it, others back it up. There is no global definition of homelessness.

Journal debunks, Belfast telegraph says it is
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/20000-northern-ireland-households-are-now-homeless-37719853.html

Hannibal_Smith · 05-02-2020 08:56AM

Wow, I was clearly watching something else. I thought Mary Lou came off well. With the exception of the mansplaining comment. I winced at that.

No, she didnt go into detail. SF never really do.

But it was the same from the other two, you did nothing for 9 years - we were cleaning up after you back and forth.

At the end of the day FG and FF have made a mess of things. And the only thing they united on last night was bashing Mary Lou.

Bringing up the dissolving of power sharing was a low blow from MM and Varadkar bringing up the health and homelessness in the north. For all the time he spent negotiating Brexit, he still doesnt seem familiar with politics in the North :pac:

LV pulling out the debating big guns, but its just throwing figures down a rabbit hole. Where is the money coming from.

The laughable thing is hearing MM and Leo relaying stories they've heard on the campaign trail. Have they had earplugs in the last 10 years? Why are these stories only resonating with them now?

The scarey thing is the way the LPT question was put to Mary Lou by Miriam. Its like we've accepted LPT is here to stay. My understanding was it was only going to be in temporarily until we paid back the EU?

Same as the USC. But looks like thats just going to be fiddled with and not removed?

I cant vote FF and I cant vote FG. Im left wondering, like a lot of people, should I vote SF? Maybe thats why Mary Lou didnt deter me last night. Im holding on to the straw that maybe they might be ok and could they do any worse than the other two?

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 08:58AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Stupidly of the electorate?

Ah yes let's bring back the same parties that created massive homelessness, a third world health system, most expensive hospital in the world with private practice, NBP a joke, spent millions on a printer FFS, yes stupid indeed.

Should we bring back the parties that brought us from a €19bn deficit 7 years ago to a budget surplus or a bunch of populist morons with links to terrorists.

Give me a minute to think about that one.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 08:59AM

smurgen wrote: »

The journal debunked it. But sure Leo has gone to trump levels of lying as of late.

He said 20,000 people.

The households on the waiting list is 20,000.

People are mixing these up.

smurgen · 05-02-2020 08:59AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Some debunk it, others back it up. There is no global definition of homelessness.

Journal debunks, Belfast telegraph says it is
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/20000-northern-ireland-households-are-now-homeless-37719853.html

And if we used the NI definition of homelessness apparently our figure would be 45k.

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:00AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

He said 20,000 people.

The households on the waiting list is 20,000.

People are mixing these up.

They're not homeless. Our figure would be 45k if that was the metric.

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 09:00AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical arrogance there FH, if they don't vote the way i want, they are stupid,

You and Charlie Flanagan should get along like a house on fire.

Lol - Still laughing at you calling it "a draw".

If ever a clearer sign was needed that MLM had her arse handed to her.

05-02-2020 09:02AM

I sat down to watch last night with an open mind and I’m still part of the undecided 17% after it.

Couple of things -

What does the “nobody pays usc on their first 30,000” equate to in real money? Remember this was a temporary tax.

Also when MLM was going on about rent freezes she mentioned tax credits. Her plan wasn’t expanded on so I’m none the wiser if it’s in the form of a tax credit, a freeze or both.

On a human level. I really hope MLM got a good nights sleep last night. She looks tired and like someone said earlier in the thread, I thought she was going to cry too. Why oh why didn’t her team prep her on what was actually said about Paul Quinn? She looked very bad talking about it.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 09:03AM

smurgen wrote: »

They're not homeless. Our figure would be 45k if that was the metric.

I know and he wasn't saying they were.

If he was then 20,000 househilds would be around 80,000 people.

He said 20,000 people not households.

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:03AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Should we bring back the parties that brought us from a €19bn deficit 7 years ago to a budget surplus or a bunch of populist morons with links to terrorists.

Give me a minute to think about that one.

That's currently year expenditure.overall government debt has risen while we've not invested in infrastructure.they've effectively got nothing to show our time of longest growth.i shudder to think what FG would do at an economy retracting rather than expanding.

facehugger99 · 05-02-2020 09:04AM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Same as the USC. But looks like thats just going to be fiddled with and not removed?

I cant vote FF and I cant vote FG. Im left wondering, like a lot of people, should I vote SF? Maybe thats why Mary Lou didnt deter me last night. Im holding on to the straw that maybe they might be ok and could they do any worse than the other two?

You want lower taxes on work-income but you're going to vote SF?

Good luck with that strategy.

You do realise that they are promising to ramp up the dole, pension spending, social housing spending, everything spending basically - where do you think they are going to come looking for the money for that?

smurgen · 05-02-2020 09:04AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I know and he wasn't saying they were.

If he was then 20,000 househilds would be around 80,000 people.

He said 20,000 people not households.

Jesus you're waffling as bad as him.look up the party line and stick to it please.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 09:05AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I sat down to watch last night with an open mind and I’m still part of the undecided 17% after it.

Couple of things -

What does the “nobody pays usc on their first 30,000” equate to in real money? Remember this was a temporary tax.

Also when MLM was going on about rent freezes she mentioned tax credits. Her plan wasn’t expanded on so I’m none the wiser if it’s in the form of a tax credit, a freeze or both.

On a human level. I really hope MLM got a good nights sleep last night. She looks tired and like someone said earlier in the thread, I thought she was going to cry too. Why oh why didn’t her team prep her on what was actually said about Paul Quinn? She looked very bad talking about it.

SF figures , it will cost 1.2 billion

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 09:08AM

smurgen wrote: »

Jesus you're waffling as bad as him.look up the party line and stick to it please.

I think there is 6,000 listed as homeless in NI.

Just looked it up.

Proof that noone really can ever solve it.

As every country has homeless.

SF claim they can solve it though. Kind of looks a silly claim now.

Hannibal_Smith · 05-02-2020 09:10AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

You want lower taxes on work-income but you're going to vote SF?

Good luck with that strategy.

You do realise that they are promising to ramp up the dole, pension spending, social housing spending, everything spending basically - where do you think they are going to come looking for the money for that?

But the USC isnt supposed to be a crutch for the economy. Thats my point. It was supposed to be gone in2015 wasit not?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 09:11AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lol - Still laughing at you calling it "a draw".

If ever a clearer sign was needed that MLM had her arse handed to her.

I was in with that opinion ten minutes before the neutral observer on RTE's panel gave the debate to Mary Lou on her own.

You no doubt are laughing at her too.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 09:12AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

Don't think you're doing SF any favours by listing names of the various victims. I mean while you're at it you could name Robert McCartney knifed to death in front of a pub full of supporters who saw nothing!

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