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General Election TV debates

Muahahaha

Deserving of its own thread I feel, especially with FF and FG being neck and neck.
Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar about to debate now on TV3, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Likely to be a score draw but if Varadkar wobbles at any point it could send the campaign south pretty quick. TV3 reporting that they have a genuine hatred for each other so they'll have to keep emotions in check.

RTE will also be holding a Martin-Varadkar debate as well as one for all the party leaders together.

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facehugger99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical arrogance there FH, if they don't vote the way i want, they are stupid,

You and Charlie Flanagan should get along like a house on fire.

Lol - Still laughing at you calling it "a draw".

If ever a clearer sign was needed that MLM had her arse handed to her.

[Deleted User]

I sat down to watch last night with an open mind and I’m still part of the undecided 17% after it.

Couple of things -

What does the “nobody pays usc on their first 30,000” equate to in real money? Remember this was a temporary tax.

Also when MLM was going on about rent freezes she mentioned tax credits. Her plan wasn’t expanded on so I’m none the wiser if it’s in the form of a tax credit, a freeze or both.

On a human level. I really hope MLM got a good nights sleep last night. She looks tired and like someone said earlier in the thread, I thought she was going to cry too. Why oh why didn’t her team prep her on what was actually said about Paul Quinn? She looked very bad talking about it.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

They're not homeless. Our figure would be 45k if that was the metric.

I know and he wasn't saying they were.

If he was then 20,000 househilds would be around 80,000 people.

He said 20,000 people not households.

smurgen

facehugger99 wrote: »

Should we bring back the parties that brought us from a €19bn deficit 7 years ago to a budget surplus or a bunch of populist morons with links to terrorists.

Give me a minute to think about that one.

That's currently year expenditure.overall government debt has risen while we've not invested in infrastructure.they've effectively got nothing to show our time of longest growth.i shudder to think what FG would do at an economy retracting rather than expanding.

facehugger99

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Same as the USC. But looks like thats just going to be fiddled with and not removed?

I cant vote FF and I cant vote FG. Im left wondering, like a lot of people, should I vote SF? Maybe thats why Mary Lou didnt deter me last night. Im holding on to the straw that maybe they might be ok and could they do any worse than the other two?

You want lower taxes on work-income but you're going to vote SF?

Good luck with that strategy.

You do realise that they are promising to ramp up the dole, pension spending, social housing spending, everything spending basically - where do you think they are going to come looking for the money for that?

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I know and he wasn't saying they were.

If he was then 20,000 househilds would be around 80,000 people.

He said 20,000 people not households.

Jesus you're waffling as bad as him.look up the party line and stick to it please.

ThunbergsAreGo

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I sat down to watch last night with an open mind and I’m still part of the undecided 17% after it.

Couple of things -

What does the “nobody pays usc on their first 30,000” equate to in real money? Remember this was a temporary tax.

Also when MLM was going on about rent freezes she mentioned tax credits. Her plan wasn’t expanded on so I’m none the wiser if it’s in the form of a tax credit, a freeze or both.

On a human level. I really hope MLM got a good nights sleep last night. She looks tired and like someone said earlier in the thread, I thought she was going to cry too. Why oh why didn’t her team prep her on what was actually said about Paul Quinn? She looked very bad talking about it.

SF figures , it will cost 1.2 billion

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Jesus you're waffling as bad as him.look up the party line and stick to it please.

I think there is 6,000 listed as homeless in NI.

Just looked it up.

Proof that noone really can ever solve it.

As every country has homeless.

SF claim they can solve it though. Kind of looks a silly claim now.

Hannibal_Smith

facehugger99 wrote: »

You want lower taxes on work-income but you're going to vote SF?

Good luck with that strategy.

You do realise that they are promising to ramp up the dole, pension spending, social housing spending, everything spending basically - where do you think they are going to come looking for the money for that?

But the USC isnt supposed to be a crutch for the economy. Thats my point. It was supposed to be gone in2015 wasit not?

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lol - Still laughing at you calling it "a draw".

If ever a clearer sign was needed that MLM had her arse handed to her.

I was in with that opinion ten minutes before the neutral observer on RTE's panel gave the debate to Mary Lou on her own.

You no doubt are laughing at her too.

realdanbreen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

Don't think you're doing SF any favours by listing names of the various victims. I mean while you're at it you could name Robert McCartney knifed to death in front of a pub full of supporters who saw nothing!

[Deleted User]

Calhoun wrote: »

It got fairly dicey at some points the anger in the room, FG if it wants to stay in power has to get across that it hears the anger from the public. It has to say it has listened and understood and i don't think that message is getting out.

Nail on head.

The reason FG are behind in the polls is their inability to empathize with the electorate. No good telling me to get a loan or gift from my parents for a deposit because they haven't a cent between them. On paper I'm well paid and so, not eligible for the help to buy scheme. In reality, after rent and bills I've a lean couple of weeks ahead of me until payday when the cycle can begin again.

FG need to tell me what they are going to do for me. Its very easy for SF to make promises. They've got no track record in power, they might renege on them or they might follow through.

FG:"The USC is a temporary tax".
FG:"we can't afford to disband the USC. Its staying"

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I think there is 6,000 listed as homeless in NI.

Just looked it up.

Proof that noone really can ever solve it.

As every country has homeless.

SF claim they can solve it though. Kind of looks a silly claim now.

If you're happy with the leader of the current government lying live on TV to deflect against his failure as leader that's fine by me.i just won't be supporting it come Saturday.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

If you're happy with the leader of the current government lying live on TV to deflect against his failure as leader that's fine by me.i just won't be supporting it come Saturday.

But you'll support Mary Lou who was blatantly caught lying on live TV last night!!

Some double standards there.

[Deleted User]

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF figures , it will cost 1.2 billion

Just done a quick calculation. If you earn over 30,000 that will be 656 back in your pocket.

What I haven’t seen though is what the rate will be after that 30,000. It’s currently 4.5% up to income of 70,000.

realdanbreen

McMurphy wrote: »

Is there a leadership coup stirring within FG?

I see the Indo are running with a headline hinting at one.

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But you'll support Mary Lou who was blatantly caught lying on live TV last night!!

Some double standards there.

Never mind having pops at somebody you won't vote for anyway. What do you think of your leader being caught lying about an important issue.

FrancieBrady

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

I thought this would be Mary Lou's last chance and she be gone had SF numbers gone down again,

Where do you see signs of a split?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never mind having pops at somebody you won't vote for anyway. What do you think of your leader being caught lying about an important issue.

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Billcarson

Rte radio, 4 random people from balbriggan asked about last nights debate and who they are voting for, 2 for sf,1 fg,1 for an independent.

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Ancient history is not 13 years ago
That's an incredibly insensitive comment
MLM did not take that attitude because it wouldn't fly
She would have been rounded on even more and rightly so

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Theres no answer in the above
It does contain two stand out words though 'what' and 'about'

The IRA were shown last night to still be Sinn Feins Achille's heel

The 'IRA' were not involved in Paul Quinn's murder as an organisation. FACT, no whatabout's. The independent international agency tasked to monitor such things The IMC, said so clearly at the time. They said, some of those involved were members of the IRA but it had no sanction at an organisational level. They also said that it was a local dispute about smuggling.

McMurphy

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not sure about FG but I would say their definitely is one stirring in SF!

Of course there will, because party's usually switch leaders when they're surging in the polls.

SafeSurfer

smurgen wrote: »

They shouldn't have been brought up and if ancient history was to be dragged up then surely the RIC celebrations defended by FG should have been given equal weight?

Were you expecting the mother of an RIC man beaten to death by the IRA to ring in looking for an apology for a Sinn Fein minister calling him a criminal?

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ancient history is not 13 years ago
That's an incredibly insensitive comment
MLM did not take that attitude because it wouldn't fly
She would have been rounded on even more and rightly so

It's incredible insensitive to feign outstrage at certain victims and not others. Seems like FG can celebrate certain murderers as long as the victim is ordinary Irish folk.

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

It's incredible insensitive to feign outstrage at certain victims and not others. Seems like FG can celebrate certain murderers as long as the victim is ordinary Irish folk.

This is the own goal they have been scoring all along. Everybody knew and many here, including myself, predicted they would find a victim 'du jour' this week. And they did. If it wasn't Paul Quinn to be exploited it would have been somebody else off the list.

Sure the faux outrage will change a few minds, but they don't realise that it will change fewer and fewer and many will actually see it for what it is.

ThunbergsAreGo

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just done a quick calculation. If you earn over 30,000 that will be 656 back in your pocket.

What I haven’t seen though is what the rate will be after that 30,000. It’s currently 4.5% up to income of 70,000.

Unchanged, as far as i know

Billcarson

IRA this and IRA that and what about this and what about that and blah blah blah blah blah. **** the ira.

Whataboutery when it suits. Any attempt to bring sf through the mud As if fg dont have blood on their hands for example the cervical cancer scandal.

Necro

FrancieBrady wrote:

This is the own goal they have been scoring all along. Everybody knew and many here, including myself, predicted they would find a victim 'du jour' this week. And they did. If it wasn't Paul Quinn to be exploited it would have been somebody else off the list.

Francie you seem incredibly rattled today, no smilies or anything in your posts.

I mean can you just admit that Mary Lou's stumble over the SCC and Paul Quinn were gaffes instead of moving the goalposts everytime someone brings it up