new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

mikhail · 02-02-2020 03:31PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

Can anyone point me to the hysterical thread about this virus? 180,000 hospitalised and 10,000 dead in the US this season alone.

Consider these numbers from the article:

There's another virus that has infected 19 million Americans across the country and killed at least 10,000 people this season alone.

That's about 0.05% of infected people die. If the Wuhan virus was allowed to spread to the same degree and maintained its estimated mortality rate, 800,000 of those 19 million people would die. So they try to put a lid on it now, while they still can.

Think of it another way: A certain number of people die every year from slipping in the bathroom. If you look at that number in a large enough population, and it'll look substantial. It's still a pretty low risk, unless you're very frail.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 03:33PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Thanks for summarising the complete and utter stupidity of the majority of your posts, in one tidy reply. Working in a medical related field my arse.

The relevant numbers are, around 345 cures out of 14000 infected in China.

That’s it, when presented with reality throw out insults.

creditcarder · 02-02-2020 03:36PM

kaymin wrote: »

The fact that China has run out of medical supplies and is seeking help from Europe indicates the problem is far far greater than 15k cases

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-coronavirus-desperate-beijing-seeks-eu-help-shortage-medical-supplies-worsens-38685

Or Xi is getting backstabbed

givyjoe · 02-02-2020 03:37PM

Cody montana wrote: »

That’s it, when presented with reality throw out insults.

I'm not insulting you, I'm commenting on your posts. Attack the post and all that. You were asked for relevant stats and you couldn't give any. You havent backed up anything you have said, you're clearly just posting opinions and guesses, unfortunately ignorant ones at that.

You said you worked in a related field as if to give credibility to your posts, you haven't even clarified what that is.

The reality is only 340 or so have recovered out of 14000 infected. 7 billion aren't affected, yet, so to even quite that number as evidence this isn't something to worry about, is utterly ridiculous.

02-02-2020 03:44PM

If you had a very serious auto-immune disorder, and your friend was back from next to Wuhan, would you hang out with them, and would you tell them why if you decided not to?

Someone I know is feeling bad about deciding to keep a distance.

Stark · 02-02-2020 03:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you had a very serious auto-immune disorder, and your friend was back from next to Wuhan, would you hang out with them, and would you tell them why if you decided not to?

Someone I know is feeling bad about deciding to keep a distance.

I defintely wouldn't feel bad about that. I mean if I was the other friend and I knew there was an (admittedly small) risk of killing a friend, I'd be happy to keep my distance for a couple of weeks.

Dante7 · 02-02-2020 03:46PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

this is so fkd up its unreal, how can a new natural corana virus, be suddenly treated with flu and hiv drugs??

Protease inhibitors that are used to treat hiv have been shown to be effective in treating other coronaviruses as they also use protease to replicate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15144898/

Yurt2 · 02-02-2020 03:47PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Or Xi is getting backstabbed

Deng Xiaoping once quipped that the enemies of China were not Western imperialists or hegemonic powers, but rather disease, ignorance and poverty.

Under Xi, ignorance and disease have made a big return - we'll have to see about poverty; quite possibly if the economy keeps going the way it is going.

Bubbaclaus · 02-02-2020 03:56PM

mikhail wrote: »

Consider these numbers from the article:

That's about 0.05% of infected people die. If the Wuhan virus was allowed to spread to the same degree and maintained its estimated mortality rate, 800,000 of those 19 million people would die. So they try to put a lid on it now, while they still can.

Think of it another way: A certain number of people die every year from slipping in the bathroom. If you look at that number in a large enough population, and it'll look substantial. It's still a pretty low risk, unless you're very frail.

How do you know there isnt 19 million people walking around in China already with coronavirus with such mild symptoms that have no need to go to hospital and be added to the fanatical number counts? The mortality rate could be lower than seasonal flu for all we know based on the limited data.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-02-2020 04:02PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

How do you know there isnt 19 million people walking around in China already with coronavirus with such mild symptoms that have no need to go to hospital and be added to the fanatical number counts? The mortality rate could be lower than seasonal flu for all we know based on the limited data.

I doubt there is 19 million people walkin around at this stage!

Kermit.de.frog · 02-02-2020 04:06PM

If the test in Dublin on the man from the Aeroflot flight proves positive I'd say there will be questions ask as to why the remaining passengers were simply allowed to leave the flight.

The mind boggles because people would be needlessly concerned.

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 04:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the test in Dublin on the man from the Aeroflot flight proves positive I'd say there will be questions ask as to why the remaining passengers were simply allowed to leave the flight.

The mind boggles because people would be needlessly concerned.

It is. Would they even have the names and Irish addresses of those on the flight?

mikhail · 02-02-2020 04:08PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

How do you know there isnt 19 million people walking around in China already with coronavirus with such mild symptoms that have no need to go to hospital and be added to the fanatical number counts? The mortality rate could be lower than seasonal flu for all we know based on the limited data.

There might be. It would be nice if that's the case. On balance though, I tend to keep an eye on the expert opinion. They might be wrong (especially in the short term), but they are trained to collect and assess the relevant kinds of data to figure that out.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-02-2020 04:15PM

klaz (or anyone else who's lived in china recently) can you comment on how often these sort of songs appear for a crisis? Is it like every time there's a natural disaster or what?

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 04:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the test in Dublin on the man from the Aeroflot flight proves positive I'd say there will be questions ask as to why the remaining passengers were simply allowed to leave the flight.

The mind boggles because people would be needlessly concerned.

I wonder were they and the sick person supplied with masks and hand gels?

Kermit.de.frog · 02-02-2020 04:19PM

saabsaab wrote: »

I wonder were they and the sick person supplied with masks and hand gels?

Don't know. They may have.

I know they got a leaflet.

jam_mac_jam · 02-02-2020 04:22PM

You would have thought they would be told to wear masks and stay at home

Oranage2 · 02-02-2020 04:24PM

Big earthquake in Sichuan too now

Yurt2 · 02-02-2020 04:32PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Big earthquake in Sichuan too now

5.2 is a bit of a rattle but shouldn't cause too much damage.

wakka12 · 02-02-2020 04:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd swear it was in the water in Wuhan or something. Do pandemics usually have such a strong focal point? I've no idea.

Depends on many factors, the population density, culutre, governemnt response, how globally connected and cosmopolitan that country/city is

jimmynokia · 02-02-2020 04:36PM

Does anyone not find it odd none of the mainstream media have reported on it, No not the sun,mirror and that rag dublin live......

02-02-2020 04:42PM

I’m wondering do we have a quarantine centre at the airport or in Dublin, or do they use limes of Cherry Orchard Hospital for that?

02-02-2020 04:46PM

jimmynokia wrote: »

Does anyone not find it odd none of the mainstream media have reported on it, No not the sun,mirror and that rag dublin live......

When I heard Brendan on Radio 1 this morning suggesting that there should be no hype or panic I was wondering what that was about, what was being hidden, as I was up fairly late and hadn’t been laying attention to media.

tom1ie · 02-02-2020 04:49PM

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.[/QUOTE

Wow! Are you by any chance in charge of the hse? You have the incompetence to match.

tom1ie · 02-02-2020 04:51PM

jimmynokia wrote: »

Does anyone not find it odd none of the mainstream media have reported on it, No not the sun,mirror and that rag dublin live......

Those rags were carrying a story about the flight last night.

02-02-2020 04:53PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Yes, I know, but it's still concerning. That and the numbers who are seriously ill. Those folks need respiratory equipment to treat them, without which the mortality would increase significantly. The problem is too many sick at once, not enough respiratory equipment to go around, and then spikes in mortality rates.

Yes, ventilators would be needed for the very seriously ill, and for the worst cases ECMO is the support of choice. Do we have the capability of this level of support? ECMO is what kept lung transplant recipient & journalist Orla Tinsley alive in her last weeks when her lungs ceased to function before transplant in NYC. She did well to make sure she was in part of the world that could provide her with this treatment.

tuxy · 02-02-2020 05:22PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CIA say it's China's most advanced bio weapons facility of a far different scale to what you are referencing.

You are only looking for an argument.

You see it as pure coincidence.

You are entitled to that opinion of course.

It's been a few hours now, have you found your source for this yet?

car_radio19834 · 02-02-2020 05:34PM

Looks like the numbers infected are stablising. Disappointing.

We need this to seriously impact economic acitivity. Hopefully it ramps up again and the impact gets more spread.

zell12 · 02-02-2020 05:37PM

Indo finally carrying the story at 17:33
Passenger who arrived in Dublin from Moscow still in isolation and being tested for coronavirus

Yurt2 · 02-02-2020 05:38PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Looks like the numbers infected are stablising. Disappointing.

We need this to seriously impact economic acitivity. Hopefully it ramps up again and the impact gets more spread.

? Riiiiight

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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