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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • #4052
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    If they can manage that, off an average population, why would you change their setup?

    You seem to simply want to maintain dublin at all costs. Why?

    Answer to your first question is because Kerry likely can’t beat the amalgamations they’ll face.

    Second question; I don’t understand. I’m saying split them but Maybe give them 5 years so Dublin South have a stadium to play in. That’s only fair, that a team can have a home stadium. Even if your own warped anti Dublin view sees it as acceptable they play in a stadium outside their own district.


  • #4053
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    Irish people are too parochial for it to be successful.

    Well I guess we’ll see about that.


  • #4054
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Well I guess we’ll see about that.

    See about what? Splitting Dublin and merging will never happen.


  • #4055
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    See about what? Splitting Dublin and merging will never happen.

    Ok, must get the lotto numbers off ye.


  • #4056
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Ok, must get the lotto numbers off ye.

    Do. You have a better chance of winning the Lottothan seeing Roscommon, Sligo, and Leitrim merged.


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  • #4057
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    Do. You have a better chance of winning the Lottothan seeing Roscommon, Sligo, and Leitrim merged.

    Certainly do if I get my numbers off you my prognosticating friend.


  • #4058
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Certainly do if I get my numbers off you my prognosticating friend.

    That's what I just said.


  • #4059
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    That's what I just said.

    Brandon Stark and his three eyed raven has nothing on you.


  • #4060
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Brandon Stark and his three eyed raven has nothing on you.

    Who's that?


  • #4061
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Again pure hogwash

    You like to get value for money out of one liners anyway. Now if you could just come up with some of your own...


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  • #4062
    MayoAreMagic
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    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Answer to your first question is because Kerry likely can’t beat the amalgamations they’ll face.

    Second question; I don’t understand. I’m saying split them but Maybe give them 5 years so Dublin South have a stadium to play in. That’s only fair, that a team can have a home stadium. Even if your own warped anti Dublin view sees it as acceptable they play in a stadium outside their own district.

    But in a properly thought out system, kerry wouldnt face amalgamations that would beat them every single time.
    Kerry and cork would be geographically a tough ask also. That is a huge area for one team to travel to training or meet ups.

    Croke park is only a couple of minites up the road from them. It would be a home game against everyone else bar north dublin, which is basically the same as what everyone else has to face when facing dublin at the minute anyway. To hold the thing up for 5 years over that would be ludicrous.


  • #4063
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Answer to your first question is because Kerry likely can’t beat the amalgamations they’ll face.

    Second question; I don’t understand. I’m saying split them but Maybe give them 5 years so Dublin South have a stadium to play in. That’s only fair, that a team can have a home stadium. Even if your own warped anti Dublin view sees it as acceptable they play in a stadium outside their own district.

    But in a properly thought out system, kerry wouldnt face amalgamations that would beat them every single time.
    Kerry and cork would be geographically a tough ask also. That is a huge area for one team to travel to training or meet ups.

    Croke park is only a couple of km up the road from them. It would be a home game against everyone else bar north dublin, which is basically the same as what everyone else has to face when facing dublin at the minute anyway. To hold the thing up for 5 years over that would be ludicrous. They could play in cp for the 5 years until they built their stadium


  • #4064
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    You like to get value for money out of one liners anyway. Now if you could just come up with some of your own...

    That would be a waste of time :D


  • #4065
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    Who's that?
    Some lad who just signed an AFL contract
    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    im not from Dublin so not arguing for them not to be split as a supporter of Dublin.
    Dublin not entering the leinster championship is a no go. I dont think Dublin should be split and if they continue to win all round it may drive gaa to put a far better competition format than what exists right now as it isnt working and that's not simply because of Dublin but lot of other reasons as well.

    No new format will be successful if Dublin continue winning every year. It's why there's no point changing as long as they do. Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

    If Dublin go on to win the next 30 leinsters in a row is there still no point? It worked well for the gaa moving Galway to leinster.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Any points you make have been well and truly countered many times, but it is a bit rich listening to a Mayo supporter criticising any other well-organised county, given the mess that they are in. The message to other counties from Dublin should be to get your own house in order, and Mayo are in more need of that than anyone else. They splurge over half their income on a vain attempt to get their senior team winning titles, when they would be better off coming up with any kind of a plan to boost the under-age scene, perhaps then they could play a tune at half-time in a county match.
    Dublin couldn't get their house in order until government and gaa financial intervention. Now you sit on your high horse slaggin off counties who's fans have to raise huge money to even compete.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Mayo raise vast amounts of money from their supporters but fritter it away and refuse to be accountable for the money raised, I don't need to go over all those details, they are well-known.

    Dublin get more money for games development coaches, because they have more juveniles playing the game. Simple as. If we gave Leitrim the same money as Dublin, every U-14 player in Leitrim could have a personal coach.
    So why do they receive so much more then cork if its down to the juveniles playing?


  • #4066
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    You realise much of the arguments you are making there are identical or along the same path of what I and others are arguing? There is an implicit recognition within your argument that Dublin are advantaged because most of the things you suggest changing are currently skewed to favour Dublin.

    It should be 100% of sponsorship pooled. And funding will have to factor in long term averages- for instance Dublin will have be relatively underfunded for decades to make up for the overfunding in recent years. And of course, they are such a unique statistical outlier in terms of funding that they would have to be split on these grounds alone.

    Your fairly reasonable suggestions would be too little, too late by this stage unfortunately I suspect however. The residual impacts of Dublin's financial doping will be felt for years to come now and so the single best solution would be a four way split of the county.

    God your posts are caricature at this point. Do me a favour and don’t try to misrepresent me like you have so many others here. What I’m proposing is nothing like what you and certain other posters have proposed, what I’m proposing actually looks to develop the weaker counties, not just help the financially and administratively doped Kerry won more AIs. We can see thelong term effects of this already hence why a seeded open draw is needed. It means Kerry don’t get handed any more handy AIs due to administrative nonsense while the distribution of funding helps traditionally weaker counties to develop over the next years

    The partial split of sponsorship is for two reasons 1 to give counties an incentive to still maximize deals and 2 to give sponsors a reason to go with the team that can extract the most money. Unfortunately for you beloved Kerry it also means that the Kerry group money (on par with dublins AIG deal) AND the million quid Cheques they write for COEs also get shared. Millionaires from mayo also go in the pot.

    Beyond that no reason to penalize anyone, not dublin nor indeed Kerry for the century plus of administrative and financial doping they’ve benefited from.


  • #4067
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So your idea is for everyone else to join up to match dublin? So we would have about 4-5 teams in the all ireland. You would basically suggest anything to keep dublin together at this stage. Kerry is the yardstick, clearly. We should aim to set the thing up to recreate groups of that size. That is the way to go. The more we can recreate the more top teams we can have. Any clown can see that that is a better option than having 4 or 5 teams like dublin or god knows how many teams at the level of leitrim. You know it too, but you dont want to admit it, because your interest begins and ends at dublin keeping their unfair position. If the sport is ruined over the head of it, you are happy to accept that.
    You know splitting dublin might have another advantage. It might get rid of people with the above attitude, because they are only a burden on the game.

    What a surprise!

    You solution leaves Kerry and Mayo untouched

    I don’t think anyone on here saw that coming :pac:

    For the good of the game right?


  • #4068
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    tritium wrote: »
    What a surprise!

    You solution leaves Kerry and Mayo untouched

    I don’t think anyone on here saw that coming :pac:

    For the good of the game right?

    Flip side of that coin is the only amalgamations I’ve seen dubs propose are ones that wouldn’t threaten Dublin.

    Even Roscommon are too good to be merged apparently.


  • #4069
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tritium wrote: »
    What a surprise!

    You solution leaves Kerry and Mayo untouched

    I don’t think anyone on here saw that coming :pac:

    For the good of the game right?

    Yes for the good of the game. Kerry, tyrone, donegal, monaghan and mayo can compete with the dublin corporate machine with a minute fraction of the funds and population. Common sense would tell you that that must be the optimal level for gaa counties. Common sense would also tell you that rolling out that optimal level would give us the best possible output from the game that we can get. Common sense isnt your strong point.
    You know Im right but you, like a few more just dont want to admit it, for selfish, and frankly, cowardly reasons.
    The bottom line is this. Counties of 150,000 odd, are challenging your county to go with 750,000, and try to compete. Its actually a great deal. But you are still too afraid to try it.
    Great gaa county with great structures? Ya right.


  • #4070
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Flip side of that coin is the only amalgamations I’ve seen dubs propose are ones that wouldn’t threaten Dublin.

    Even Roscommon are too good to be merged apparently.

    Well I’m a dub and I proposed mayo and Galway merging to mayoismagic. Not sure how adding the talent in Galway to a mayo team that have taken the dubs close on many occasions wouldn’t create a team that would have a serious shot at the AI, if anything it would be a serious new force in the game


  • #4071
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    tritium wrote: »
    Well I’m a dub and I proposed mayo and Galway merging to mayoismagic. Not sure how adding the talent in Galway to a mayo team that have taken the dubs close on many occasions wouldn’t create a team that would have a serious shot at the AI, if anything it would be a serious new force in the game

    Id agree and apologies I must have missed your post. It’s certainly not an opinion in abundance here to merge together strong counties.


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  • #4072
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Id agree and apologies I must have missed your post. It’s certainly not an opinion in abundance here to merge together strong counties.

    How about Merging Donegal and Tyrone , Kerry and Cork :D


  • #4073
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Id agree and apologies I must have missed your post. It’s certainly not an opinion in abundance here to merge together strong counties.

    To what end?
    Making 3 teams that match dublin?
    Straight semi final and final so. Great development for the gaa....


  • #4074
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    To what end?
    Making 3 teams that match dublin?
    Straight semi final and final so. Great development for the gaa....

    Better than splitting Dublin , to help 3/4 teams to match them , Great development for the GAA....


  • #4075
    decky1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭decky1


    Heard on the radio that 'Old Moore's Almanac' stated that Dublin will not win all Ireland this year. Hope their right.


  • #4076
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    To what end?

    Ireland is far too small a country to have 33 teams playing elite Gaelic Football. There are too many average footballers playing for the division 3 and 4 counties and those counties add almost nothing to the all ireland championship.

    Elite Gaelic football needs about 10-12 teams playing in a league format With the truly best players playing against each other on a reasonably equal footing.

    The AFL is in a far bigger country and has only 18 teams.

    The county format has served its purpose over 100+ years. Kerry ran away with it, now Dublin are virtually unbeatable. Cavan, Down, the other Ulster counties , Meath, Galway, Cork had their eras.

    It’s been done and it’s time to move on to a competition model that is actually fair and exciting.


  • #4077
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    decky1 wrote: »
    Heard on the radio that 'Old Moore's Almanac' stated that Dublin will not win all Ireland this year. Hope their right.

    Yea must be true , Kerry for there 38th All Ireland and 82nd Munster
    Time to start "The Dominance of Kerry Gaa" Thread :p


  • #4078
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Better than splitting Dublin , to help 3/4 teams to match them , Great development for the GAA....

    Absolute hogwash


  • #4079
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Absolute hogwash

    The whole thread is Hogwash lol.....


  • #4080
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Ireland is far too small a country to have 33 teams playing elite Gaelic Football. There are too many average footballers playing for the division 3 and 4 counties and those counties add almost nothing to the all ireland championship.

    Elite Gaelic football needs about 10-12 teams playing in a league format With the truly best players playing against each other on a reasonably equal footing.

    The AFL is in a far bigger country and has only 18 teams.

    The county format has served its purpose over 100+ years. Kerry ran away with it, now Dublin are virtually unbeatable. Cavan, Down, the other Ulster counties , Meath, Galway, Cork had their eras.

    It’s been done and it’s time to move on to a competition model that is actually fair and exciting.

    Its too big to have 4 though...
    Also, the geographic setup must be considered. You cant have cork and kerry or galway and mayo. The area is too large for one team to operate sufficiently.

    Every single angle has bee tried at this stage. Splitting dublin cannot be bested, simply because it is the best option.

    Yhe coubtry could easily have 20 teams of the level of mayo tyrone donegal etc


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  • #4081
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Its too big to have 4 though...
    Also, the geographic setup must be considered. You cant have cork and kerry or galway and mayo. The area is too large for one team to operate sufficiently.

    Every single angle has bee tried at this stage. Splitting dublin cannot be bested, simply because it is the best option.

    Yhe coubtry could easily have 20 teams of the level of mayo tyrone donegal etc

    Nope Dublin is not for splitting , keep on dreaming


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