The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

RedDevil55

blanch152 wrote: »

Mayo raise vast amounts of money from their supporters but fritter it away and refuse to be accountable for the money raised, I don't need to go over all those details, they are well-known.

Dublin get more money for games development coaches, because they have more juveniles playing the game. Simple as. If we gave Leitrim the same money as Dublin, every U-14 player in Leitrim could have a personal coach.

Dunno why you're bringing up the money mayo get from fundraisers. It's not relevant to the point I was making unless you want to talk about Dublin's AIG/other sponsorship income. I've never never heard an exact answer for where that money is spent btw. Considering the minimal expenses Dublin have compared to counties on the western seaboard.

As I've said previously, the GD funds Dublin receive aren't proportionate to their population. Dublin got €5m from sports Ireland as well while other counties got nothing. There's really nothing further to add on the inequality of games development funding. Who said give Leitrim the same money as Dublin?!

MayoAreMagic

dunnerc wrote: »

Stop with your nonsense , splitting Dublin will not happen , the Dublin people will never accept it .

Has it not occurred to you that if dubs went down that route them the non dublin folk might just demand it?

salmocab

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Has it not occurred to you that if dubs went down that route them the non dublin folk might just demand it?

And you think that demanding it would be enough? In the extremely unlikely event that it was voted for, which it won’t then you can bet it ends up in the courts. It won’t happen because it would cost too much money only benefit 2/3 counties.

dunnerc

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Has it not occurred to you that if dubs went down that route them the non dublin folk might just demand it?

Non Dublin folk can demand all they like , Dublin will not be split

Sweet.Science

They will be split. All it takes is for other counties to pull out of the championship and it will be done the following year

Dr. Bre

Sweet.Science wrote: »

They will be split. All it takes is for other counties to pull out of the championship and it will be done the following year

What counties have said they are threatening to pull out?

BonnieSituation

Sweet.Science wrote: »

They will be split. All it takes is for other counties to pull out of the championship and it will be done the following year

And you think that's a likely scenario?

The second we're split, the second GAA in the capital collapses.

The core support will dissipate. I wouldn't darken a ground or a club for as long as I live in that scenario. And I know there's thousands like me.

These threats are fantasy land. Almost Brexiteer-like.

BonnieSituation

Dr. Bre wrote: »

What counties have said they are threatening to pull out?

The great counties of King's, Queen's, Desmond, Ormond and Coleraine!

dunnerc

Sweet.Science wrote: »

They will be split. All it takes is for other counties to pull out of the championship and it will be done the following year

Not a chance Dublin will accept a split , no harm in dreaming though

salmocab

Sweet.Science wrote: »

They will be split. All it takes is for other counties to pull out of the championship and it will be done the following year

No what would play out in that unbelievably unlikely scenario is the dubs would pull out and the sponsorship would collapse. I wouldn’t lose any sleep though as it won’t happen.

BonnieSituation

dunnerc wrote: »

Not a chance Dublin will accept a split , no harm in dreaming though

Accept?

Are we waiting on a proposal from our benevolent compatriots who allow us to play their sports?

salmocab

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Accept?

Are we waiting on a proposal from our benevolent compatriots who allow us to play their sports?

This is part of the problem, there are people posting here that think things said on an anonymous Internet forum hold weight in the real world so over time the language evolves like the discussion here is really playing out.

kilns

As I have said previously splitting Dublin solely would do nothing for the GAA world except to the benefit of Kerry mostly. If Dublin were to be split up then other counties must join in order to create a level playing field and a championship in which any team can win each year. Those calling for a split of Dublin solely and claiming this will solve the problem are living in a fantasy land or are from a county who are contenders and would directly benefit

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

As I have said previously splitting Dublin solely would do nothing for the GAA world except to the benefit of Kerry mostly. If Dublin were to be split up then other counties must join in order to create a level playing field and a championship in which any team can win each year. Those calling for a split of Dublin solely and claiming this will solve the problem are living in a fantasy land or are from a county who are contenders and would directly benefit

That has already been addressed. Certain counties, mainly the ones in division 4 Id imagine, could be offered voluntary amalgamation. If they chose not to, which I doubt they would tbh, then it doesnt really affect the game hugely.

Re dublin going through the courts, that would go absolutley nowhere. The same way dublin getting so much extra funding has never ended up there.
The other counties could just vote to place dublin in the railway cup and that would be that.
If they didnt want to fulfill their fixtures, that is their business.
Some guys seem to think that dublin could bully everyone else and hold the whole thing to ransom. I dont know how they have come to this conclusion, but they are deluded.

salmocab

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That has already been addressed. Certain counties, mainly the ones in division 4 Id imagine, could be offered voluntary amalgamation. If they chose not to, which I doubt they would tbh, then it doesnt really affect the game hugely.

Re dublin going through the courts, that would go absolutley nowhere. The same way dublin getting so much extra funding has never ended up there.
The other counties could just vote to place dublin in the railway cup and that would be that.
If they didnt want to fulfill their fixtures, that is their business.
Some guys seem to think that dublin could bully everyone else and hold the whole thing to ransom. I dont know how they have come to this conclusion, but they are deluded.

You’ve spent months telling people what should happen to Dublin and when people point out it’s not going to happen you claim people think Dublin could bully everyone else? Utter rubbish, someone is deluded here your right.

MayoAreMagic

salmocab wrote: »

No what would play out in that unbelievably unlikely scenario is the dubs would pull out and the sponsorship would collapse. I wouldn’t lose any sleep though as it won’t happen.

Why would sponsors follow them? Do you think super value wont replace bernard brogan now that he has retired? You are kidding yourself. It could be con ocallaghan, or it could be david clifford. Ocallaghans loss then..
New stars would come forth. Sponsors would chase them.
In reality, the rest of the gaa world are paying for dublins financial doping as it stands anyway, and nobody but dublin is getting any of the sponsorship money generated by dublin. So in reality, dublin wield very little power as regards sponsorship, over the rest of the gaa. So threats about sponsorship are completely hollow

MayoAreMagic

salmocab wrote: »

You’ve spent months telling people what should happen to Dublin and when people point out it’s not going to happen you claim people think Dublin could bully everyone else? Utter rubbish, someone is deluded here your right.

You have claimed that dublin basically wont let it happen, even if it was the will of the rest of the country. That is trying to bully their way to what they want. Im just pointing out that if they were to pick that fight in that scenario, they dont win it. You seem to think they do. By all means, explain how.

salmocab

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Why would sponsors follow them? Do you think super value wont replace bernard brogan now that he has retired? You are kidding yourself. It could be con ocallaghan, or it could be david clifford. Ocallaghans loss then..
New stars would come forth. Sponsors would chase them.
In reality, the rest of the gaa world are paying for dublins financial doping as it stands anyway, and nobody but dublin is getting any of the sponsorship money generated by dublin. So in reality, dublin wield very little power as regards sponsorship, over the rest of the gaa. So threats about sponsorship are completely hollow

Sponsors would drop it because the brand gets damaged without the biggest draw in the sport. The sport loses press coverage or at least positive stuff about the game. Less bums on seats too so that won’t help. I’m not making threats as I’m not in a position to, I’m pointing out what would happen if this was to come to pass. It won’t though as the knock on effects would be huge and way beyond what people here imagine.

MayoAreMagic

dunnerc wrote: »

Non Dublin folk can demand all they like , Dublin will not be split

They can demand it democratically via a vote. The only move dublin would have left at that point would be to picket croke park on matchdays, which could also end up in the courts. However, the gaa could just move games to a different stadium. I dont see what move dublin have left at that point. Obviously the gaa money would be stopped. The sponsorship money would be no more. The professional element of their setup would be still collecting their wages. They could get very poor, very quickly. Could they afford going to the courts?

MayoAreMagic

salmocab wrote: »

Sponsors would drop it because the brand gets damaged without the biggest draw in the sport. The sport loses press coverage or at least positive stuff about the game. Less bums on seats too so that won’t help. I’m not making threats as I’m not in a position to, I’m pointing out what would happen if this was to come to pass. It won’t though as the knock on effects would be huge and way beyond what people here imagine.

What sponsors would drop it? Kerry group? Elverys? Supervalue? I dobt see that happening at all. Some of the ones behind dublin maybe, but those are dublin sponsors so it has no effect on the rest. The brand is being damaged as it stands with the financial doping going on. Even the pundits are discussing it on matchdays and every second newspaper article is about it. There was even a special on tv after dublin won 5 in a row. The brand is suffering big time.

I dont think it gets any less coverage for the games personally. Its the national game. It got plenty coverage when dublin werent featuring, and if anything, tighter big games make for more neutral viewers. There are a lot more neutral viewers than fans of any one team.

What knock on effects? This sounds an awful lot like scaremongering tbh. You arent giving many concrete details here.

salmocab

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

What sponsors would drop it? Kerry group? Elverys? Supervalue? I dobt see that happening at all. Some of the ones behind dublin maybe, but those are dublin sponsors so it has no effect on the rest. The brand is being damaged as it stands with the financial doping going on. Even the pundits are discussing it on matchdays.

I dont think it gets any less coverage for the games personally. Its the national game. It got plenty coverage when dublin werent featuring, and if anything, tighter big games make for more neutral viewers. There are a lot more neutral viewers than fans of any one team.

What knock on effects? This sounds an awful lot like scaremongering tbh. You arent giving many concrete details here.

Nobody is giving details because there are none. This is all internet talk. You honestly think brands wouldn’t be bothered by the biggest draw in the sport not being there or even split? There was never a point where Dublin weren’t featuring just a point when they weren’t very good it’s not the same thing. We also live in a different world where clicks and likes feature very strongly for brands and sponsorship.

buzzing147

The people talking about "splits" are the same people that "laughed" at Dublin not winning the all Ireland for years. Funny world this.

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That has already been addressed. Certain counties, mainly the ones in division 4 Id imagine, could be offered voluntary amalgamation. If they chose not to, which I doubt they would tbh, then it doesnt really affect the game hugely.

Re dublin going through the courts, that would go absolutley nowhere. The same way dublin getting so much extra funding has never ended up there.
The other counties could just vote to place dublin in the railway cup and that would be that.
If they didnt want to fulfill their fixtures, that is their business.
Some guys seem to think that dublin could bully everyone else and hold the whole thing to ransom. I dont know how they have come to this conclusion, but they are deluded.

So if weaker counties should be given an option to amalgamate why dont Dublin. Its the same argument but both ends of the spectrum.

How do you quantify extra funding, for example what do you base extra funding received by Dublin in 2018 (latest figures), is it purely on monetary amounts?

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

They can demand it democratically via a vote. The only move dublin would have left at that point would be to picket croke park on matchdays, which could also end up in the courts. However, the gaa could just move games to a different stadium. I dont see what move dublin have left at that point. Obviously the gaa money would be stopped. The sponsorship money would be no more. The professional element of their setup would be still collecting their wages. They could get very poor, very quickly. Could they afford going to the courts?

and if all counties decide to vote to split Mayo up and Galway up to give a competitive and evenly matched Connaught championship you will have no issues with it?

Dyr

Dr. Bre wrote: »

What counties have said they are threatening to pull out?

Sure havent Kilkenny already pulled out!

MayoAreMagic

buzzing147 wrote: »

The people talking about "splits" are the same people that "laughed" at Dublin not winning the all Ireland for years. Funny world this.

Is it?
Sounds like something you just made up this minute to be honest..

Re people laughing about dublin, well in fairness, what is the problem with that? They were a bit of a gaa basket case. Plenty laugh at the mayo county board too - who could blame them?
People laugh at these things. Dont take it so personally.
Dublin have become a gaa basketcase again, this time via financial doping. This needs to be addressed.

MayoAreMagic

salmocab wrote: »

Nobody is giving details because there are none. This is all internet talk. You honestly think brands wouldn’t be bothered by the biggest draw in the sport not being there or even split? There was never a point where Dublin weren’t featuring just a point when they weren’t very good it’s not the same thing. We also live in a different world where clicks and likes feature very strongly for brands and sponsorship.

Which specific brands are you referencing though, hypothetically? Because I dont see that arising at all. Dublin sponsors might refocus their sponsorship, fair enough. What ones do you see pulling out, outside of them?
As you say, it can be a popularity contest. Prioritising one county over the other 33 competitors is hardly going to be a popular move is it? The mass will rule. Finally you are seeing sense.

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

and if all counties decide to vote to split Mayo up and Galway up to give a competitive and evenly matched Connaught championship you will have no issues with it?

If the majority rules then that is the reality. Nobody would vote for that though, because it is nonsensical to treat the connacht championship in isolation. Splitting dublin makes total sense, so people would vote for it.

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

If the majority rules then that is the reality. Nobody would vote for that though, because it is nonsensical to treat the connacht championship in isolation. Splitting dublin makes total sense, so people would vote for it.

So tell everyone here how splitting Dublin will benefit Sligo and Leitrim for example

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

So if weaker counties should be given an option to amalgamate why dont Dublin. Its the same argument but both ends of the spectrum.

How do you quantify extra funding, for example what do you base extra funding received by Dublin in 2018 (latest figures), is it purely on monetary amounts?

Because, as I outlined already, if they refuse, they are only affecting themselves. They get knocked out and that is that. With dublin, the situation is negatively affecting the actual game itself, with no hope of that changing. And obviously, turkeys wont vote for christmas...

I quantify it on a per head basis, as well as things like individual fixed costs a county might have, through no fault of their own. Dublin are at a ridiculous level on this metric.