The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Hawkeye9212

Dots1982 wrote: »

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I don’t have a clue how that would work.

Better than amalgamating counties.

Western Gaels (Leitrim, Roscommon, and Sligo)

MayoAreMagic

Dots1982 wrote: »

Here’s a reasonably fair split on amalgamations and splits going on population. Population is the number figure (Add ,000) beside each amalgam. The main problems here would be

1 - The north West is so depopulated that it is very hard to build any axis of counties that has a population in line with other regions....unless you put about 8 counties in one team.

2- Dublin South don’t have a stadium

3- casement hasn’t been redeveloped yet

4- obviously traditionally rival counties would have to join up

Kildare Meath Westmeath 505. Pairc tailteann
Mayo Galway. 389 Salt hill
Cork Kerry 689.5. Pairc hi caoimh
Clare limerick Tipperary Waterford 590 Thurles
Wexford Kilkenny Laois Carlow Wicklow 532.5 Nowlan
Offaly longford roscommon Leitrim cavan 291 Hyde
Dublin North. Croke 700
Dublin South no stadium 700
Louth Armagh Tyrone Monaghan 543. Clones
Antrim Derry down 1.4. Casement
Donegal Sligo Fermanagh 285 Enniskillen

1. I think population ranges would be required. Not everyone is going to have the exact same numbers.
2. Could use croke park easily. Not even close to being an issue.
3. So?
4. Traditionally proud counties took massive handouts to get ahead. All bets are off as regards tradition at this point.
5. Any suggestion to join kerry up with anyone is not to be taken seriously. They are the model we should roll out everywhere else.

MayoAreMagic

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

100% of sponsorship to be pooled?

I think you should pause, and actually think that through.
Starting with what incentive there is for anyone on the Dublin Board to go out and get the best possible deal at the next renewal. (Same applies to any of the counties who get good deals really)
Or why any player would bother turning up for sponsors' events when the sponsor does absolutely nothing directly for that county team.

For the good of the game as a whole? Works in NFL...

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Re the first point. If kerry are the best team in the country with dublin deservingly spilt, then best of luck to them. It would actually be a far superior 5 in a row than dublins were they to do it. Why would you have an issue with the most deserving team winning the thing?

Re the second point. If kerry can win the thing off equal footing to other counties, then they shouldnt be split, they should be copied. You are simply trying to pull the model of what we should aim to be, down with you, just because your own county deserves to be split. That is a seriously jealous mentality. Why not put these famous structures to the test and go and match kerry from an equal footing, instead of trying to ruin them out of spite.

This shows the extent of your delusion.

Every All-Ireland won after Dublin ever being split will carry an asterisk and be considered a lesser All-Ireland. With Dublin out of the way, only lesser teams can win.

Dots1982

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

1. I think population ranges would be required. Not everyone is going to have the exact same numbers.
2. Could use croke park easily. Not even close to being an issue.
3. So?
4. Traditionally proud counties took massive handouts to get ahead. All bets are off as regards tradition at this point.
5. Any suggestion to join kerry up with anyone is not to be taken seriously. They are the model we should roll out everywhere else.

1. Fine
2. It’s not a home ground. If you want the idea and an identity to be built then you need somewhere for the Dublin south team to hang their hat. Otherwise they never get to play a single home game. Your hatred of Dublin is blinding you to this completely obvious point that is a major stumbling block. My suggestion would be Dublin stay as one team for 5-10 years and within that time they get a stadium built through fundraising, selling off Property like Parnell Park (Granted it’s on the north side) and selling off naming rights.
3. Newry and celtic Park are small grounds so no Redeveloped casement is a problem.
4. I don’t follow what huge handouts you are referring to. Maybe bailouts to Mayo and Kildare but I don’t really see how that is in anyway relevant to the bigger amalgamations happening.
5. If Kerry want to fight the amalgamations and go it alone then fine but best of luck to them keeping their head above water if they do.

MayoAreMagic

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

you are assuming people will want to support the only county in the country being split because they have been successful? If Dublin weren't winning there wouldnt be calls for them to be split.

Companies want associate with successful brands. It's a lot more than just being on the Jersey. Dublin being split fundamentally changed the inter county game forever and movement between two how do you address that as it is far from same with move anywhere else
And where do you find the extra income for this extra team? I'd it only at senior inter county level or do you propose this change for all levels below as just proposing it at senior inter county level is about pettiness and jealousy only.

Only because people dont actually want to have to split counties unless the problem has become so bad that it has to be done. I think you are confusing peoples good nature in not wanting to split dublin unless it is having a serious effect, for something else entirely. No good deed goes unpunished as they say.
Companies want to advertise their brand. If the gaa is popular, there wil be plenty of companies vying for advertising.
The income comes from the gate receipts of a second dublin team. Arent they supposed to generate so much for the gaa after all? Imagine what 2 teams could generate... Plus they have a lot of extra gaa money coming in as it is. That could be redirected.
Also, fundraising is ridiculously low in the capital for gaa. They can get out and do a bit more of it, like everyone else does.

Dots1982

blanch152 wrote: »

This shows the extent of your delusion.

Every All-Ireland won after Dublin ever being split will carry an asterisk and be considered a lesser All-Ireland. With Dublin out of the way, only lesser teams can win.

Any luck with that data I asked to see about your point of Kerry not promoting GAA juvenile participation like Dublin do Blanch?

ArmaniJeanss

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

For the good of the game as a whole? Works in NFL...

I'd be ok with the NFL model. But remember that's a model that works because you have 32 teams with a roughly equal assigned market so the gap between what the biggest and smallest team would bring in isn't too huge.
And not everyone gets a share at all, no-one thinks that say North and/or South Dakota merit there own entrant just because they are a state.

It's dots1982's alignment above, but divided up even more harshly on some.

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

This shows the extent of your delusion.

Every All-Ireland won after Dublin ever being split will carry an asterisk and be considered a lesser All-Ireland. With Dublin out of the way, only lesser teams can win.

Lesser than what? They would be won from a much fairer base.

Hawkeye9212

Split Fingal (and parts of the Northside like Ballymun) if you want divide Dublin in two. At least Fingal has its own county colours (purple and white).

Dots1982

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Better than amalgamating counties.

Western Gaels (Leitrim, Roscommon, and Sligo)

Well if that’s what was meant then its the same thing as my idea. I just can’t be arsed thinking of catchy names to give them like Western Gaels.

Dots1982

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Split Fingal (and parts of the Northside like Ballymun) if you want divide Dublin in two. At least Fingal has its own county colours (purple and white).

How cares about colors?

It’s a fairer model of competition that everyone including dubs said they were after to help the weakest counties.

Hawkeye9212

Dots1982 wrote: »

Well if that’s what was meant then its the same thing as my idea. I just can’t be arsed thinking of catchy names to give them like Western Gaels.

It's not the same thing though. Support for a Galway based club would cross over with the other teams in its region.

Dots1982

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

It's not the same thing though. Support for a Galway based club would cross over with the other teams in its region.

Ok good

Hawkeye9212

Dots1982 wrote: »

How cares about colors?

It’s a fairer model of competition that everyone including dubs said they were after to help the weakest counties.

It's all about identity. Fingal is the only part of Dublin which has shown a bit of separation of identity from the rest of Dublin in Gaelic games.

Dots1982

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

It's all about identity. Fingal is the only part of Dublin which has shown a bit of separation of identity from the rest of Dublin in Gaelic games.

Well if Fingal GAA people want to go up against a meath, kildare and Westmeath Axis to prove the strength of their area pride and identity then good luck to them.

MayoAreMagic

Dots1982 wrote: »

1. Fine
2. It’s not a home ground. If you want the idea and an identity to be built then you need somewhere for the Dublin south team to hang their hat. Otherwise they never get to play a single home game. Your hatred of Dublin is blinding you to this completely obvious point that is a major stumbling block. My suggestion would be Dublin stay as one team for 5-10 years and within that time they get a stadium built through fundraising, selling off Property like Parnell Park (Granted it’s on the north side) and selling off naming rights.
3. Newry and celtic Park are small grounds so no Redeveloped casement is a problem.
4. I don’t follow what huge handouts you are referring to. Maybe bailouts to Mayo and Kildare but I don’t really see how that is in anyway relevant to the bigger amalgamations happening.
5. If Kerry want to fight the amalgamations and go it alone then fine but best of luck to them keeping their head above water if they do.

2. But dublin dont play in their homeground. Their fans have no issue. Also, leinster cou ties opt to not play at home either. While everyone playing against dublin in the latter stages are at a serious disadvantage. They get on with it, so can south dublin.

3. No more a problem than it is currently... I dont get the connection to the issue at hand.

4. Financial doping via government handouts and gaa handouts. Have you mot been following?

5. The point is your amalgamations are poor. No amalgamation needs to be bigger than kerry. They are at optimum level. Any idea that joins kerry with someone else is nonsense.

beggars_bush

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Better than amalgamating counties.

Western Gaels (Leitrim, Roscommon, and Sligo)

Roscommon have two connacht titles in 3 years
Don't think they need merging

Cork is an obvious one to split, even just for the number of clubs in the county and the size of the place

MayoAreMagic

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Split Fingal (and parts of the Northside like Ballymun) if you want divide Dublin in two. At least Fingal has its own county colours (purple and white).

This is basically sacrificing fingal...
Split it down the middle. The 2 populations are more than strong enough to win all irelands. Still miles above the likes of kerry, mayo donegal and tyrone by the way. With the great structures now in dublin, surely they could compete with rhese teams? Do you not think they could manage it?

Dots1982

Seems people are just scared of Cork and Kerry amalgamating even if it’s within the population range. It’s not Kerry’s fault they’ve fostered the best footballers over the past 100 or so years.

Dots1982

beggars_bush wrote: »

Roscommon have two connacht titles in 3 years
Don't think they need merging

Cork is an obvious one to split, even just for the number of clubs in the county and the size of the place

Translation- only counties that are no threat to Dublin can amalgamate.

Hawkeye9212

beggars_bush wrote: »

Roscommon have two connacht titles in 3 years
Don't think they need merging

Cork is an obvious one to split, even just for the number of clubs in the county and the size of the place

Merging counties is a non starter anyway.

Dots1982

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Merging counties is a non starter anyway.

Aye, keep the status quo, 35000 at an all ireland semi final and zombie Provincial championships. It’s working out great.

MayoAreMagic

Dots1982 wrote: »

Seems people are just scared of Cork and Kerry amalgamating even if it’s within the population range. It’s not Kerry’s fault they’ve fostered the best footballers over the past 100 or so years.

If they can manage that, off an average population, why would you change their setup?
The sensible thing to do would be to roll out the kerry system everywhere. Gaelic football would be the best sporting competition in the world.
You seem to simply want to maintain dublin at all costs. Why? They are an incredibly wasteful setup. It is the equivalent of europe putting 1 team into the soccer world cup.

dunnerc

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Absolute hogwash

DITTO:rolleyes:

dunnerc

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

If they can manage that, off an average population, why would you change their setup?
The sensible thing to do would be to roll out the kerry system everywhere. Gaelic football would be the best sporting competition in the world.
You seem to simply want to maintain dublin at all costs. Why? They are an incredibly wasteful setup. It is the equivalent of europe putting 1 team into the soccer world cup.

Absolute hogwash :rolleyes:

Hawkeye9212

Dots1982 wrote: »

Aye, keep the status quo, 35000 at an all ireland semi final and zombie Provincial championships. It’s working out great.

Irish people are too parochial for it to be successful.

MayoAreMagic

dunnerc wrote: »

Absolute hogwash :rolleyes:

How exactly?

dunnerc

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

This is basically sacrificing fingal...
Split it down the middle. The 2 populations are more than strong enough to win all irelands. Still miles above the likes of kerry, mayo donegal and tyrone by the way. With the great structures now in dublin, surely they could compete with rhese teams? Do you not think they could manage it?

No , again Dublin are not for splitting

dunnerc

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

How exactly?

Again pure hogwash