The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

eagle eye · 30-12-2019 05:33PM

gstack166 wrote:

The New England job is like the Man Utd job after Ferguson leaving. You donâ€™t want to be the next man after BB, even though I believe heâ€™s still got another few years there yet, thereâ€™s a big rebuild coming for the Pats, youâ€™d be better off being the next guy after the next guy to take that job.

Bill won't leave though, when he decides to stop coaching he'll move upstairs and remain in as GM.

gstack166 · 30-12-2019 06:36PM

https://twitter.com/mikelesliewfaa/status/1211715811364265986?s=21

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2019 06:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Bill won't leave though, when he decides to stop coaching he'll move upstairs and remain in as GM.

Which to use the Manchester United example won't help the next HC as Matt busby stayed on at United after he retired and it can't have helped.

eagle eye · 30-12-2019 07:06PM

Itssoeasy wrote:

Which to use the Manchester United example won't help the next HC as Matt busby stayed on at United after he retired and it can't have helped.

It's completely different.

eagle eye · 30-12-2019 07:13PM

If it's true that the Cowboys have fired their entire coaching staff then they already have the replacement I'd guess.
There's been rumours for a while that Lincoln Reilly is the next Cowboys coach.

brinty · 30-12-2019 07:26PM

eagle eye wrote:

If it's true that the Cowboys have fired their entire coaching staff then they already have the replacement I'd guess. There's been rumours for a while that Lincoln Reilly is the next Cowboys coach.

Not what I have been told from my side from NFL Network

jack presley · 30-12-2019 07:28PM

Isn't Kellen Moore highly thought of? I'd be surprised if he's part of any mass cull.

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2019 10:53PM

Jane slater is reporting that Jason Garret has left the meeting with Jerry and Stephen jones and now we wait. I actually wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s back next year.

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2019 11:12PM

No Jason Garret decision today according to nfl network and the training facility is closed tomorrow. So it looks like Jason Garret will be the cowboys coach until January 1st at least.

The_Honeybadger · 31-12-2019 12:34AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

No Jason Garret decision today according to nfl network and the training facility is closed tomorrow. So it looks like Jason Garret will be the cowboys coach until January 1st at least.

Garretts contract is up on January 14th. Easiest thing to do is just not renew it and spare him the embarrassment of being fired. I can’t see him being back for another year anyway

Are the Cowboys genuinely that talented and underachieving, or are they simply overrated? I can’t believe they missed the playoffs with the injury state the Eagles are in

Mysterypunter · 31-12-2019 12:48AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Garretts contract is up on January 14th. Easiest thing to do is just not renew it and spare him the embarrassment of being fired. I can’t see him being back for another year anyway

Are the Cowboys genuinely that talented and underachieving, or are they simply overrated? I can’t believe they missed the playoffs with the injury state the Eagles are in

They never tackle anyone, the amount of yardage after contact against them is crazy

gstack166 · 31-12-2019 06:46PM

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1212081884194361347?s=21

frostie500 · 31-12-2019 07:03PM

gstack166 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1212081884194361347?s=21

Only thing going in Dorseys favour is that they did draft well at times so he might get some goodwill despite making a mess of hiring a head coach. Maybe have him on a shorter leash but the problems at Cleveland and their lack of discipline are fairly consistent with what's happened to dorsey in the past

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-12-2019 07:38PM

One big problem they have had historically is a tendency towards very quick turnover at the hc position. To me that would put off any top candidate from taking the position, and it also tells you the real problem is probably organisational instead of to do with the gm or hc. You can't build anything if you're blowing it up every two years. Which it looks like they're going to do again.

The_Honeybadger · 31-12-2019 07:39PM

Would be harsh to sack Dorset surely? I do think he made an error trading Zeitler and not addressing the issues at both offensive tackle positions but that is something they can work on this off season, all in all I think he has drafted and recruited well.

el Fenomeno · 31-12-2019 07:41PM

Well Matt Rhule has supposedly declined their interview. I imagine it will only interest those who might think their options are limited elsewhere, or those who are starstruck by some of the big names they have and overlook the back office mess.

McDaniels is from Ohio. I wonder would that, combined with his Offensive coordinator mindset and the allure of Baker, Chubb, Hunt, OBJ and Landry be enough to tempt him.

Plenty attractive about the job.

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-12-2019 07:51PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Well Matt Rhule has supposedly declined their interview. I imagine it will only interest those who might think their options are limited elsewhere, or those who are starstruck by some of the big names they have and overlook the back office mess.

McDaniels is from Ohio. I wonder would that, combined with his Offensive coordinator mindset and the allure of Baker, Chubb, Hunt, OBJ and Landry be enough to tempt him.

Plenty attractive about the job.

Isn't obj pretty openly hinting a desire to get out of there?

Itssoeasy · 31-12-2019 08:08PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

One big problem they have had historically is a tendency towards very quick turnover at the hc position. To me that would put off any top candidate from taking the position, and it also tells you the real problem is probably organisational instead of to do with the gm or hc. You can't build anything if you're blowing it up every two years. Which it looks like they're going to do again.

And I wouldn't judge a HC on them being the Browns HC because as you say it's mostly organisational. They have been back in the league 20 years and even the most dysfunctional sports franchise in that time frame if not hanging banners would be showing some signs of progress. The Browns can't do that it seems.

You can't expect young players coming into this league and playing for the Browns to get better. Players need some stability. Baker Mayfield will enter his third season in the NFL next on his third permanent HC and one interim HC. That doesn't work.

I know the steelers are the absolute extreme example given they have had three HCs since Nixon was president.

Itssoeasy · 31-12-2019 08:09PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Isn't obj pretty openly hinting a desire to get out of there?

All he's short is a neon sign at this point.

jack presley · 31-12-2019 08:11PM

Sales of chewing gum in Cleveland going to plummet now with Dorsey gone.

el Fenomeno · 31-12-2019 08:11PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Isn't obj pretty openly hinting a desire to get out of there?

I'd say an offensive minded coach who promises to make him a 1500-ish yard receiver could convince him to stay.

Granted, Mayfield would need to start showing promise again.

Itssoeasy · 31-12-2019 08:15PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I'd say an offensive minded coach who promises to make him a 1500-ish yard receiver could convince him to stay.

Granted, Mayfield would need to start showing promise again.

Start showing promise and softening his cough. For a young fella who has won nothing he's awful confident.

Ivefoundgod · 31-12-2019 08:15PM

Genuine question; who would take OBJ at this stage? Less than a year after talking up how great the Browns, Baker, Landry etc. are and he's throwing them all under the bus. Who would want that in their locker room? He's under contract so would need to be traded and can't imagine the browns will let him go cheap.

Just don't see many teams being in the market for him and its embarassing the way he's been begging teams to "come get him", he just wants to be at a contender, thought he had that with the browns and as soon as it went to **** he was looking to get out. Toxic presence and as talented as he is I wouldn't take him at the ravens.

phatkev · 01-01-2020 12:10PM

Ron Rivera to Washington is apparently a done deal. Not sure why anyone would want to go work with Dan Synder

jack presley · 01-01-2020 01:00PM

phatkev wrote: »

Ron Rivera to Washington is apparently a done deal. Not sure why anyone would want to go work with Dan Synder

I presume it’ll be the same as every other coach hired by Snyder, he promises he won’t interfere but then he can’t stop himself from sticking his beak in and it’ll be the same sh1t show as always.

In an ideal world, RR would have got it into his contract that Snyder has to stay away from football decisions and even though he would have had some leverage, I doubt he got that commitment.

jack presley · 01-01-2020 02:15PM

Jack Del Rio in as DC with the Redskins now too.

Itssoeasy · 02-01-2020 02:11PM

Some people might find this interesting. I knew that the preparation that goes into putting on an NFL game was huge and has gotten more complex over the years but it's nice to see what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDC7xOyAWzc

jack presley · 02-01-2020 04:22PM

Good stat just put out on the Dan LeBatard radio show: The Packers led for 0 seconds in their games verses the Lions but won both games.

Foxtrol · 03-01-2020 06:06PM

Richard Sherman got a lot of crap for not using an agent when negotiating with the 49ers and signing a contract where he bet on himself, with a lot of money tied to incentives.

It could have gone badly for him but after being selected as a 2nd team all pro he will now receive the full $4m in incentives he was due and be one of the top paid CBs this year.

Ended up being a great deal for both sides.

Realt Dearg Sec · 03-01-2020 06:51PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Richard Sherman got a lot of crap for not using an agent when negotiating with the 49ers and signing a contract where he bet on himself, with a lot of money tied to incentives.

It could have gone badly for him but after being selected as a 2nd team all pro he will now receive the full $4m in incentives he was due and be one of the top paid CBs this year.

Ended up being a great deal for both sides.

I was one of the people who was critical of him at the time. I mean it was still a pretty reckless gamble, but repeatedly he's proven himself to be one of the smartest players in the league, so sooner or later you have to admit he had a better understanding and analysis of the situation than his critics.

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