Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

ohnonotgmail · 12-12-2019 11:34PM

easypazz wrote: »

You are correct, would 1 litre of Jameson be €32 minimum!!:eek::eek:

somebody earlier gave a figure of 22.03 for a 700ml bottle which make it 31.45 for 1L

Hotblack Desiato · 13-12-2019 10:52AM

easypazz wrote: »

I doubt Jameson will go up in price under MUP.

Of course it will. When "cheap" brands go up, premium brands will go up to maintain the price differential.

Remember, this is not a tax it is all extra profit for retailers.

You can get 2 litres here for less than €50 most of the time anyway.

Jameson is one of my favourite whiskeys. You are talking through your hoop.

Normal price per litre:

Canary Islands : €14-15
Ireland : €42-43

easypazz wrote: »

Dunnes often do the Jameson 700ml for €20

Bollox.
They don't "often" do this. It is a very exceptional offer. And talk of vouchers is bollox also, if I use my voucher on alcohol then I can't use it on my groceries.

13-12-2019 12:18PM

easypazz wrote: »

You are correct, would 1 litre of Jameson be €32 minimum!!:eek::eek:

Ive never seen a litre for 32 as it stands. It remains pretty static at 38. Meanwhile 700 ml can currently be got for 20 in tesco.

13-12-2019 12:21PM

easypazz wrote: »

Dunnes often do the Jameson 700ml for €20 which is €15 nett of vouchers or €21.5 for a litre.

Tesco had 2 for €35 the other day.

Often? No. Around Christmas is all. Maybe before Easter Sunday.

Cantona's Collars · 18-12-2019 09:25AM

Leo ramping the introduction of mup again saying that the government can't wait for NI to get it's act together and wants to push ahead with it.
That'll lead to shelves in supermarkets and off licences being stocked with just big brands like Smirnoff, Heineken etc and more expensive craft beers.
All the 'cheaper' brands will be gone as their prices will be pushed up to match these premium products and nobody will buy them.
Will this stop problem drinkers.....No, they will buy booze regardless.

forzacalcio · 18-12-2019 09:33AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Of course it will. When "cheap" brands go up, premium brands will go up to maintain the price differential.

Remember, this is not a tax it is all extra profit for retailers.

Jameson is one of my favourite whiskeys. You are talking through your hoop.

Normal price per litre:

Canary Islands : €14-15
Ireland : €42-43

Bollox.
They don't "often" do this. It is a very exceptional offer. And talk of vouchers is bollox also, if I use my voucher on alcohol then I can't use it on my groceries.

Must agree with easypazz here. Dunnes have Jameson for €20 at least 4 times per year including now. I have bought them for my brother's every Christmas for the last 3 years for €20. So yes, it's often.

odyssey06 · 18-12-2019 09:40AM

forzacalcio wrote: »

Must agree with easypazz here. Dunnes have Jameson for €20 at least 4 times per year including now. I have bought them for my brother's every Christmas for the last 3 years for €20. So yes, it's often.

Four times a year is not 'often'.
Plus €20 on OFFER is still more expensive than the RRP in Latvia.
To get the price down further you have to have a voucher (and then can't use the voucher for other Dunnes products) and buy multiple bottles.

KrustyUCC · 18-12-2019 09:51AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Leo ramping the introduction of mup again saying that the government can't wait for NI to get it's act together and wants to push ahead with it.
That'll lead to shelves in supermarkets and off licences being stocked with just big brands like Smirnoff, Heineken etc and more expensive craft beers.
All the 'cheaper' brands will be gone as their prices will be pushed up to match these premium products and nobody will buy them.
Will this stop problem drinkers.....No, they will buy booze regardless.

Leo's bluffing

I don't think he will want to do this before a General Election and also lose out on millions in tax going over the border

Micky 32 · 18-12-2019 10:07AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Leo's bluffing

I don't think he will want to do this before a General Election and also lose out on millions in tax going over the border

Yep i like a glass of wine , i live an hour from Enniskillen and i’ll be filling the boot with wine with deals from the likes of Asda and Tesco etc for a Sunday drive every so often.

Thelonious Monk · 18-12-2019 10:21AM

I don't think anything any Irish govenrment has done, has ever annoyed me as much as this nonsense

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-sale-of-cheap-alcohol-4938965-Dec2019/

Another poll here. Any poll has been a landslide against these measures. They keep telling us we have cheap alcohol in Ireland, we f*cking don't.
Why don't the people get a say in this?

Micky 32 · 18-12-2019 10:46AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why don't the people get a say in this?

It won’t be stopping at the alcohol either. Harris next target is obesity, so we’ll be looking forward to a “fat tax” i’m sure.

Thelonious Monk · 18-12-2019 10:48AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It won’t be stopping at the alcohol either. Harris next target is obesity, so we’ll be looking forward to a “fat tax” i’m sure.

I mean I could almost live with that, but keep your hands off my f*cking beer you nerdy little sh*t Harris, look at the weather outside, and he wants to take our booze away. Grrrr.

easypazz · 18-12-2019 11:37AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Leo ramping the introduction of mup again saying that the government can't wait for NI to get it's act together and wants to push ahead with it.
That'll lead to shelves in supermarkets and off licences being stocked with just big brands like Smirnoff, Heineken etc and more expensive craft beers.
All the 'cheaper' brands will be gone as their prices will be pushed up to match these premium products and nobody will buy them.
Will this stop problem drinkers.....No, they will buy booze regardless.

Here is what Leo said, according to the journal article.

“If people are crossing the border to buy cheap alcohol, this measure will not work economically or in public health terms,” Varadkar said.

So on the one hand he says it won't work until NI come on board but at the same time he says he might do it anyway, which is it Leo?

Thelonious Monk · 18-12-2019 11:47AM

One would hope a GE kicks this can down the road too. The only problem is that every member of the Dail supported these measures, what a bunch of spineless cretins.

18-12-2019 11:51AM

forzacalcio wrote: »

Must agree with easypazz here. Dunnes have Jameson for €20 at least 4 times per year including now. I have bought them for my brother's every Christmas for the last 3 years for €20. So yes, it's often.

I was in Dunnes yesterday. Jameson 27. Tesco have it for 20.

You quoted prices for a litre. The standard is bottle is 700ml, which has the 20-ish price tag at by your reckoning 'often' of 4 times a year.

Meanwhile my local Spar are charging 36 for the same bottle.

If I'd time i'd do a weekend in Prague before Christmas where I can get the same bottle for 14 euros.

But the alcohol is so cheap here so I'll stay :rolleyes:

KrustyUCC · 18-12-2019 11:54AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't think anything any Irish govenrment has done, has ever annoyed me as much as this nonsense

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-sale-of-cheap-alcohol-4938965-Dec2019/

Another poll here. Any poll has been a landslide against these measures. They keep telling us we have cheap alcohol in Ireland, we f*cking don't.
Why don't the people get a say in this?

The myth of cheap alacohol has come from Eunan McKinney and is taken for fact by the government and media

We already have amongst the dearest alcohol in Europe without MUP

Leroy42 · 18-12-2019 11:57AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't think anything any Irish govenrment has done, has ever annoyed me as much as this nonsense

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-sale-of-cheap-alcohol-4938965-Dec2019/

Another poll here. Any poll has been a landslide against these measures. They keep telling us we have cheap alcohol in Ireland, we f*cking don't.
Why don't the people get a say in this?

Really, nothing. The bank bail out, blood transfusion scandal, HSE, education. They all rank lower on your scale than the price of off licence alcohol?

You need to reassess your perspectives.

People do get a say. Firstly in terms of telling their local TDs. Then there is an election coming. Thirdly, boycott. Both off licence and pubs if this is every passed.

We each have far more power than we think, but we need to have the desire to use it.

squawker · 18-12-2019 12:01PM

VFI lobby must be close to giving out the auld brown envelopes for Election time

Thelonious Monk · 18-12-2019 12:02PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Really, nothing. The bank bail out, blood transfusion scandal, HSE, education. They all rank lower on your scale than the price of off licence alcohol?

Yes. I was working abroad for the years of the bad times, and I've had nothing but good experiences with the Irish healthcare system, and our excellent education systems.
This feels like they're stamping on my civil liberties and right to do as I please in my spare time.

18-12-2019 12:02PM

squawker wrote: »

VFI lobby must be close to giving out the auld brown envelopes for Election time

Close to? Continuing to do so you mean.

squawker · 18-12-2019 12:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Close to? Continuing to do so you mean.

have to be far heavier around election time though

expensive affairs these elections, auld Leo will need twice as much spray tan

easypazz · 18-12-2019 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was in Dunnes yesterday. Jameson 27. Tesco have it for 20.

You quoted prices for a litre. The standard is bottle is 700ml, which has the 20-ish price tag at by your reckoning 'often' of 4 times a year.

Meanwhile my local Spar are charging 36 for the same bottle.

If I'd time i'd do a weekend in Prague before Christmas where I can get the same bottle for 14 euros.

But the alcohol is so cheap here so I'll stay :rolleyes:

Jameson 700ml has been more or less readily available for €20 since the middle of October across different outlets. Works out at €28.60 for 1 Litre. It can also be got for less than €20 / 700ml from time to time.

Sometimes it goes for less, but anybody who likes Jameson, has plenty of opportunity over the year to stock up, these offers run for a while in the leadup to Paddys day, easter, June bank holiday etc.

18-12-2019 12:16PM

easypazz wrote: »

Jameson 700ml has been more or less readily available for €20 since the middle of October across different outlets. Works out at €28.60 for 1 Litre. It can also be got for less than €20 / 700ml from time to time.

Sometimes it goes for less, but anybody who likes Jameson, has plenty of opportunity over the year to stock up, these offers run for a while in the leadup to Paddys day, easter, June bank holiday etc.

You are talking rubbish.

"Works out at 28.60 a litre" Yeah but the litre bottle remains static at the cheapest place to get it, Tesco, at 38 euros.

Please point me in the direction of where, any time in the last ten years it was less than 20 euros. RRP being 27 euro.

I'm a regular Jameson drinker, as is my father(ex Jameson Master distiller), and the topic of how much and where is a regular topic of conversation. From those conversations, you're either shopping in Musgraves or still living in the 90s.

the beer revolu · 18-12-2019 01:14PM

I'm not saying that there should be MUP.
I'm not saying that booze is cheap in Ireland compared to most other countries.

But...
Booze is way, way cheaper than it was in, lets say 1994.

Back then, I could buy a can of 5% lager for £1 -nothing really cheaper than that- according to CSO calculator, that's €2 in today's money.

But today, we can buy a can of 5% lager for €1 or less.

Back then a cheap bottle of wine was £5 - it didn't really get any cheaper - that's around €10.14 in today's money.
But today we can buy a bottle of cheap plonk for €5

I think it's fair to say that in 25 years, booze has effectively halved in price.

Just some food for thought.

easypazz · 18-12-2019 01:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are talking rubbish.

"Works out at 28.60 a litre" Yeah but the litre bottle remains static at the cheapest place to get it, Tesco, at 38 euros.

Please point me in the direction of where, any time in the last ten years it was less than 20 euros. RRP being 27 euro.

I'm a regular Jameson drinker, as is my father(ex Jameson Master distiller), and the topic of how much and where is a regular topic of conversation. From those conversations, you're either shopping in Musgraves or still living in the 90s.

What difference does it make if its bought in 700ml bottles or 1 litre bottles?

It still works out at €28.71 per litre. I'd consider that the price point at which to stock up on bottles, unless it has to be in 1 litre bottles for some reason.

Tesco had 2 x 700ml for €35 a couple of weeks ago. That's the price point to go all in.

Geuze · 18-12-2019 01:28PM

easypazz wrote: »

Jameson 700ml has been more or less readily available for €20 since the middle of October across different outlets. Works out at €28.60 for 1 Litre. It can also be got for less than €20 / 700ml from time to time.

Sometimes it goes for less, but anybody who likes Jameson, has plenty of opportunity over the year to stock up, these offers run for a while in the leadup to Paddys day, easter, June bank holiday etc.

While Jameson has been available for 20 euro, I would not agree with the description: "readily available".

You have got to keep an eye out for these deals, they usually only last for a few days, and/or there are quotas.

Has it been available at 20? Technically, yes.

Has it been available at 20, in many different stores, for many consecutive weeks = no.

Under 20? I've never seen that.

Geuze · 18-12-2019 01:31PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm not saying that there should be MUP.
I'm not saying that booze is cheap in Ireland compared to most other countries.

But...
Booze is way, way cheaper than it was in, lets say 1994.

Back then, I could buy a can of 5% lager for £1 -nothing really cheaper than that- according to CSO calculator, that's €2 in today's money.

But today, we can buy a can of 5% lager for €1 or less.

Back then a cheap bottle of wine was £5 - it didn't really get any cheaper - that's around €10.14 in today's money.
But today we can buy a bottle of cheap plonk for €5

I think it's fair to say that in 25 years, booze has effectively halved in price.

Just some food for thought.

Yes, it is true that the price of beer in supermarkets has fallen in real terms.

That is true, especially the 33cl bottles.

It seems to be these cases of 20/24 bottles/cans for 18-24 euro, that is what people are considering "too cheap".

I recall bushing in 1994 approx, paying more then for 33cl cans of lager than you could pay now.

easypazz · 18-12-2019 01:31PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm not saying that there should be MUP.
I'm not saying that booze is cheap in Ireland compared to most other countries.

But...
Booze is way, way cheaper than it was in, lets say 1994.

Back then, I could buy a can of 5% lager for £1 -nothing really cheaper than that- according to CSO calculator, that's €2 in today's money.

But today, we can buy a can of 5% lager for €1 or less.

Back then a cheap bottle of wine was £5 - it didn't really get any cheaper - that's around €10.14 in today's money.
But today we can buy a bottle of cheap plonk for €5

I think it's fair to say that in 25 years, booze has effectively halved in price.

Just some food for thought.

Back then we had the groceries order, AFAIK, so price fixing was in place before.

After the groceries order was lifted, along with changes in the licencing laws, many of the small rural shops, butchers and pubs were put out of business and small villages and towns went into serious decline.

Then shopping centres and supermarkets were redeveloped into even bigger units with shiny new motorways to their doors and the last of the clothes and shoe shops in rural Ireland started to close.

More and more people upped sticks to live in the city and now we have high rents, high house prices and a homeless crisis but nobody wants to live in rural Ireland because the social fabric has been destroyed.

That's just the way it is.

Geuze · 18-12-2019 01:33PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

But...
Booze is way, way cheaper than it was in, lets say 1994.

Back then a cheap bottle of wine was £5 - it didn't really get any cheaper - that's around €10.14 in today's money.
But today we can buy a bottle of cheap plonk for €5

I think it's fair to say that in 25 years, booze has effectively halved in price.

Just some food for thought.

Are you sure about the wine?

Were there not some fairly big increases in excise duty on wine during the last decade?

the beer revolu · 18-12-2019 01:33PM

Geuze wrote: »

I recall bushing in 1994 approx, paying more then for 33cl cans of lager than you could pay now.

I was talking 50cl cans.
33cl cans were very rare back then.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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