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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker **Spoilers from post 2076**

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Man, if still chatting about a known controversial and divisive Star Wars films 2 years after the fact bakes your nipples, for GOD'S sake don't take an interest in politics and go into the Brexit thread. Said nipples might actually spontaneously combust.

    As much as people hate Last Jedi, I love that it exists. As I said already about Solo, being mediocre is a greater curse, and at least good-bad films are remembered; at least there's something to talk about with Last Jedi. It has concepts, ideas and execution worth talking about, unlike the blancmange of mediocrity that informs a great percentage of blockbusters. As much as I've enjoyed the MCU as an overall entity, I'd struggle to discuss the merits or otherwise of most individual films.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭fluke


    pixelburp wrote: »
    with Last Jedi. It has concepts, ideas and execution that's worth talking about, unless the blancmange of mediocrity that informs a great percentage of blockbusters. As much as I've enjoyed the MCU as an overall entity, I'd struggle to discuss the merits or otherwise of most individual films.


    Couldn't agree more. In a way TLJ reminds me of Batman and Robin, The Last Jedi is a far more superior and sophisticated film, but both share a lot of camp and wink wink tendencies.

    When I tried to watch Justice League I was disappointed as to how bland it felt, whereas even Batman and Robin (like TLJ), has an atmosphere.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    From my own personal response to TLJ, I confess to having been a bit too dazzled and thrilled by the “subverting expectations (c)”* and meta reflections on the legacy of Star Wars on first watch to really appreciate what a lovely bit of classical storytelling it is as well. I love how every character and subplot is written around central themes and conflicts. I particularly admire how, far beyond the immediate surprise factor of what they do with Luke, Johnson had actually given the character (and Hamill) the most affectionate and exciting arc he could have: really diving deep into and grappling what it means to be a Jedi, ultimately giving him the most heroic and philosophically righteous moment in the franchise.

    It’s possibly my favourite major Hollywood franchise script, and what a thrill a few weeks ago to see Johnson pull off the same sort of thing - meta playfulness with deadly serious genre storytelling - in Knives Out with maybe even more aplomb.

    *the way they kill off Snoke is still in my top three favourite SW moments, mind you :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,053 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Man, if still chatting about a known controversial and divisive Star Wars films 2 years after the fact bakes your nipples, for GOD'S sake don't take an interest in politics and go into the Brexit thread. Said nipples might actually spontaneously combust.

    It honestly amazes me that some people venture onto the internet, at all, if they can be so sensitive about something so trivial as differing opinions on Star Wars movies. I shudder to think how they can step outside their house and deal with people in the real world. And I'm not trying to be nasty here or anything, but there's going to be things in life that people will have to deal with that will have a far more real and longer lasting effect/affect.

    These movies are twee entertainment that vary wildly in quality and not everyone is going to share an opinion on them. If people cannot understand that that is going to occur on a forum about movies, then I just hope they never meet some real conflict in their lives that isn't merely disagreeable text on a screen.
    pixelburp wrote: »
    As much as people hate Last Jedi, I love that it exists. As I said already about Solo, being mediocre is a greater curse, and at least good-bad films are remembered; at least there's something to talk about with Last Jedi. It has concepts, ideas and execution worth talking about, unlike the blancmange of mediocrity that informs a great percentage of blockbusters. As much as I've enjoyed the MCU as an overall entity, I'd struggle to discuss the merits or otherwise of most individual films.

    Fine, you like that 'The Last Jedi' exists. As Christian Bale would say "GOOD FOR YOU!" :p

    Seriously though, on the topic of the blandness of blockbusters, I couldn't agree more (cue Marvel fans getting agitated) and 'The Last Jedi' has indeed generated a lot of yap. But, that doesn't mean that that yap has to be in harmony, as I'm sure you'd agree.

    I happen to be of the view that while the direction is fine in the film, the writing was woeful. So we end up with a nice looking movie, with a couple of decent set pieces, but a story that's duff in many respects and contains some awful ideas.

    But in a lot of ways, Rian Johnson was put in a corner by Abrams' own poor copy and paste writing for 'The Force Awakens'. It certainly looks to me that he'd had a general central idea for a script that involved Rey and Luke on the island, but then had to later take into account the other two characters that JJ crammed into his film, so he spent an afternoon knocking up something for them that resulted in two awful subplots that drag the film down terribly. There's only a trio of leads in the sequels because Abrams was trying to ape the original movies in the first place. But, Finn and Poe are completely redundant. John Boyega is there to go "woohoo" and Oscar Isaac is basically turning up to collect a paycheck. And we can see there's even more unnecessary people joining the pack in Episode IX, meaning that Rey's central story - what little there is of it - is possibly going to get diluted even further, when it should have been the main focus of the entire trilogy.

    In 'The Rise of Skywalker' we again have Abrams at the helm and I simply cannot imagine that, all of a sudden, he'll be able to make something that isn't just a noisy flashbang that will cause some distraction for a couple of hours.

    We can all then yap about that for the next 2 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    'Dagger' macguffin, in case anyone wants to avoid watching.



    'We're all in this to the end'.........never a truer word spoken about this trilogy.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Wedwood


    Better editing on TLJ would have helped it. Get rid of the casino planet sequences, the Poe/Leia/Holdo subplot and just intercut between the Luke stuff and the slow chase, as well as bring the running time under two hours.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Probably more excited to see him in this than anything else. He’s so brilliant

    https://twitter.com/richardegrant/status/1202114990209032192?s=21


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Wedwood wrote: »
    Better editing on TLJ would have helped it. Get rid of the casino planet sequences, the Poe/Leia/Holdo subplot and just intercut between the Luke stuff and the slow chase, as well as bring the running time under two hours.

    Same with The Phantom Menace years ago, I remember the Phantom Edit being a way shorter but way better movie simply by cutting scenes out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Probably more excited to see him in this than anything else. He’s so brilliant

    https://twitter.com/richardegrant/status/1202114990209032192?s=21


    Wow :eek:


    That is some top class acting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    "Don’t open if you don’t want to know"

    unclosed spoiler tags..

    uhuh


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Slydice wrote: »
    "Don’t open if you don’t want to know"

    unclosed spoiler tags..

    uhuh

    On my phone. Sorry.

    Here it is.

    Theres the film spoiled. Dont open if you dont want to know. If youRe a rabid moaner youll be delighted no doubt about it. All the whinge ability

    Again. Huge spoiler. On you if you open it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Relikk


    The dagger thing in the new TV spot seems a bit silly. They're on the same planet where we see them looking at the Death Star, she's holding up the "dagger" as if to line it up to the DS on the horizon, and the material of the dagger even looks like the surface of the DS. Why do you need to steal an artifact for something that was destroyed about 30 years ago? The Empire with their moon-sized battle station can't have been forgotten that easily, or so soon.

    If it's a key to something inside the ruined DS then how does it look like the destroyed DS on the horizon? You're getting back into prophecy nonsense that plagued the prequel trilogy if that's the case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    So this dagger looks like a Goonies Mcguffin in order for the, to find what they’re looking for.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    On my phone. Sorry.

    Here it is.

    Theres the film spoiled. Dont open if you dont want to know. If youRe a rabid moaner youll be delighted no doubt about it. All the whinge ability

    Again. Huge spoiler. On you if you open it.

    I dunno, I'd say it was always going this way, whoever was behind the writing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    pixelburp wrote: »
    I dunno, I'd say it was always going this way, whoever was behind the writing.

    Tagent but making Star Wars have a breakdown of Colin treverows script for IX which was what got him fired.
    Holy moley did we all dodge a bullet. It’s bad. Really really bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Tagent but making Star Wars have a breakdown of Colin treverows script for IX which was what got him fired.
    Holy moley did we all dodge a bullet. It’s bad. Really really bad.
    Link: https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    Limmys reenactment of the melodramatic Richard E Grant reel.

    https://twitter.com/DaftLimmy/status/1202158734899847169


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

    That guy scares the sh!t outta me. He’s clearly psychotic.

    But his bit about the kitchen and the knife and the banana coming to life like toy story is one o the funniest things ever.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    fryup wrote: »
    looks like a willy
    Warwick Davis was in that thing it got the chop.:D

    circumcised ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    That’s some good questions. Kick in the balls for some tho



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    I won't be giving my money to this garbage.:(




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So as someone who doesn't want to waste time on a video whose headline is blatant clickbait & hyperbolic, what are these leaks going around, and how valid are they? Especially given Trevorrow has already apparently shot down "his" version of the script, and the complete absence of test screenings to actually leak details...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    pixelburp wrote: »
    So as someone who doesn't want to waste time on a video whose headline is blatant clickbait & hyperbolic, what are these leaks going around, and how valid are they? Especially given Trevorrow has already apparently shot down "his" version of the script, and the complete absence of test screenings to actually leak details...

    Luke and Anakin scenes removed.
    60% of what George Lucas shot removed.
    Lightsaber duels with classic worlds and locations removed.

    Reshoots focus on diversity and identity politics.

    Film will include LGBTQTGVIHS representation.

    Bye Bye Star Wars I hope this mess flops.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    "60% of what George Lucas shot removed."

    George Lucas? Huh? I wasn't aware he shot anything, and TBH he's a terrible director in his later years, so no great loss.

    The rest sounds like buzzwords thrown into a blender TBH, usual hyperbolic woke-ochondria. Not seeing this reported on any legit sites so I'd question how much of this isn't just bullsh*t paranoia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    pixelburp wrote: »
    "60% of what George Lucas shot removed."

    George Lucas? Huh? I wasn't aware he shot anything, and TBH he's a terrible director in his later years, so no great loss.

    The rest sounds like buzzwords thrown into a blender TBH, usual hyperbolic woke-ochondria.

    George Lucas was brought in for reshoots.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    George Lucas was brought in for reshoots.

    Why on earth would Disney bring retired billionaire George Lucas in for reshoots? Sorry but that makes zero sense, the more you explain the battier those "leaks" sound.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    pixelburp wrote: »
    Why on earth would you bring retired billionaire George Lucas in for reshoots? Sorry but that makes zero sense, the more you explain the battier those "leaks" sound.
    The premiere of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is only a little over a month away but it looks like the highly anticipated film was off to a rocky start. A new report reveals that the first version of Episode IX was so disastrous that George Lucas had to step in to fix the entire thing.

    The report comes from Cosmic Book News where it is revealed that there could be three versions of The Rise of Skywalker out there. The first cut is from Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy and director J.J. Abrams but it only scored 29 in test screenings. This is when Disney CEO reportedly stepped in. The second cut then resulted in a score of 65 from test audiences.

    Not surprisingly, this wasn't enough for Disney. The studio decided to bring in Lucas to interfere with the entire film and his cut's final score came out at 88. This could have a lot to do with Lucas' surprise move of introducing a secret Skywalker in the third act.

    http://epicstream.com/news/NobelleBorines/Star-Wars-The-Rise-of-Skywalker-Started-Out-Disasterous-Until-George-Lucas-Fixed-It


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,956 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This, again?

    Episode IX has not been test screened; this has come up before on the thread and none of the new trilogy has been test screened.

    And even if it had been, again ... with all the money they have, and knowing that he's basically retired, why on earth would Disney bring in George Lucas to reshoot the last film in the trilogy? I mean sure, there's a romantic notion for those feeling spurned by the new trilogy that George will swoop in and save the franchise, conveniently forgetting the awful job he did of directing the prequels.

    That link reads like an awful load of clickbait bollix TBH, and haven't seen a single serious outlet report anything you're suggesting CinemaGuy.


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