Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker **Spoilers from post 2076**

CramCycle

Homelander wrote: »

A lot of people gave out about TFA (me included) because it was a way too familiar rehash. It was basically a remake of ANH to restart a new trilogy rather than be moving forward from the get go. To be fair, it was an OK film but just far too familiar.

It was a good movie except for Han Solo, better off if he was dead before it started as Harrison made it quite clear in interviews he was there for the money and his acting (or lack there off) made it clear as well. He almost single handedly ruined a decent movie.

I like TLJ overall but big chunks of it didn't work for me and many others because there's a strong feeling that they didn't make sense, not because they were unpredictable or went against fan theories. In fact I would argue that the absolute best part of TLJ was it's most unpredictable scene in the Throne Room.

I think the main thing that didn't make sense was the casino bit, if you could edit that section out somehow, have either the con man jump in or that he was already a disillusioned member of the crew, then it would be workable. It would have improved the whole film immeasurably IMO rather than that ham fisted, rubbish. I actually liked the rest of it, pacing was off but very watchable (apart from the Casino, which added 100s of issues in regards WTF was everyone playing at).

I prefer TLJ just because at least it's something new but I thought putting aside the rehash aspect of TFA, it's actually a much more even film. When TLJ was good it was great but I think Rian Johnson made some bad creative and narrative choices. Now on the other hand I don't trust JJ either not to deliver an insanely safe remake of ROTJ.

With minor twists to make it seem like its not. The only issue with this is ROTJ was an insanely safe sequel to 5, and a rehash of 4 (ducks and covers). So no matter what he does, everyone will say its a copy of something else in Star Wars.

Dunno really. I think George Lucas was the right man for both the prequels and sequel trilogies IF he accepted help from a writing team to put a proper shape on his ideas and had someone else direct them. He has great vision, he's just a horrible writer/director. The universe of TFA and TLJ are flat and lifeless compared to the prequels even.

Not even close, I remember the re release and going to see them in the cinema, all the extra background stuff, which was utterly pointless. The prequels showed us how badly he would have done if he had a budget for the original IMO.

This said, I am still going to see it and I know I am going to love it.

py2006

The White Wolf wrote: »

What Odeon is that? Doubt my local Odeon would have the neck to charge that; not exactly a stellar experience.

Blanch, its €14.25 in Odeon Coolock

py2006

CramCycle wrote: »

It was a good movie except for Han Solo, better off if he was dead before it started as Harrison made it quite clear in interviews he was there for the money and his acting (or lack there off) made it clear as well. He almost single handedly ruined a decent movie.

What?? Get out of town, will ya!

CramCycle

py2006 wrote: »

What?? Get out of town, will ya!

Don't tell me I am the only one who thought he dialled it in? possibly the worst Harrison Ford performance in history. I actually left the movie thinking they must have changed the script to kill him off once they seen his acting.

py2006

CramCycle wrote: »

Don't tell me I am the only one who thought he dialled it in? possibly the worst Harrison Ford performance in history. I actually left the movie thinking they must have changed the script to kill him off once they seen his acting.

Wow I didn't think it was that bad. I mean it wasn't a staring role and he did want the character killed off in the originals. I thought he was fine in it.

ZV Yoda

6 more sleeps... for the weirdos fans going to the triple bill on Wed night

See you all there

Tony EH

CramCycle wrote: »

Don't tell me I am the only one who thought he dialled it in? possibly the worst Harrison Ford performance in history. I actually left the movie thinking they must have changed the script to kill him off once they seen his acting.

Ford certainly phoned it in and was there for the retirement fund, no doubt. But, the double act between him and Chewbacca was probably the best thing about that film.

But that isn't saying much really.

The worst thing about Solo in 'The Force Awakens' is the shitty writing for his character, making him a two time loser and a deadbeat dad that went back to being a smuggler, because that's what he was in the original film that JJ's was ripping off and he couldn't think of anything else.

ZV Yoda

Tony EH wrote: »

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The worst thing about Solo in 'The Force Awakens' is the shitty writing for his character, making him a two time loser and a deadbeat dad that went back to being a smuggler, because that's what he was in the original film that JJ's was ripping off and he couldn't think of anything else.

Ah, I don't know about that. He was a scoundrel until he fell for Leia. We don't know how long he & Leia were together (or why they parted ways), but it's suggested in TFA that they were too different to stay together, so it's not really a stretch to think he couldn't resist going back to his scoundrel ways.

Aside from the fact that the whole story of TFA is a re-hash of ANH, I always thought the worst thing about TFA is that Max Von Sydow was criminally underused.

Dades

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

TFA stole a big chunk of ROTJ as well.

Anyone remember that small team led by Han and Chewie sent in to disable the Death Star Starkiller Base shield generators so the rebel fleet could blow it up?

Still, I'm up for more rehashes - but there'd better be a Sarlacc.

Tony EH

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Ah, I don't know about that. He was a scoundrel until he fell for Leia.

And four years later he was a General in a paramiltary organisation that defeated a galaxy wide Empire.

The idea that he'd just go back to smuggling was one of the worst ideas that Abrams could have come up with. Although, it was hardly an idea. Just another instance of ctrl c/ctrl v from George's 1977 movie.

ZV Yoda wrote: »

We don't know how long he & Leia were together (or why they parted ways), but it's suggested in TFA that they were too different to stay together, so it's not really a stretch to think he couldn't resist going back to his scoundrel ways.

We don't know anything, because the writers of these messes don't know either, making these sequels an extremely empty and frustrating experience. We don't even know how Anakin's lightsaber got into the hands of the orange woman Yoda rip off and JJ basically told us not to bother asking.

But, no, I don't accept that after being instrumental in the destruction of the Empire that Solo would just regress back to what he was in 'Star Wars'. A situation which he was desperate to get away from remember. The only reason for this is because Abrams is a poor writer and wanted to "relive" the 'Star Wars' that everyone remembers, because he's a reboot merchant that hasn't had an original thought in his head.

Calhoun

py2006 wrote: »

Oh yea?

Apologies got busy in work and forgot to come back, I see it has been linked since.

Essentially though he was saying he didn't like the direction they went in.

With all the criticism going around this is not needed for the film.

ZV Yoda

Tony EH wrote: »

And four years later he was a General in a paramiltary organisation that defeated a galaxy wide Empire.

The idea that he'd just go back to smuggling was one of the worst ideas that Abrams could have come up with. Although, it was hardly an idea. Just another instance of ctrl c/ctrl v from George's 1977 movie.



We don't know anything, because the writers of these messes don't know either, making these sequels an extremely empty and frustrating experience. We don't even know how Anakin's lightsaber got into the hands of the orange woman Yoda rip off and JJ basically told us not to bother asking.

But, no, I don't accept that after being instrumental in the destruction of the Empire that Solo would just regress back to what he was in 'Star Wars'. A situation which he was desperate to get away from remember. The only reason for this is because Abrams is a poor writer and wanted to "relive" the 'Star Wars' that everyone remembers, because he's a reboot merchant that hasn't had an original thought in his head.

Maybe Han just wasn’t cut out to play happy families with Leia. In fairness, I’d say she was fairly high maintenance.

What if he needed some time to himself & decided to go back with Chewie to hang out with their old Mos Eisley mates for a weekend? A few beers, one thing leads to another & before you know it, Han’s back to his old gambling ways. He can’t face going back to Leia to say he’s lost their life savings, so he takes on a smuggling job.

It could happen!

Relikk

One last trailery thing. It's a good one.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=472503763458444

McDermotX

More of that.....less 'they fly now' please.

J Mysterio

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

Im still troubled by the space horses

branie2

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

On the forum for the forum for the film on Fimboards.com, there are a lot negative threads about it.

Dades

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

branie2 wrote: »

On the forum for the forum for the film on Fimboards.com, there are a lot negative threads about it.

I'm guessing none of them have seen the film though, right?

pixelburp

I don't think a single member of the public has seen the film [*]; so a friend of a friend on a forum of a forum run by my cousin's sister is utterly meaningless.

Except for George Lucas of course, who reshot the film but then had it junked Oh no, I'm not letting THAT one go, cos I am that much of a príck


[*] Though that might not be 100% true, I think I read of a kid with a terminal disease who was given a private showing.

branie2

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

Dades wrote: »

I'm guessing none of them have seen the film though, right?

They haven't and they're not planning to either, despite my best attempts to persuade them to give it a chance.

loyatemu

Tony EH wrote: »

We don't even know how Anakin's lightsaber got into the hands of the orange woman Yoda rip off and JJ basically told us not to bother asking.

"Sabre: A Star Wars Story" is due in 2025

Sabre0001

loyatemu wrote: »

"Sabre: A Star Wars Story" is due in 2025

I would watch this

1800_Ladladlad

Total flop and a financial loss for Disney

A touching advert from the Philipines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V90pqyZ3cU8

silverharp

^^

a more satisfying ending then the movie will be probably :pac:

Loafing Oaf

loyatemu wrote: »

"Sabre: A Star Wars Story" is due in 2025

To be followed by a ten-part Disney series made with holographic technology. If it does well at the virtual box office. The sabre could be the Inanimate Carbon Rod of the 2020s

1800_Ladladlad

Total flop and a financial loss for Disney

Star Wars going forward.

In an interview with rolling stone, Kathleen Kennedy stated they had very little source material to write off of, and publicly displayed a complete lack of knowledge of all the books, novels and comic materials in the past regarded as canon by fans in the SW Universe. When Disney bought SW, they rebuked the Dark Horse publishing contract that published all previous Expanded Universe material. They disregarded the entire Expanded Universe from canon and are now simply legends. Alot of people are quite perplexed as to why she would willfully say such a thing or her quite simply blindly knowing nothing about the expanded universe.


So going forward I know Bob Iger, Disney CEO said they were slowing down the pace of SW release to focus on quality and not quantity. The new canon is **** compared to canon revered to by fans as the EU, would it not make sense to buy the rights from Black Horse so they can have access to a universe of the beloved source material. Before it seems they weren't worried about it with the 14 strong female writing crew but now going forward is it not obvious that should maybe use the vast amount of material they have?

brianregan09

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

Just do something in a different time period like the Old Republic , plenty of storys to mine through there

The White Wolf

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Star Wars going forward.

In an interview with rolling stone, Kathleen Kennedy stated they had very little source material to write off of, and publicly displayed a complete lack of knowledge of all the books, novels and comic materials in the past regarded as canon by fans in the SW Universe. When Disney bought SW, they rebuked the Dark Horse publishing contract that published all previous Expanded Universe material. They disregarded the entire Expanded Universe from canon and are now simply legends. Alot of people are quite perplexed as to why she would willfully say such a thing or her quite simply blindly knowing nothing about the expanded universe.


So going forward I know Bob Iger, Disney CEO said they were slowing down the pace of SW release to focus on quality and not quantity. The new canon is **** compared to canon revered to by fans as the EU, would it not make sense to buy the rights from Black Horse so they can have access to a universe of the beloved source material. Before it seems they weren't worried about it with the 14 strong female writing crew but now going forward is it not obvious that should maybe use the vast amount of material they have?

Giving the trilogy to 3 different directors to do as they wished with no constraints was absolutely bonkers. That's the mistake they made that they tried to reverse too late. They didn't need the EU necessarily; just a coherent voice that the buck stopped with.

Sad Professor

The White Wolf wrote: »

Giving the trilogy to 3 different directors to do as they wished with no constraints was absolutely bonkers.

I agree, though I think in fairness to LF/Disney that wasn't their plan, it was just how it worked out. Michael Arndt was originally hired to write treatments for the whole trilogy. But he never got past the first film and even that was ditched by JJ, who didn't seem to have even the vaguest of ideas about some of the stuff he introduced, a lot of which he deliberately left hanging because he didn't know how to deal with it. Then, seemingly fearful that audiences might not like TFA, he pulled out of the second film.

When Johnson was hired it was reported that he would be writing a treatment for the third and final film. That never materialised (probably because of Trevorrow) but I strongly suspect he wrote TLJ with a pretty good idea of where he thought the third film should go and if JJ hadn't decided to come back he probably would have been the next call.

branie2

Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens

I'm going to see it on Friday

Victor

I won't be watching this for another week.

https://twitter.com/joshgad/status/1204803549084807168