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NBP part II

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  • #1602
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    celticbhoy27 wrote: »
    100 euro connection fee.

    I'd have paid €1,000 and upto €80 - €100 per month if I could have gotten it anytime in the last 8-10 years. I'd still happily pay a €1,000 connection fee upfront if they could guarantee to get it to me in the next 6 months.


  • #1603
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    allanpkr wrote: »
    yes that was obviously a joke,, you need to lighten up a bit. you seem srressed end of discussion.
    wow marlow i hope your not married .your poor wife.. your so far up your own ..... its unreal. actually if you put all your quotes together, im sure you will see repetition ..i.e you just dont like the answer..etc etc. its like im marlow whatever i say is totally unbiased , totally correct and the rest of you know nothing.. are you like this at home.........lol

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111714376&postcount=1105

    Hilarious :rolleyes:

    You are a waste of characters.


  • #1604
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    Tbh it would be better if the cost was 10bn and we only pay 2.6bn. That would be the best deal in the history of Irish governments if we pulled that off.

    5bn sounds a little bit of a good deal for NBI, if they're 'only' on the hook for 2bn and have 25 years to make a lot more. And the opportunity cost along with some breakthrough in fast long-distance wireless laser comms that can go through trees and around corners in 20 years "might" mean they network is worth zilch in 25 years. I don't believe that but it is a possibility, who knows.

    But even to those who are shouting about it being given away and we won't own it (which I wish we did), I have a good hunch that if we were talking about a fully state-funded 5bn plan to "give the culchies Netflix" then it would have been a dead duck.

    And I'm now sorry I brought it up in the first place.


  • #1605
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111714376&postcount=1105

    Hilarious :rolleyes:

    You are a waste of characters.

    yes the part about his wife was a joke. but hey if you are going to bed riled up , im so sorry. again . but you really need to get over yourself. but hey if you wont np , cause its freedom of choice . now try to move on. sleep well.


  • #1606
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    It's taken open eir over three years to pass 330000 premises in similar areas so seven for 540000 seems accurate enough.

    3 1/2 years to be precise. FTTH rollout started Q3/2016. And it builds on the provisioning platform, structures and exchanges for FTTC, which already was in place and well proven by then. Plus that the upgrade for a retail operator to also sell FTTH was i minor re-negotiation, if they already were providing FTTC. Planning of the FTTH rollout predates that, so we can assume, that we're actually talking 4 years.

    The planning, platform, provisioning, interconnects, exchanges and core network for NBI all have to be established from scratch with no actual infrastructure to start from. Nevermind, that they have to negotiate with retail operators and those retail operators have to get their connectivity in place to connect to NBIs access network. So that will take them longer. 7-8 years, if not more, is a realistical approach.

    Next problem: KN and Actavo staff are already pretty much tied up with OpenEIR and SIRO. Sometimes actually with lengthly waiting times to get installed. It's not uncommon to have to wait 2+ weeks to get SIRO connection.

    So ... staff to build NBIs network and access also will not just magically appear. OpenEIR had massive issues with this, when they started out and installation figures were extremely low.

    /M


  • #1607
    Gary kk
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Nbi do say it will be the third year before they really get up to speed


  • #1608
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    While Mr Bruton said the EU had approved the plan last week and ruled out any state aid concerns, a number of commercial operators are believed to be preparing to take a legal challenge over the deal. Their claims are expected to focus on the intervention areas and the fact the state is providing support to a competing operator in those regions.

    However, Mr Bruton said the government is prepared for any legal challenge and that the EU had approved the deal.

    Fianna Fáil and other parties have warned that other commercial operators are mounting a legal challenge.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/3bn-rural-broadband-plan-could-face-legal-challenge-965260.html


  • #1609
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    KOR101 wrote: »
    While Mr Bruton said the EU had approved the plan last week and ruled out any state aid concerns, a number of commercial operators are believed to be preparing to take a legal challenge over the deal. Their claims are expected to focus on the intervention areas and the fact the state is providing support to a competing operator in those regions.

    However, Mr Bruton said the government is prepared for any legal challenge and that the EU had approved the deal.

    Fianna Fáil and other parties have warned that other commercial operators are mounting a legal challenge.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/3bn-rural-broadband-plan-could-face-legal-challenge-965260.html

    so much due diligence was done by nbp and then eu, i think any legal case brought would struggle to win. however if they were foolhardy to try, i dont think this would delay the build.


  • #1610
    BarryM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭BarryM


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    More on the BCPs

    https://nbi.ie/broadband-connection-points/

    For my area the BCP is shown in one place by the 'broadband officer' and DCCAE and in another place on NBI!!


  • #1611
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    BarryM wrote: »
    For my area the BCP is shown in one place by the 'broadband officer' and DCCAE and in another place on NBI!!

    My nearest one is 7.5km away....as the crow flies, across Lough Ree! :D


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  • #1612
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    allanpkr wrote: »
    so much due diligence was done by nbp and then eu, i think any legal case brought would struggle to win. however if they were foolhardy to try, i dont think this would delay the build.

    Given that NBI are acting as a wholesale company, how are they a competitive threat to existing ISPs?
    Surely it affords those ISPs an additional product line in terms of offering a fibre product. We've seen this with existing regional WISPs partnering with SIRO,etc to expand their service.
    If Nova jump on the NBI scheme when it's ready, it's them I'd be looking at as my ISP.

    Quick question. Is it possible for whole-salers like NBI to offer triple-play for resale? (content only, not presentation/branding obvs) Is there any precedent for this? Or is that left up to the providers always?


  • #1613
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    heavydawson wrote: »
    Given that NBI are acting as a wholesale company, how are they a competitive threat to existing ISPs?
    Surely it affords those ISPs an additional product line in terms of offering a fibre product. We've seen this with existing regional WISPs partnering with SIRO,etc to expand their service.
    If Nova jump on the NBI scheme when it's ready, it's them I'd be looking at as my ISP.

    Quick question. Is it possible for whole-salers like NBI to offer triple-play for resale? (content only, not presentation/branding obvs) Is there any precedent for this? Or is that left up to the providers always?

    NBI are not the threat as such. It is the fact that they will facilitate the entry of large multinational organisations such as eir, Sky, Virgin and Vodafone into markets where they previously didn't exist to any great extent.

    As I posted previously eir retail have 85% of rural FTTH connections. According to the most recent Comreg data report:
    According to the data received from operators for Q2 2019, Eir had 32.2% of total retail fixed broadband subscriptions, followed by Virgin Media who had 26.3% of subscriptions. Vodafone had 18.9% (excluding mobile broadband subscriptions) and Sky Ireland had a 13.4% market share. All other OAOs combined accounted for the remaining 9.2% share of retail fixed broadband subscriptions.

    So now you're going to have another 30 or however many operators trying to compete with these behemoths. You can see how the economics don't stack up which is why many of them are complaining. They can see the writing on the wall.

    I doubt if they would offer triple play.


  • #1614
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    NBI are not the threat as such. It is the fact that they will facilitate the entry of large multinational organisations such as eir, Sky, Virgin and Vodafone into markets where they previously didn't exist to any great extent.

    As I posted previously eir retail have 85% of rural FTTH connections. According to the most recent Comreg data report:



    So now you're going to have another 30 or however many operators trying to compete with these behemoths. You can see how the economics don't stack up which is why many of them are complaining. They can see the writing on the wall.

    I doubt if they would offer triple play.

    Thanks Navi. So to paraphrase, they're worried about their effective monopoly in the regions being open to competition (and the state paying to end the monopoly). Am I grossly misrepresenting the scenario? I'm being facetious to a point, but I feel there's some truth to it.


  • #1615
    ussjtrunks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    I believe alot are loyal if treated well Nova have treated me very well over the years so If they resell the ftth product I'll go with them 100%. I feel like WISPs are in a great position actually as they can offer switching incentives to existing customers to keep them on board


  • #1616
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    heavydawson wrote: »
    Thanks Navi. So to paraphrase, they're worried about their effective monopoly in the regions being open to competition (and the state paying to end the monopoly). Am I grossly misrepresenting the scenario? I'm being facetious to a point, but I feel there's some truth to it.

    That would be my take on it also. Although, to be fair, a lot of these companies invested money and provided service where there was none over many years. I suppose it would be quite galling to have your efforts undermined, in their eyes, in such a way so I do have some sympathy for them. However, for the greater good I think it best that the plan went ahead.


  • #1617
    Orebro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    That would be my take on it also. Although, to be fair, a lot of these companies invested money and provided service where there was none over many years. I suppose it would be quite galling to have your efforts undermined, in their eyes, in such a way so I do have some sympathy for them. However, for the greater good I think it best that the plan went ahead.

    Yes they provided a service in the vacuum, but lets not fool ourselves either, they're not charities - they were in it to make money and plenty of it they made and are still making. Came across this in the Irish Times today and it sums it up nicely, and means there is something so much bigger going on here than a few regional WISPs being threatened:

    ---

    That said, if the scheme delivers on its stated objectives of bringing fibre broadband to 542,000 homes located in the most broadband-deprived areas, it will transform the country.

    When combined with commercial fibre rollouts, the National Broadband Plan (NBP) could see up to 90 per cent of the State’s two million homes and businesses equipped with the gold standard of internet connectivity, fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) broadband, within the next five years, catapulting Ireland from broadband laggard into high-tech hub along the lines of Singapore.

    “It will change how we’re perceived; it will change foreign direct investment; it will change the ability of companies to locate outside of Dublin; it will give people the ability to work from home; it will transform education and health,” an industry source said. “It will genuinely make us a digital economy.”

    ---


  • #1618
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    As I posted previously eir retail have 85% of rural FTTH connections. According to the most recent Comreg data report:

    So now you're going to have another 30 or however many operators trying to compete with these behemoths. You can see how the economics don't stack up which is why many of them are complaining. They can see the writing on the wall.

    I doubt if they would offer triple play.

    I'm familiar with two parts of the country where FTTH is available and this is anecdotal obviously, but in the east of the country where I am, nobody seems to bother advertising and Eir get the connections by default almost. In other places like Mayo, you have retailers like Westnet who have advertised heavily on the ground, and from I can see are getting the business. So, until other potential (ex wireless) operators do the same and actually make an effort in their own backyards, then I won't be convinced by this argument.


  • #1619
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    plodder wrote: »
    I'm familiar with two parts of the country where FTTH is available and this is anecdotal obviously, but in the east of the country where I am, nobody seems to bother advertising and Eir get the connections by default almost. In other places like Mayo, you have retailers like Westnet who have advertised heavily on the ground, and from I can see are getting the business. So, until other potential (ex wireless) operators do the same and actually make an effort in their own backyards, then I won't be convinced by this argument.

    im on westnet fixed wireless, they are my preferred option for ftth. i agree i think wisps have a great chance if they treated their previous customers with a good service ,most will, if offered stay with them for ftth, its upto to wisps to see the new market and jump aboard.


  • #1620
    jeepster_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭jeepster_ie


    allanpkr wrote: »
    im on westnet fixed wireless, they are my preferred option for ftth. i agree i think wisps have a great chance if they treated their previous customers with a good service ,most will, if offered stay with them for ftth, its upto to wisps to see the new market and jump aboard.

    Customer loyalty is fickle IMO if for example eir can offer for a cheaper price even just for the first year. Many people dont take the second year price hike into account - they are just thinking of the current years costs. I think its inevitable that some of the wisps will fall by the wayside because of this - their product differentiation is gone. Time will tell I suppose.


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  • #1621
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    jeepster_ie wrote: »
    Customer loyalty is fickle IMO if for example eir can offer for a cheaper price even just for the first year. Many people dont take the second year price hike into account - they are just thinking of the current years costs. I think its inevitable that some of the wisps will fall by the wayside because of this - their product differentiation is gone. Time will tell I suppose.

    Your logic has a big flaw and no: eir is not cheaper:

    - Eir on their current 150 Mbit/s bundle is 40.99 EUR for 6 months, then 65.99 EUR. 99.99 EUR installation. A standalone broadband package is more expensive. That's a total of 741.87 EUR the first year.

    - Westnet is 45 EUR for 150 Mbit/s standalone broadband. No installation fee. That is 540 EUR the first year ... a lot cheaper than Eir.

    - Airwire is 49 EUR for 150 Mbit/s standalone broadband on OpenEIRs network and 45 EUR for 150 Mbit/s on SIROs network. Installation varies on network, but also works out cheaper on their 18 months contracts.

    Plenty more examples where those come from.

    And then there is the next culprit: what makes you believe, that Eir is going to offer service on NBIs NBP infrastructure ?

    Eir do not operate on SIRO, they do not use the government MANs. They matter of fact do not use any third party networks AT ALL. Only their own fibre.

    So the chances of you being able to get fibre service of them in the NBP infrastructure is zilch, nada, bogus.

    /M


  • #1622
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    And then there is the next culprit: what makes you believe, that Eir is going to offer service on NBIs NBP infrastructure ?

    Eir do not operate on SIRO, they do not use the government MANs. They matter of fact do not use any third party networks AT ALL. Only their own fibre.

    So the chances of you being able to get fibre service of them in the NBP infrastructure is zilch, nada, bogus.

    My thinking is they will be available over NBI's network or lose out on a potential half a million customers.

    In SIRO areas they currently have a parallel high speed copper network offering FTTC which will be upgraded to fibre in due course, an option not available in rural areas.


  • #1623
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    My thinking is they will be available over NBI's network or lose out on a potential half a million customers.

    In SIRO areas they currently have a parallel high speed copper network offering FTTC which will be upgraded to fibre in due course, an option not available in rural areas.

    If they don't extend their own rural network of course they will sell on the NBI network. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. I'm pretty sure Carolan Lennon even said as much.


  • #1624
    Poulgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Poulgorm


    OpenEir, with their FTTH 330,000 rural rollout, have passed a lot of properties on FTTC: if the FTTC speed was a minimum of 30 Mb/s, these houses were not offered FTTH - even though the new fibre cable was passing their door.

    Will OpenEir return and "backfill" those premises, over the next few years?

    Or will these households have to wait for the government scheme to roll out?

    Or will they not be included in either scheme, as 30 Mb/s is regarded (quite incorrectly) as fast broadband?

    30 Mb/s is adequate if there is only a single user in a property, but not if there are multiple users.


  • #1625
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Poulgorm wrote: »
    OpenEir, with their FTTH 330,000 rural rollout, have passed a lot of properties on FTTC: if the FTTC speed was a minimum of 30 Mb/s, these houses were not offered FTTH - even though the new fibre cable was passing their door.

    Will OpenEir return and "backfill" those premises, over the next few years?

    Or will these households have to wait for the government scheme to roll out?

    Or will they not be included in either scheme, as 30 Mb/s is regarded (quite incorrectly) as fast broadband?

    30 Mb/s is adequate if there is only a single user in a property, but not if there are multiple users.

    A lot of these premises are essentially in limbo now. They are neither in the NBP nor open eir's urban FTTH plan. I don't know what is going to be done with them but whatever it is it will not be happening any time soon.


  • #1626
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Poulgorm wrote: »
    OpenEir, with their FTTH 330,000 rural rollout, have passed a lot of properties on FTTC: if the FTTC speed was a minimum of 30 Mb/s, these houses were not offered FTTH - even though the new fibre cable was passing their door.

    Will OpenEir return and "backfill" those premises, over the next few years?

    Or will these households have to wait for the government scheme to roll out?

    Or will they not be included in either scheme, as 30 Mb/s is regarded (quite incorrectly) as fast broadband?

    30 Mb/s is adequate if there is only a single user in a property, but not if there are multiple users.
    The backfill looks arbitrary. Here's a row of houses near Ventry. First is the original 300K and the other after the extra 30K
    495697.png495698.png


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  • #1627
    jeepster_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭jeepster_ie


    Marlow wrote: »
    And then there is the next culprit: what makes you believe, that Eir is going to offer service on NBIs NBP infrastructure ?

    I used eir as an example for a larger provider, wasnt talking about them specifically. Ultimately its a business decision for them but they either totally wave bye-bye half a million potential customers or the spend their own money on extending out their existing rural fibre infrastructure. I can't see how either of these options is acceptable to a private company.

    As for the pricing, your dead right with the current pricing. But if eir were to offer their services on the NBI infrastructure then they have more scope to squeeze on the smaller competition with reduced pricing like they have done before - if they choose to.

    When I get my FTTH connection next year I wont be touching eir with a bargepole. My plan is to go with a smaller provider. The more competition the better. I just cant see all the existing smaller providers surviving unfortunately


  • #1628
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    im not sure the nbp was needed cause eir or any major player didnt want to take ftth if it was a little more expensive in parts of rural ireland . i personally wouldnt go with eir if they gave it to me. its not just about price , aftercare is everything to me. and complaining to eir is beyond a joke to get them to do anything to help.
    westnet for me , looked after me for yrs, always helpful always prompt. they deserve my money.


  • #1629
    westyIrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    allanpkr wrote: »
    im not sure the nbp was needed cause eir or any major player didnt want to take ftth if it was a little more expensive in parts of rural ireland . i personally wouldnt go with eir if they gave it to me. its not just about price , aftercare is everything to me. and complaining to eir is beyond a joke to get them to do anything to help.
    westnet for me , looked after me for yrs, always helpful always prompt. they deserve my money.

    Is there a reason you don't use capital letters? It makes your posts extremely difficult to read.


  • #1630
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    westyIrl wrote: »
    Is there a reason you don't use capital letters? It makes your posts extremely difficult to read.

    really? Really? your little dig today..lol. extremely difficult, i cant believe that,, but to keep the peace im sorry.


  • #1631
    westyIrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    allanpkr wrote: »
    really? Really? your little dig today..lol. extremely difficult, i cant believe that,, but to keep the peace im sorry.


    Just letting you know it's difficult to read and was curious if there was a reason. It wasn't meant as a dig at all. I'm sorry if you took it up that way.


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  • #1632
    allanpkr
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    westyIrl wrote: »
    Just letting you know it's difficult to read and was curious if there was a reason. It wasn't meant as a dig at all. I'm sorry if you took it up that way.

    well to be honest with my big finger and my crap tablet it takes me long enough just hitting right letter , which i often dont , so putting in caps would make me throw this tablet across room.


  • #1633
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    I don't think this was posted, apologies if it has been, but here is the press release from yesterday's announcement. An interesting line in it is:
    Primarily FTTH will be deployed, with in the order of 2% of premises via a high standard wireless connection which will also be upgraded over time.

    Better than 5% anyway.

    There is also a full list of the BCPs at the end.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e15062-high-speed-broadband-for-11m-people-in-homes-schools-businesses-acro/


  • #1634
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Yeah, I had a look for the community centres and such places they promised ........ yeah, right ...... one community centre and one lighthouse and the rest national schools here it seems.
    Not what one might call useful to the general population .... but it is good to see the schools being a priority.


  • #1635
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    RIght. So they commit to Spendimg three billion plus. And expect whatever amount of customers. I see a flaw in their plan , do they think the takeup will be large , when you can now get 4g wireless for ten euro a month and no doubt 5g at that cost too In a few years ?! If they think all these houses will pay e50-60 month plus got bruadband , they are wrong. Of course wireless broadband won’t be an option for everyone. But not everyone needs the speed to stream ten 4K Netflix streams simultaneously...


  • #1636
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I see a flaw in their plan , do they think the takeup will be large , when you can now get 4g wireless for ten euro a month and no doubt 5g at that cost too In a few years ?!

    4g mobile for a tenner a month (GoMo) is in no way a home broadband solution. It is limited at 80 gigs per month, a family would blow through that in less than a week if they had to rely on that for everything.

    5g is not rural friendly, it is expensive and lots more towers would be needed to get decent 5g coverage all over rural Ireland. 5g is really for urban areas.

    Wireless is in no way a solution for any proper future proofednetwork, it is too patchy, has limited data and still prone to all sorts of line of sight and distance problems. See the Imagine thread to find out how wonderful wireless is.


  • #1637
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    RIght. So they commit to Spendimg three billion plus. And expect whatever amount of customers. I see a flaw in their plan , do they think the takeup will be large , when you can now get 4g wireless for ten euro a month and no doubt 5g at that cost too In a few years ?! If they think all these houses will pay e50-60 month plus got bruadband , they are wrong. Of course wireless broadband won’t be an option for everyone. But not everyone needs the speed to stream ten 4K Netflix streams simultaneously...

    Where did you come from? It's a max of €2.6Bn, over 25 years of the network

    My 4g wireless last night was about 0.5 Mbps. Right now, at about half past midnight it's 4.5 Mbps.

    5G needs fibre-fed towers a couple of hundred meters apart. How many of them and how much fibre runs, site purchases, planning permissions, "5G is the devil incarnete' protests are you gonna deal with?


  • #1638
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Only so much they can do but it's crazy looking at the map, you see the tendril of eirs rural fibre sprawling out from villages and towns but then in the actual built up areas you've large swaths of orange if you go too far into a development.

    Currently i'm 1 house too far for Virgin and 100m too far for the Eirs rural FTTH.


  • #1639
    westyIrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    I don't think this was posted, apologies if it has been, but here is the press release from yesterday's announcement. An interesting line in it is:



    Better than 5% anyway.

    There is also a full list of the BCPs at the end.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e15062-high-speed-broadband-for-11m-people-in-homes-schools-businesses-acro/

    I got this impression from listening to Peter Hendrick over the past few days too. He was of the view that they would want to supply fiber to whoever needed it. I'm sure it won't work out 100% that way but it is a good indication of intent.


  • #1640
    BobMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭BobMc


    I think take up will be fairly significant I consider good reliable fast broadband as a must have utility the same as I consider electricy, besides entertainments, its used for a multitude of other important household items, The younger generations and those with young families etc will see its advantage, my own older parents see its advantage with FTTH being installed this week (lucky buggers)


  • #1641
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    If they don't extend their own rural network of course they will sell on the NBI network. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. I'm pretty sure Carolan Lennon even said as much.

    It is more likely that they extend their network to the 100k+ premises they identified as commercially viable and forget about the remainder.

    Take up on the existing FTTH networks is 10-15% at best. So the NBP may not see much more initially. It has had more media coverage, but as the pricepoint is higher than existing networks, that may hamper it.

    So from the view of Eir retail, that is a potential 50k customers in the first 3-4 years. Customers that they more than likely don't have in the first place. So with them also owning Eir mobile, they have bigger fish to fry.

    If they were bothered about those 540k, they would not have left the NBP bidding process. And to start selling through a third party network would be a massive and progressive change in policies. Something eircom plc (eir and OpenEir) not precisely is known for.

    It is more likely that Virgin starts selling on SIRO and the NBP infrastructure, than that Eir retail ever will consider it. Eircom PLC already makes money from pole rental etc. One more reason, they aren't bothered.

    And on Virgin .. it was actually leaked in September, that they are considering SIRO: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/virgin-media-may-hook-up-with-siro-to-bring-broadband-to-rural-areas-1.4031691 .. that is a massive step for Virgin. It would even be a bigger step for Eir to offer services using any third party network.

    /M


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  • #1642
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    More unfounded speculation and figures that you can't know. All that the Virgin anecdote shows is that companies adapt to their best interests. If eir feel it is in their commercial interest they'll join. To say there is zilch, nada chance is nonsense.


  • #1643
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The majority of this thread is speculation. Simply because the information is not available.

    But history tends to repeat itself.

    /M


  • #1644
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    The majority of this thread is speculation. Simply because the information is not available.

    But history tends to repeat itself.

    /M

    I suppose we'll see in time what unfolds.


  • #1645
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    I emailed the department regarding my issue
    No reply 2 days later


  • #1646
    Gary kk
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Marlow wrote: »

    Take up on the existing FTTH networks is 10-15% at best. So the NBP may not see much more initially. It has had more media coverage, but as the pricepoint is higher than existing networks, that may hamper it

    /M

    To be fair I would get a lot more from eir for the same price I pay my current provider.

    And sure up take will increase.


  • #1647
    ussjtrunks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    What about houses with old ducts etc that go through fields, mine seems to go underground for 200-300 metres because of electricity wires. Does that make an install much harder, should I look into getting it cleaned or would the people laying the fibre do that?


  • #1648
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    What about houses with old ducts etc that go through fields, mine seems to go underground for 200-300 metres because of electricity wires. Does that make an install much harder, should I look into getting it cleaned or would the people laying the fibre do that?

    Highly unlikely they'll clean it. I would start looking at getting it done yourself.


  • #1649
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    I have a list of what I believe are NBI OLT locations. This is comparable to the eir exchange and it is where the fibre runs for a given area will start. I think the closer you are to one of these locations the quicker you are likely to be connected when they start building. There are 227 locations in total, too many to put in a table here so I made a spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11hSbc0gWICHmVIVuXsN9myxoHnaZUwj1N96sBQdyqFQ/edit?usp=sharing


  • #1650
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Marlow wrote: »
    It is more likely that they extend their network to the 100k+ premises they identified as commercially viable and forget about the remainder.

    Take up on the existing FTTH networks is 10-15% at best. So the NBP may not see much more initially. It has had more media coverage, but as the pricepoint is higher than existing networks, that may hamper it.

    So from the view of Eir retail, that is a potential 50k customers in the first 3-4 years. Customers that they more than likely don't have in the first place. So with them also owning Eir mobile, they have bigger fish to fry.

    If they were bothered about those 540k, they would not have left the NBP bidding process. And to start selling through a third party network would be a massive and progressive change in policies. Something eircom plc (eir and OpenEir) not precisely is known for.
    ...
    /M
    I think they left the NBP because of the cost outlay in terms of the build-out (and new wholesale division, etc.), not because they didn't care about the 504k potential customers. Eir are part infrastructure company, part service provider (broadband/tv). The service provision side of the company absolutely will want their piece of a market of 504k potential customers. They've been touting the fact they're trying to catch up to Vodafone in terms of national coverage. (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/eir-mobile-network-investment-ireland-4g-5g)
    In that respect, they're going to be looking to sell mobile along with tv and broadband across the country, and sell hard.


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  • #1651
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    What about houses with old ducts etc that go through fields, mine seems to go underground for 200-300 metres because of electricity wires. Does that make an install much harder, should I look into getting it cleaned or would the people laying the fibre do that?

    Apparently ducting will be included in the connection fee up to €5k I think but that will likely delay your installation so if you can get it repaired relatively cheaply I'd do that.


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