Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » I don't think this was posted, apologies if it has been, but here is the press release from yesterday's announcement. An interesting line in it is: Better than 5% anyway. There is also a full list of the BCPs at the end.https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e15062-high-speed-broadband-for-11m-people-in-homes-schools-businesses-acro/
Idbatterim wrote: » RIght. So they commit to Spendimg three billion plus. And expect whatever amount of customers. I see a flaw in their plan , do they think the takeup will be large , when you can now get 4g wireless for ten euro a month and no doubt 5g at that cost too In a few years ?! If they think all these houses will pay e50-60 month plus got bruadband , they are wrong. Of course wireless broadband won’t be an option for everyone. But not everyone needs the speed to stream ten 4K Netflix streams simultaneously...
Idbatterim wrote: » I see a flaw in their plan , do they think the takeup will be large , when you can now get 4g wireless for ten euro a month and no doubt 5g at that cost too In a few years ?!
Primarily FTTH will be deployed, with in the order of 2% of premises via a high standard wireless connection which will also be upgraded over time.
westyIrl wrote: » Just letting you know it's difficult to read and was curious if there was a reason. It wasn't meant as a dig at all. I'm sorry if you took it up that way.
allanpkr wrote: » really? Really? your little dig today..lol. extremely difficult, i cant believe that,, but to keep the peace im sorry.
westyIrl wrote: » Is there a reason you don't use capital letters? It makes your posts extremely difficult to read.
allanpkr wrote: » im not sure the nbp was needed cause eir or any major player didnt want to take ftth if it was a little more expensive in parts of rural ireland . i personally wouldnt go with eir if they gave it to me. its not just about price , aftercare is everything to me. and complaining to eir is beyond a joke to get them to do anything to help. westnet for me , looked after me for yrs, always helpful always prompt. they deserve my money.
Marlow wrote: » And then there is the next culprit: what makes you believe, that Eir is going to offer service on NBIs NBP infrastructure ?
Poulgorm wrote: » OpenEir, with their FTTH 330,000 rural rollout, have passed a lot of properties on FTTC: if the FTTC speed was a minimum of 30 Mb/s, these houses were not offered FTTH - even though the new fibre cable was passing their door. Will OpenEir return and "backfill" those premises, over the next few years? Or will these households have to wait for the government scheme to roll out? Or will they not be included in either scheme, as 30 Mb/s is regarded (quite incorrectly) as fast broadband? 30 Mb/s is adequate if there is only a single user in a property, but not if there are multiple users.
The Cush wrote: » My thinking is they will be available over NBI's network or lose out on a potential half a million customers. In SIRO areas they currently have a parallel high speed copper network offering FTTC which will be upgraded to fibre in due course, an option not available in rural areas.
Marlow wrote: » And then there is the next culprit: what makes you believe, that Eir is going to offer service on NBIs NBP infrastructure ? Eir do not operate on SIRO, they do not use the government MANs. They matter of fact do not use any third party networks AT ALL. Only their own fibre. So the chances of you being able to get fibre service of them in the NBP infrastructure is zilch, nada, bogus.
jeepster_ie wrote: » Customer loyalty is fickle IMO if for example eir can offer for a cheaper price even just for the first year. Many people dont take the second year price hike into account - they are just thinking of the current years costs. I think its inevitable that some of the wisps will fall by the wayside because of this - their product differentiation is gone. Time will tell I suppose.
allanpkr wrote: » im on westnet fixed wireless, they are my preferred option for ftth. i agree i think wisps have a great chance if they treated their previous customers with a good service ,most will, if offered stay with them for ftth, its upto to wisps to see the new market and jump aboard.
plodder wrote: » I'm familiar with two parts of the country where FTTH is available and this is anecdotal obviously, but in the east of the country where I am, nobody seems to bother advertising and Eir get the connections by default almost. In other places like Mayo, you have retailers like Westnet who have advertised heavily on the ground, and from I can see are getting the business. So, until other potential (ex wireless) operators do the same and actually make an effort in their own backyards, then I won't be convinced by this argument.
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » As I posted previously eir retail have 85% of rural FTTH connections. According to the most recent Comreg data report: So now you're going to have another 30 or however many operators trying to compete with these behemoths. You can see how the economics don't stack up which is why many of them are complaining. They can see the writing on the wall. I doubt if they would offer triple play.
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » That would be my take on it also. Although, to be fair, a lot of these companies invested money and provided service where there was none over many years. I suppose it would be quite galling to have your efforts undermined, in their eyes, in such a way so I do have some sympathy for them. However, for the greater good I think it best that the plan went ahead.
heavydawson wrote: » Thanks Navi. So to paraphrase, they're worried about their effective monopoly in the regions being open to competition (and the state paying to end the monopoly). Am I grossly misrepresenting the scenario? I'm being facetious to a point, but I feel there's some truth to it.
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » NBI are not the threat as such. It is the fact that they will facilitate the entry of large multinational organisations such as eir, Sky, Virgin and Vodafone into markets where they previously didn't exist to any great extent. As I posted previously eir retail have 85% of rural FTTH connections. According to the most recent Comreg data report: So now you're going to have another 30 or however many operators trying to compete with these behemoths. You can see how the economics don't stack up which is why many of them are complaining. They can see the writing on the wall. I doubt if they would offer triple play.
heavydawson wrote: » Given that NBI are acting as a wholesale company, how are they a competitive threat to existing ISPs? Surely it affords those ISPs an additional product line in terms of offering a fibre product. We've seen this with existing regional WISPs partnering with SIRO,etc to expand their service. If Nova jump on the NBI scheme when it's ready, it's them I'd be looking at as my ISP. Quick question. Is it possible for whole-salers like NBI to offer triple-play for resale? (content only, not presentation/branding obvs) Is there any precedent for this? Or is that left up to the providers always?
According to the data received from operators for Q2 2019, Eir had 32.2% of total retail fixed broadband subscriptions, followed by Virgin Media who had 26.3% of subscriptions. Vodafone had 18.9% (excluding mobile broadband subscriptions) and Sky Ireland had a 13.4% market share. All other OAOs combined accounted for the remaining 9.2% share of retail fixed broadband subscriptions.
allanpkr wrote: » so much due diligence was done by nbp and then eu, i think any legal case brought would struggle to win. however if they were foolhardy to try, i dont think this would delay the build.
BarryM wrote: » For my area the BCP is shown in one place by the 'broadband officer' and DCCAE and in another place on NBI!!
