NBP part II

oscarBravo

The old NBP thread had hit the 10,000-post threshold that makes the boards.ie hamsters cry, so here's a shiny new one.

medoc

oscarBravo wrote: »

The old NBP thread had hit the 10,000-post threshold that makes the boards.ie hamsters cry, so here's a shiny new one.

Hopefully there won’t be a part 3 but unfortunately there most likely will.

Johnboy1951

I wonder how long before this one hits 10,000 posts

ussjtrunks

How many parts will we have before everyone sees fibre I wonder

turbbo

medoc wrote: »

Hopefully there won’t be a part 3 but unfortunately there most likely will.

This is part 3!! Title of thread should be changed!

heavydawson

Reminder that RISPA are on at 2:
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/cr1-live/

Persiancowboy

heavydawson wrote: »

Reminder that RISPA are on at 2:
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/cr1-live/

Think these goons commissioned economist Colm McCarthy to do some "analysis" on the NBP some years ago. He's one of the Doheny & Nesbitt School of Economics and one of these guys who thinks the world starts and stops at the Red Cow Roundabout.

In any normal country they'd be laughed out of it but given the calibre of the likes of Dooley and Stanley on the Oireachtas Committee it's very likely they'll be received with open arms and the Department asked to go off and waste more time by analysing their business case.

ED E

oscarBravo wrote: »

The old NBP thread had hit the 10,000-post threshold that makes the boards.ie hamsters cry, so here's a shiny new one.

You.....you killed my baby...you monster :pac:

oscarBravo

ED E wrote: »

You.....you killed my baby...you monster :pac:

It had fulfilled its destiny.

Marlow

Persiancowboy wrote: »

Think these goons commissioned economist Colm McCarthy to do some "analysis" on the NBP some years ago. He's one of the Doheny & Nesbitt School of Economics and one of these guys who thinks the world starts and stops at the Red Cow Roundabout.

Different group. That was Wispa. Rispa was only formed end last year.

/M

heavydawson

Not a very convincing performance from either side today. The committee were poorly briefed on the wireless technology, and the one member who should be (Lawless) spent half his speaking time sympathising with them before outlining his concerns. They were repeatedly let assert that because the wireless technology would be used for 2% of the NBP, it satisfied the technological criteria for the other 98%. The chair was the only person who I believed was challenging the figures being thrown out.

Pique

Marcus Matthews on Ivan Yates just now.

Orebro

heavydawson wrote: »

Reminder that RISPA are on at 2:
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/cr1-live/

The turkeys have arrived in an attempt to cancel Christmas.

clohamon

heavydawson wrote: »

Not a very convincing performance from either side today. The committee were poorly briefed on the wireless technology, and the one member who should be (Lawless) spent half his speaking time sympathising with them before outlining his concerns. They were repeatedly let assert that because the wireless technology would be used for 2% of the NBP, it satisfied the technological criteria for the other 98%. The chair was the only person who I believed was challenging the figures being thrown out.

Deputy Lawless had some previous with Imagine.
https://jameslawless.ie/coverage-announced-rural-broadband-kildare-north/

On speeds, it's only luck and a bit of finesse by the Dept that has raised the minimum to 150Mb/s. The NGA/DAE specification is still 30Mb/s (min).

They seemed to be hoping for a GBS type voucher scheme. Anyone that remembers the GBS will know that it got bogged down in bureaucracy and had to be abandoned.

BarryM

I was over in Bantry the last couple of days. The square was littered with (brand new, Dublin registered) eir vans.

One of them was towing a cable trailer with a heavy black cable. Afaik, fibre of that size is orange? So, were they running copper?

There is pole strung fibre in various places around the town, on a casual survey.

tsue921i8wljb3

BarryM wrote: »

I was over in Bantry the last couple of days. The square was littered with (brand new, Dublin registered) eir vans.

One of them was towing a cable trailer with a heavy black cable. Afaik, fibre of that size is orange? So, were they running copper?

There is pole strung fibre in various places around the town, on a casual survey.

The fibre cable they use is black. The orange reels you may see are sub-duct which would be installed underground before fibre.

celticbhoy27

Welcome news https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1151514140516769792?s=09

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1151514530066964480?s=09

clohamon

RISPA's submission (the plan) to the Oireachtas Committee.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4unlmidavv4n09v/Submission%20to%20Communications%20Committee.pdf?dl=0

tsue921i8wljb3

Q4 2019 for rollout start.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-sets-date-for-rollout-of-national-broadband-plan-38322370.html

westyIrl

Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »

Q4 2019 for rollout start.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-sets-date-for-rollout-of-national-broadband-plan-38322370.html

Just piggy-backing on your post Navi. Press release by DCCAE today in relation to the above.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/news-and-media/press-releases/Pages/Press-Release-Minister-Bruton-Updates-Government-on-the-National-Broadband-Plan.aspx

I'm holding my breath for an Eir response that I hope won't come.

Jim

tsue921i8wljb3

westyIrl wrote: »

Just piggy-backing on your post Navi. Press release by DCCAE today in relation to the above.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/news-and-media/press-releases/Pages/Press-Release-Minister-Bruton-Updates-Government-on-the-National-Broadband-Plan.aspx

I'm holding my breath for an Eir response that I hope won't come.

Jim

Yep. I'm anticipating something similar myself.

celticbhoy27

Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »

Yep. I'm anticipating something similar myself.

Think they've had their chance. I'm sure theyl release something but the fear of them delaying the rollout has passed imo

ECO_Mental

From the DCCAE website

"150Mbps broadband product available for consumers upgraded to 300Mbps by year 6 and 500Mbps by year 10"

Are they capping the DL speeds to 150mbs? this is enough for the vast majority of people, but I'd like the option of going to 1Gbs.

ED E

ECO_Mental wrote: »

From the DCCAE website

"150Mbps broadband product available for consumers upgraded to 300Mbps by year 6 and 500Mbps by year 10"

Are they capping the DL speeds to 150mbs? this is enough for the vast majority of people, but I'd like the option of going to 1Gbs.

Thats minimums.

theguzman

It will be interesting to see what sort a strategy will they adapt once they finally start rolling it out. Will they target the worst areas first or will they start the build out from where EIR has left off. It seems they will be renting the poles from Eir and stringing the Fibre out using EIR's poles and ducts is the general consensus. I'm 2km from my local exchange on 12mb ADSL2+ 0.6mb upload. Alot of the areas which had absolutely nothing near me have got EIR's FTTH already but obviously concentrated along main roads etc.

tsue921i8wljb3

celticbhoy27 wrote: »

Think they've had their chance. I'm sure theyl release something but the fear of them delaying the rollout has passed imo

Brave assertion. I would not share your optimism.

BandMember

theguzman wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what sort a strategy will they adapt once they finally start rolling it out. Will they target the worst areas first or will they start the build out from where EIR has left off. It seems they will be renting the poles from Eir and stringing the Fibre out using EIR's poles and ducts is the general consensus. I'm 2km from my local exchange on 12mb ADSL2+ 0.6mb upload. Alot of the areas which had absolutely nothing near me have got EIR's FTTH already but obviously concentrated along main roads etc.

They're bound to go for a lot of easy wins first - it's all about optics and stats, need to get visible results quickly to kill any bad press and/or opposition (T.D.'s mainly) rumblings.

theguzman

BandMember wrote: »

They're bound to go for a lot of easy wins first - it's all about optics and stats, need to get visible results quickly to kill any bad press and/or opposition (T.D.'s mainly) rumblings.

Yeah probably places in Donegal, remote parts of Kerry etc. It will all be about delivering positive PR after the sh1tstorm the WISP's managed to stir up against it.

tsue921i8wljb3

110 deployment areas of 5000 premises each. Works to commence in all counties within the first 12 months is the plan.

wexfordman2

BandMember wrote: »

theguzman wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what sort a strategy will they adapt once they finally start rolling it out. Will they target the worst areas first or will they start the build out from where EIR has left off. It seems they will be renting the poles from Eir and stringing the Fibre out using EIR's poles and ducts is the general consensus. I'm 2km from my local exchange on 12mb ADSL2+ 0.6mb upload. Alot of the areas which had absolutely nothing near me have got EIR's FTTH already but obviously concentrated along main roads etc.

They're bound to go for a lot of easy wins first - it's all about optics and stats, need to get visible results quickly to kill any bad press and/or opposition (T.D.'s mainly) rumblings.

But what constitutes an easy win ?

I suspect, my area for example, where we have about 15 houses on a 1 mile stretch of road, islanded by eirs rural fibre deployment. We are less than a mile from fibre, but its eir rural fibre, and if my understanding is correct, they wont be extending on from this, but running new fibre from distribution point many miles away, so low return for large effort. Frustrating, but I suspect areas like this will be nearly the last to be done.

user1842

Im just waiting for EIR to say they will do an extra 200,000 homes in addition to their 300,000+ roll-out.