VW e-Up!

September1 · 20-11-2019 8:28pm #1

It seems that price in Czechia is pretty low https://pushevs.com/2019/11/20/volkswagen-e-up-price-in-czech-republic-is-surprising/ at 18162 euros without subsidies and 21% VAT included. This would translate to 13462 euros here after VAT and SEAI adjustment.

Kramer · 20-11-2019 8:41pm

September1 wrote: »

This would translate to 13462 euros here after VAT and SEAI adjustment.

Are you a comedian?

Mike9832 · 20-11-2019 9:02pm

It's not coming here

Only 14 countries getting it

liamog · 20-11-2019 9:09pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

It's not coming here

Only 14 countries getting it

Where's that come from? I know the Seat Mii Electric is due to only hit 14 countries, but I've not seen any info re planned markets for the new e-Up! It's due early next year in the UK.

embraer170 · 20-11-2019 9:59pm

September1 wrote: »

It seems that price in Czechia is pretty low https://pushevs.com/2019/11/20/volkswagen-e-up-price-in-czech-republic-is-surprising/ at 18162 euros without subsidies and 21% VAT included. This would translate to 13462 euros here after VAT and SEAI adjustment.

Apparently limited to the first 50 cars

That said, people in Germany are being quoted 15000-15500 euros for a reasonably well equipped Seat Mii/Škoda equivalent (after the government subsididy).

Mike9832 · 20-11-2019 10:20pm

liamog wrote: »

Where's that come from? I know the Seat Mii Electric is due to only hit 14 countries, but I've not seen any info re planned markets for the new e-Up! It's due early next year in the UK.

Speakev

It's the same for all

None of the triplets coming to Ireland

Like original e-up

liamog · 20-11-2019 11:02pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Speakev

It's the same for all

None of the triplets coming to Ireland

Like original e-up

Ahh good, we can discount that then, Mil Electric is coming to
Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Great Britain, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Poland. (14 not including Czechia) (https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-order-soon-for-20650e/)

If there is pricing for Czechia for the e-Up then we can say that the 14 countries has been disproven. No sign yet of any Irish intention, if I was VW Ireland, I'd plan to bring them in for Summer 2020. They will have a big VW e-Mobility marketing push inline with the Euro's and the ID.3 launch.

Mike9832 · 21-11-2019 12:09am

liamog wrote: »

Ahh good, we can discount that then, Mil Electric is coming to
Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Great Britain, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Poland. (14 not including Czechia) (https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-order-soon-for-20650e/)

If there is pricing for Czechia for the e-Up then we can say that the 14 countries has been disproven. No sign yet of any Irish intention, if I was VW Ireland, I'd plan to bring them in for Summer 2020. They will have a big VW e-Mobility marketing push inline with the Euro's and the ID.3 launch.

They obviously don't care

If it was coming here we would know already

It ain't coming, that should be pretty obvious already

They want to sell ID3 only here

liamog · 21-11-2019 12:42am

Mike9832 wrote: »

If it was coming here we would know already
It ain't coming, that should be pretty obvious already

Not long ago, there was much certainty that Ireland would only get the ID.3 Plus model just like the UK.

Unsourced speculation delivered as certainty is a problem, this thread started with pricing on a car from a country that a poster claimed indirectly was not getting it all. Of course, none of this means the e-Up! will come to Ireland, but at least point out it's your opinion instead of making it seem like a fact.

embraer170 · 25-11-2019 11:19am

A reasonably equipped Skoda Citygo (with an extended warranty) can be had for about €16,000 in Germany after all the subsidies.

I am hesitating between that a well equipped e-Golf for €26,000. In both cases, it would be second family car for city runs (and 150km/day round trip commute for a year or so).

In either cases, I hope to hold on to the car for a good number of years.

kris_2021 · 26-11-2019 11:46am

embraer170 wrote: »

A reasonably equipped Skoda Citygo (with an extended warranty) can be had for about €16,000 in Germany after all the subsidies.

I am hesitating between that a well equipped e-Golf for €26,000. In both cases, it would be second family car for city runs (and 150km/day round trip commute for a year or so).

In either cases, I hope to hold on to the car for a good number of years.

Where u can get egolf for 26k?

beauf · 26-11-2019 1:48pm

embraer170 wrote: »

A reasonably equipped Skoda Citygo (with an extended warranty) can be had for about €16,000 in Germany after all the subsidies.

I am hesitating between that a well equipped e-Golf for €26,000. In both cases, it would be second family car for city runs (and 150km/day round trip commute for a year or so).

In either cases, I hope to hold on to the car for a good number of years.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a !Up a couple of years back, (replaving a K11 micra) in the end I went for a older Golf (both cars petrol) because the Golf was just more practical for seating 5 if I needed it, and has a half decent boot. which I needed at the time. The Golf is a 1.6. But if I continue to run a second car, I'd hope to switch to something lower running costs, which will be a 1.0 or a EV.

embraer170 · 26-11-2019 11:20pm

kris_2021 wrote: »

Where u can get egolf for 26k?

If you are living in Germany. A basic Egolf without options can be bad for 22k after incentives (without a trade in).

irelandjnr · 17-03-2020 9:02pm

Local garage isn’t get the e-up! Doesn’t seem to be coming to Ireland. Importing from UK. Wonder what the on the road total cost might be?

unkel · 17-03-2020 10:43pm

There is a second hand one in Ireland coming up for sale in a few months. When I last looked it was the only e-up! in Ireland. And it's owned by the moderator of this forum

159conor · 18-03-2020 12:31am

unkel wrote: »

There is a second hand one in Ireland coming up for sale in a few months. When I last looked it was the only e-up! in Ireland. And it's owned by the moderator of this forum

I think I have even seen it it was white heading into Dublin city center one day. Ive never been so excited to see an up before.

liamog · 18-03-2020 1:37am

The e-Up! is a great car, it's surprisingly spacious on the inside, it's 0-60km speed makes it a great car for using around Dublin. I like to think of it as a kitten with zoomies, I have a habit of surprising people off the line.
The ICE Up! was given a refresh in 2017, the new EV version basically has the updated interior and double the battery, it's still using the same motor and can CCS charge at 40kW.

If you are looking at a second hand one from the UK, 2014 models are listed between £11,500 and £12,000, which is about the same as they were when I bought mine in 2018.
Your main issue with purchasing a new one from the UK is the grants, if you buy brand new you won't get the UK grants or the Irish grant so you are basically adding £3,000 to the purchase price, you'll also have to pay Irish tax.
Best bet would be to find a UK dealer who has registered a demo and commit to buy it after 6 months.

As unkel mentioned, I'll be letting mine go in the summer as I'm upgrading to the Mini Electric, I'll be really sad to see it go.

embraer170 · 15-08-2020 10:43pm

A shame VW are not selling the car on the Irish market.

embraer170 wrote: »

A reasonably equipped Skoda Citygo (with an extended warranty) can be had for about €16,000 in Germany after all the subsidies.

I am hesitating between that a well equipped e-Golf for €26,000. In both cases, it would be second family car for city runs (and 150km/day round trip commute for a year or so).

In either cases, I hope to hold on to the car for a good number of years.

Not that it helps most here, but a reasonably equipped new E-Up can now be bought in Germany for about €12,500 without trade in (delivery in the 3Q 2021). The German government €6000 subsidy is pretty generous.

embraer170 · 15-08-2020 10:46pm

liamog wrote: »

The e-Up! is a great car, it's surprisingly spacious on the inside, it's 0-60km speed makes it a great car for using around Dublin. I like to think of it as a kitten with zoomies, I have a habit of surprising people off the line.
The ICE Up! was given a refresh in 2017, the new EV version basically has the updated interior and double the battery, it's still using the same motor and can CCS charge at 40kW.

If you are looking at a second hand one from the UK, 2014 models are listed between £11,500 and £12,000, which is about the same as they were when I bought mine in 2018.
Your main issue with purchasing a new one from the UK is the grants, if you buy brand new you won't get the UK grants or the Irish grant so you are basically adding £3,000 to the purchase price, you'll also have to pay Irish tax.
Best bet would be to find a UK dealer who has registered a demo and commit to buy it after 6 months.

As unkel mentioned, I'll be letting mine go in the summer as I'm upgrading to the Mini Electric, I'll be really sad to see it go.

Did you have any dealings with Irish VW dealers while owning the E-Up (serviving etc.)?

liamog · 16-08-2020 11:36am

I had my car serviced at VW Liffey Valley before it's NCT, no problems getting it booked in at all.

Mod Note: Merged the two e-Up! threads that were ongoing

embraer170 · 29-08-2020 9:38am

A real pity they are not settling the E-Up (or its Skoda/Seat siblings) in Ireland. I imagine it is a car that would sell well.

liamog · 31-08-2020 11:34am

Just got news that my Mini has been given a production date, so hopefully should be in my hands by the end of September/early October.
Ireland's one and only e-Up! will be listed for sale soon!

beauf · 31-08-2020 12:07pm

You could import it. Likewise the GTI

embraer170 · 24-03-2021 9:35pm

I got a new E-Up last weekend (based in Germany).

I have been looking at electric cars for a few years and been very tempted by a Model 3 but just could not make it work as our only car. We do 600-700km journeys a few times a year on Friday evening after work (long weekends away etc), which wouldn't be practical even with the supercharger network. Instead, decided to keep the diesel E90 for the long trips and get an E-Up as a second car.

First impressions are extremely positive. It drives like a little bumper car at an amusement park. Absolutely fantastic off the line too.

unkel · 25-03-2021 9:08pm

Well wear!

embraer170 wrote: »

very tempted by a Model 3 but just could not make it work as our only car. We do 600-700km journeys a few times a year on Friday evening after work (long weekends away etc), which wouldn't be practical even with the supercharger network.

What makes you say that? A LR Model 3 can do that trip with just one stop for charging. Surely you don't drive 600-700km after a long day in work without having at least one decent break???

embraer170 · 25-03-2021 9:50pm

unkel wrote: »

Well wear!

What makes you say that? A LR Model 3 can do that trip with just one stop for charging. Surely you don't drive 600-700km after a long day in work without having at least one decent break???

To be honest I'd buy an SR+, don't think I could justify the price an LR at this point.

Doesn't have to be a long day at work

. Roll out of work just after 4pm on Friday and if there are no bad traffic surprises, am in Italy (a little under 700km) before 11pm with a quick 30 min dinner break. All motorway, about half of it with no speed limits. It wouldn't be so easily doable in an SR+, especially in winter with heating

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unkel · 26-03-2021 12:51pm

You're looking at 2 stops with an SR+ alright. If you had to do that every Friday after work, it would be a pain. But for "a few times per year"?

Unless I was Cinderella, it wouldn't bother me to get at my destination in Italy at around midnight instead of at 11 PM a couple of times per year if that meant I would have a Tesla all those other 363 days of the year :pac:

embraer170 · 29-03-2021 9:10pm

Now for a photo of the car.

I will probably buy a set of the VW 15" blade alloys off Ebay in the coming weeks. I was a bit stingy with the options when I ordered the car.

unkel wrote: »

You're looking at 2 stops with an SR+ alright. If you
had to do that every Friday after work, it would be a pain. But for "a few times per year"?

Unless I was Cinderella, it wouldn't bother me to get at my destination in Italy at around midnight instead of at 11 PM a couple of times per year if that meant I would have a Tesla all those other 363 days of the year :pac:

I fully see what you are saying, but I am probably a fairly extreme case. As I see it, it is the hour or two that sometimes makes difference between arriving at a late but somewhat acceptable time and an inhumane hour of the night (especially with a child in the back). Since COVID I have had to travel home to Ireland by ferry a few times. Arriving in Cherbourg at 5pm or so, I am home around midnight. With an SR+, it would be closer to 2am meaning a night in a hotel on the road and another day of leave.

unkel · 29-03-2021 10:45pm

Fair enough, Cinderella :pac:

Lovely wee motor, well wear!

04-05-2021 10:08am

This could be the replacement for the e-UP!
https://daydaynews.cc/en/car/starting-from-less-than-40-000-si-hao-e10x-will-start.html

VW Partnership in China.
302KM NEDC range so probably around 240KM WLTP with largest battery.
Uses cheap Ferrous batteries.
Made in China.
If China allows rail transport of EVs to Europe then it becomes more attractive to VAG. At present China considers Lithium or product containing Lithium too dangerous to transport by train.

The VW e-up/Mii and Citigo were the largest selling EVs in Germany last quarter; https://www.best-selling-cars.com/germany/2021-q1-germany-best-selling-electric-car-brands-and-models/
If the public embrace the Dacia Spring then VAG will want to respond especially if they can find another use for their slovakia production line.

There are two types of EV cars selling well at the moment in Europe and they are 1) Tesla Model 3 and 2) bargain basement city cars including VW triplets Smart/Twingo.

liamog · 04-05-2021 12:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There are two types of EV cars selling well at the moment in Europe and they are 1) Tesla Model 3 and 2) bargain basement city cars including VW triplets Smart/Twingo.

Not too sure about that, according to https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2021/04/europe-march-2021.html the e-Up! has been outsold so far this year by the Niro, 208, Kona, ID.3 and Zoe.

The e-Up! is the only bargain city EV that shows up on the list. Have they started sales of the Dacia yet?

04-05-2021 12:39pm

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2021/04/germany-march-2021.html

add in CitiGo and Mii and they are minting it on the e-up triplets.

R&D paid for years ago. Factory built in Slovakia with low transport costs and labour costs.
It is only a question of whether they are making more money out of the e-UP than Renault are making out of the Zoe. I'd guess the e-Up is more profitable as it has a smaller battery by about 16KWh.

liamog · 04-05-2021 12:41pm

The European market is bigger than Germany, your claim was they only two types of car the Model 3 and the bargain EVs are selling well in Europe. This is clearly not true, in Europe small family EVs are selling better.

Do the German grants make the e-Up! incredibly cheap?

04-05-2021 12:58pm

6000 euro benefit from Government means that these small cars become very cheap to lease.
The CO2 credits for the manufacturer have currency across europe so yes, they are selling loads of these cars in Germany.

liamog · 04-05-2021 1:02pm

Not denying they are selling well in Germany, but looks like they don't really sell anywhere else in Europe in serious numbers.
Do we know if customers are buying them or is sales to shared car fleets so that VW can avoid fines?

04-05-2021 1:07pm

Customers are buying them but VW are rationing them through long delivery wait times.
They're mostly working off an order backlog.
VAG seems to be milking their happy position for all it is worth. They appear to be making out like a bandit while trying not to appear to be abusing the BAFA scheme. The last thing they want is for the scheme to be re-adjusted and as a side effect for PHEVs to lose incentives...it'll happen eventually as PHEV support is unjustifiable but the current situation suits them very well in that the German Taxpayer is helping them to make large margin on product and they are collecting CO2 credits to match their obligations.

liamog · 04-05-2021 1:10pm

I thought it was BMW that were gung-ho on the PHEV offensive

embraer170 · 04-05-2021 7:21pm

You haven't been able order an e-Up (or Citygo/Mii) in Germany for the past seven months. Totally sold out. Not clear if orders will open again.

cannco253 · 23-11-2022 8:15pm

Up on the VW Ireland website, was it there before?

https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/new-cars/e-up.html

liamog · 23-11-2022 9:38pm

It has appeared by accident before but never like this

Old diesel · 23-11-2022 11:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119913070#Comment_119913070

VW Ireland confirmed to me on twitter that eUp is coming.

Also a number of dealers are promoting it in done deal ads - ie order for 231 etc.

TitianGerm · 24-11-2022 12:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119912679#Comment_119912679

I posted about this appearing on the VW website about two weeks ago in the main discussion thread. Quite interested myself depending on pricing obviously.

cannco253 · 24-11-2022 12:17am

It was included on an email I received from VW Ireland today (VW Spotlight).

liamog · 24-11-2022 12:28am

It's all going to come down to pricing, if they get it right it's the perfect 2nd car for any big EV household.

Buddy Bubs · 24-11-2022 10:38am

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-up-e-up-style-all-electric/32720261

Theres the only one I see with a price listed.........not sure if that is pre or post grant but seems very expensive if it is post grant. Must be 5k to come off that to make it any way appealing

Old diesel · 24-11-2022 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914496#Comment_119914496

Based on chat with salesman this morning.

Then thats a PRE grant price.

Edit - I was talking to a different place not the dealer in that add

Old diesel · 24-11-2022 12:54pm

Quite looking forward to trying out one when they arrive.

I would like to change my Ioniq for "I want to try something else" reasons.

Buddy Bubs · 24-11-2022 1:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119915117#Comment_119915117

27 to 28k and a VW badge and a plug might make it sell here so. I imagine it will be very efficient with the small size and battery even if range won't be huge, you don't by an up! to drive cross country regularly. I'd consider one if we wanted 2nd new ev in the family

eagerv · 24-11-2022 1:14pm

If the price is reasonable, I reckon a very important car for VW and for Europe generally.

I like it, small and very smart..

fafy · 24-11-2022 3:37pm

Looks like this is being used to plug the gap, before ID2 arrives, in the next 4 years or so, there is certainly a place for it, if priced correctly, if its 28k after grant including delivery, it sounds a bit too expensive for a very small 4 seater car, when you can get say an entry level MG4 for about the same money, which is a five seater, more space, more range, more spec and has an actual screen, rather than using your phone as your screen, in the e-UP

Old diesel · 24-11-2022 4:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916204#Comment_119916204

Are these photos from today somewhere????

VW e-Up!

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