VW e-Up!

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2021/04/germany-march-2021.html

add in CitiGo and Mii and they are minting it on the e-up triplets.

R&D paid for years ago. Factory built in Slovakia with low transport costs and labour costs.
It is only a question of whether they are making more money out of the e-UP than Renault are making out of the Zoe. I'd guess the e-Up is more profitable as it has a smaller battery by about 16KWh.

liamog

The European market is bigger than Germany, your claim was they only two types of car the Model 3 and the bargain EVs are selling well in Europe. This is clearly not true, in Europe small family EVs are selling better.

Do the German grants make the e-Up! incredibly cheap?

6000 euro benefit from Government means that these small cars become very cheap to lease.
The CO2 credits for the manufacturer have currency across europe so yes, they are selling loads of these cars in Germany.

liamog

Not denying they are selling well in Germany, but looks like they don't really sell anywhere else in Europe in serious numbers.
Do we know if customers are buying them or is sales to shared car fleets so that VW can avoid fines?

Customers are buying them but VW are rationing them through long delivery wait times.
They're mostly working off an order backlog.
VAG seems to be milking their happy position for all it is worth. They appear to be making out like a bandit while trying not to appear to be abusing the BAFA scheme. The last thing they want is for the scheme to be re-adjusted and as a side effect for PHEVs to lose incentives...it'll happen eventually as PHEV support is unjustifiable but the current situation suits them very well in that the German Taxpayer is helping them to make large margin on product and they are collecting CO2 credits to match their obligations.

liamog

I thought it was BMW that were gung-ho on the PHEV offensive

embraer170

You haven't been able order an e-Up (or Citygo/Mii) in Germany for the past seven months. Totally sold out. Not clear if orders will open again.

cannco253

Up on the VW Ireland website, was it there before?

https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/new-cars/e-up.html

liamog

It has appeared by accident before but never like this

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119913070#Comment_119913070

VW Ireland confirmed to me on twitter that eUp is coming.

Also a number of dealers are promoting it in done deal ads - ie order for 231 etc.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119912679#Comment_119912679

I posted about this appearing on the VW website about two weeks ago in the main discussion thread. Quite interested myself depending on pricing obviously.

cannco253

It was included on an email I received from VW Ireland today (VW Spotlight).

liamog

It's all going to come down to pricing, if they get it right it's the perfect 2nd car for any big EV household.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-up-e-up-style-all-electric/32720261

Theres the only one I see with a price listed.........not sure if that is pre or post grant but seems very expensive if it is post grant. Must be 5k to come off that to make it any way appealing

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914496#Comment_119914496

Based on chat with salesman this morning.

Then thats a PRE grant price.

Edit - I was talking to a different place not the dealer in that add

Old diesel

Quite looking forward to trying out one when they arrive.

I would like to change my Ioniq for "I want to try something else" reasons.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119915117#Comment_119915117

27 to 28k and a VW badge and a plug might make it sell here so. I imagine it will be very efficient with the small size and battery even if range won't be huge, you don't by an up! to drive cross country regularly. I'd consider one if we wanted 2nd new ev in the family

eagerv

If the price is reasonable, I reckon a very important car for VW and for Europe generally.

I like it, small and very smart..

fafy

Looks like this is being used to plug the gap, before ID2 arrives, in the next 4 years or so, there is certainly a place for it, if priced correctly, if its 28k after grant including delivery, it sounds a bit too expensive for a very small 4 seater car, when you can get say an entry level MG4 for about the same money, which is a five seater, more space, more range, more spec and has an actual screen, rather than using your phone as your screen, in the e-UP

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916204#Comment_119916204

Are these photos from today somewhere????

ELM327

Any word on price?

Buddy Bubs

I know it shouldnt make a difference but I wonder about the legalities of using a phone while driving as opposed to a fixed screen, I know having it on dash will somewhat keep your eyes on the road and as far as I know the law prohibits handheld devices.

This is coming from someone that has a car where nearly every function is in the screen and I know how distracting going through menus can be and taking your eyes off the road to find the correct spot to touch as opposed to finding a physical button or dial by feel.

I do see people with mobile phones mounted almost in the middle of their windscreens with suction cups using google maps at times. Always found that bizzare sitting behind them and you see how obstructed their views must be.

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916471#Comment_119916471

From this mornings conversation with VW dealer.

Then 29 to 30 k on the road after the grant and with metallic...

I hope that gets nailed down more solidly before the end of January when I'm told cars will be in....

mailforkev

These used to be great but things have moved on a lot since they originally came out.

For almost 30k, why would you buy one ahead of a 500e or e208 (or MG4), which are much more substantial products.

Needs to be 5k cheaper.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916591#Comment_119916591

makes my ID4 city an ever bigger bargain

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916591#Comment_119916591

That's far to expensive for what it is. 22-24K and it'd fly out.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916657#Comment_119916657

Because they are VW. Some people, myself included, place a premium on german cars and would prefer to be in that than a fiat 500 or a chinese SAIC mg4.

JohnC.

The days of German cars being premium because they're German are long gone and it's odd that there are people that still hold to that.

fafy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916468#Comment_119916468

This 2nd version, of the e Up, has been onsale in UK, for nearly 3 years, plenty of reviews online like this one:

https://www.carwow.co.uk/volkswagen/e-up/interior#nav

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119916657#Comment_119916657

They're a Tardis car, for the footprint the Up! has a surprising amount of cabin room. It's very well packaged and put together. I'd say it's one of the best packaged city cars available