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highdef · 05-11-2019 9:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The prison issue and the toilet issue should be very straight forward.

If you have a penis, you use the men's toilet/go to a men's prison. If you have a vagina, you use the women's toilet/go to a women's prison.

If you have a penis and "feel" like you should be allowed to use a woman's toilet because you "feel" like a woman, tough ****.

Can't agree more on this. The desire to be the opposite sex and physically being the opposite sex are two completely different things. I'd love to identify as a millionaire but I can't as I don't have the money to make it so. Can I demand that I'm a millionaire anyway, even with very little cash to my name?

Is there such a thing as a gender neutral urinal? I prefer them over cubicles.

05-11-2019 10:00am

It is my firm opinion that the majority of the new "genders" are nothing more than a form of Munchausen's disease and should not be pandered to.

oLoonatic · 05-11-2019 10:06am

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

05-11-2019 10:08am

oLoonatic wrote: »

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

I'd argue that expecting people to accept that a man is a woman because of "feelings" is more childish.

Annasopra · 05-11-2019 10:17am

carolmon wrote: »

Exactly.... we seem to be going backwards re gender roles

I have a 26 year old son and when he was young I rejected the notion of "boys toys" and "girls toys" and the whole social conditioning behind what men and women are/ should be.

Now we're told if boys like girls toys they're or vice versa it's a sign ....feck that.

It's regressive

It's exactly what women of my generation fought against.... men/women should be x y or z

If that thinking hadn't been challenged we'd all still be stuck in rigid gender roles and our access to equal participation in all levels of society would be lost.

In 2019 I wish people would let kids play with what they want and let people do what makes them happy without having to undergo medical surgery to make it socially acceptable.

Theres a reason Iran has such high gender reassignment stats and it's nothing to do with the innate freedom of the individual.

What on earth?

This is just ridiculous and not grounded in reality at all

A) perhaps you completely missed all of the canpaigning for gender neutral toys.

Nobody absolutely nobody has surgery to make their trans identity socially acceptable. Its frankly a compleyely bizarre and off the wall utter nonsensical statement.

05-11-2019 10:22am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This is just ridiculous and not grounded in reality at all

The irony...

Gael23 · 05-11-2019 10:29am

I’m not sure if a lady would like a man dropping a loud and foul smelling crap in the bog next door

helimachoptor · 05-11-2019 10:38am

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

is_that_so · 05-11-2019 10:45am

carolmon wrote: »

Exactly.... we seem to be going backwards re gender roles

I have a 26 year old son and when he was young I rejected the notion of "boys toys" and "girls toys" and the whole social conditioning behind what men and women are/ should be.

Now we're told if boys like girls toys they're or vice versa it's a sign ....feck that.

It's regressive

It's exactly what women of my generation fought against.... men/women should be x y or z

If that thinking hadn't been challenged we'd all still be stuck in rigid gender roles and our access to equal participation in all levels of society would be lost.

In 2019 I wish people would let kids play with what they want and let people do what makes them happy without having to undergo medical surgery to make it socially acceptable.

Theres a reason Iran has such high gender reassignment stats and it's nothing to do with the innate freedom of the individual.

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

is_that_so · 05-11-2019 10:47am

helimachoptor wrote: »

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

If all that happens is people wander off to complain on social media those who need to be aware remain ignorant. You should tell them.

Annasopra · 05-11-2019 10:57am

helimachoptor wrote: »

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

Should have had 8. Simple really.

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 11:12am

DanDan6592 wrote: »

We aren't punishing people for crimes they havn't commited. If you've transitioned... Women's prison. If you have not.... Male prison.

That seems to me anyway to be a way of punishing people unfairly. I don’t support the idea of gender affirmation surgery anyway as I don’t think it properly addresses what is fundamentally a psychological issue, and therefore I would be of the opinion that as long as the State recognises a persons legal gender, they should be treated in law accordingly.

There is a section of the gender recognition act which already grants the Minister for Social Protection the power to revoke a gender recognition certificate (or even refuse the application in the first place), which would fall in line with what you’re suggesting that is to allow for the genuine individuals who experience gender dysphoria and wish to apply to be recognised in law as their preferred gender, and those sexual predators who are using the current legislation for what was never it’s intended purpose.

Also in the case that was linked to earlier, I did find it odd that the Judge didn’t seem to be aware of Section 23 of the Act -

23. (1) Where (apart from this subsection) a relevant gender-specific sexual offence could be committed or attempted only if the gender of the person to whom a gender recognition certificate is issued were not the preferred gender, the fact that the person’s gender has become the preferred gender does not prevent the sexual offence being committed or attempted.

(2) An offence is a relevant gender-specific sexual offence if a condition specified in subsection (3) is satisfied.

(3) The following conditions are referred to in subsection (2):

(a) that the offence may only be committed by a person of a particular gender;

(b) that the offence may only be committed against, or in relation to, a person of a particular gender.

(4) A part of the body surgically constructed (in particular through gender assignment surgery) is the same, for the purposes of a sexual offence, as a part of the body not so surgically constructed.

(5) In this section “sexual offence” means an offence specified in the Schedule to the Sex Offenders Act 2001.

Gender specific offences, S.23 Gender Recognition Act 2015

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 11:16am

oLoonatic wrote: »

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

I don't see why not.
All the toilets in my house are gender neutral - the system works just fine!

05-11-2019 11:16am

is_that_so wrote: »

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

That poster said "I" three times. Hardly an awful lot.

Most parents let children explore, but it is a bad parent that lets children make their own decisions.

SoupMonster · 05-11-2019 11:21am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t want sex offenders, regardless of their gender, having the opportunity to have access to sexually or physically assault or abuse anyone, regardless of their gender, age, etc. We can’t punish people, regardless of their gender, for crimes they haven’t committed. We can only punish people for the crimes they have committed, like this “vulnerable” sexual predator -

Cork women pleads guilty to child porn charges: Video found depicting a boy under the age of two

Over the last 24 hours there have been 3 cases on the news.
a. Two boys who lured a girl to an isolated place to rape and murder her.
b. A boy who purposely lured a woman so her could slit her throat and left her for dead.
c. A man who abducted a woman off the street and murdered her.

Frankly, I find you efforts to try to imply that "women are just as bad" extremely offensive.

05-11-2019 11:22am

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 11:26am

is_that_so wrote: »

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

That’s completely untrue, which is basically that posters point - they would actually be very unusual in having raised their children ignoring the norms and social expectations of gender roles. Most people are actually the opposite - they raise their children according to society’s norms and expectations, and like hell do they leave their children to decide their gender for themselves!

Sittingpretty · 05-11-2019 11:26am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

She should have been supported by her organisation instead of them desperately trying not to offend a tiny minority.

It is preposterous to disagree with her statement that only women birth babies.

I honestly give up.

rECTAL fLAKE · 05-11-2019 11:27am

GN toilets. What a load of shi te... literally.

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 11:31am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

She wasn’t forced out of her job? She chose to resign, says so in the article and all (surprised they included it actually as it’s usually some half-baked attempt to wind people up so they leave out stuff like that and allow the reader to think the person was fired) -

Ms McCarthy-Calvert has since resigned from the organisation, but told MailOnline that she was "very disappointed" with its response.

05-11-2019 11:31am

SoupMonster wrote: »

Frankly, I find you efforts to try to imply that "women are just as bad" extremely offensive.

Oh no! You are offended!!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

nthclare · 05-11-2019 11:32am

Gender neutral toilet's, I think it's ridiculous.

Obviously it's an idea dreamed up by some sociology professors who's moral leaning could be questionable.

05-11-2019 11:33am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

She wasn’t forced out of her job? She chose to resign, says so in the article and all (surprised they included it actually as it’s usually some half-baked attempt to wind people up so they leave out stuff like that and allow the reader to think the person was fired) -

Ms McCarthy-Calvert has since resigned from the organisation, but told MailOnline that she was "very disappointed" with its response.

Oh ffs.

I know you aren't that naïve

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 11:40am

SoupMonster wrote: »

Over the last 24 hours there have been 3 cases on the news.
a. Two boys who lured a girl to an isolated place to rape and murder her.
b. A boy who purposely lured a woman so her could slit her throat and left her for dead.
c. A man who abducted a woman off the street and murdered her.

Frankly, I find you efforts to try to imply that "women are just as bad" extremely offensive.

I never attempted to imply any such thing. If anyone is attempting to imply anything, it’s people who are suggesting that inmates who are transgender should not be housed in women’s prisons due to the perceived increased risk they present to female inmates safety. The three problems with that perception are that

1. There is no evidence to support the idea that people who are transgender present a danger to women solely by virtue of their being transgender.

2. Sexual predators don’t need to go to the trouble of identifying themselves as women in order to have access to women, let alone commit crimes to be sent to prison in order to have access to female inmates who -

3. Are far more likely to kick the living shìt out of them because female on female physical and sexual abuse and violence is already rife in women’s prisons among the inmates themselves.

Cordell · 05-11-2019 11:44am

Since all genders are equal, equally good and equally bad, they should do away with men and women prisons and just have gender neutral prisons. Problem solved, right?

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 11:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh ffs.

I know you aren't that naïve

I would be naive if I was to take that posters point at face value. For example if I say something so moronically stupid that draws attention to myself on social media and relates to the job I do which reflects badly on the organisation I work for, I should absolutely expect disciplinary action, up to and including being fired, if I don’t choose to resign first.

nthclare · 05-11-2019 12:17pm

Cordell wrote: »

Since all genders are equal, equally good and equally bad, they should do away with men and women prisons and just have gender neutral prisons. Problem solved, right?

What you say make's sense if that's what these schizophrenics are suggesting, saying we're all equal etc

But rational men and women know that men and women are different from each other, different skills, strengths etc

When you're dealing with people who are not rational it's like dealing with narcissism, they're like a dog with a bone.

They're always winner's, even when you loose you're a winner remember that.

This equality started to spawn in the late 90's

I know women who are better than men at a lot of things, and men who are better than women at a lot of things.

It means everyone is capable of their best effort.

We should be all responsible for our good and bad.

I'm not equal to anyone else, I'm who I am make my own decisions and actions, I'm responsible for the outcome of my decisions in life.

If I **** up, I deserve the outcome and rightly so.

This pandering to social justice warriors and victim's of their lack of responsibility is dying rapidly.

Ricky Gervais is very popular and at the moment he's slating these numptys saying it as it is Kudos to him.

More than likely there's a witch hunt out for him on Twitter, they probably won't ban him.

Trump had a load of new age witches trying to put a spell on wtf

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 12:18pm

Cordell wrote: »

Since all genders are equal, equally good and equally bad, they should do away with men and women prisons and just have gender neutral prisons. Problem solved, right?

One already exists in the UK, and it presents as one would expect, it’s own... unique, set of problems. The biggest (and no pun intended) problem for the ladies appears to be that the prison food appears to be far too much to their liking, so much so that they’re finding it difficult to get clothes that fit -

Women losing prison flab battle

I can imagine it being an issue upon release if they aren’t able to fit out through the gates...

Aaannnd I’m going to hell :pac:

EDIT: Actually, on a more serious note -

HMP Peterborough inmates were illegally strip-searched

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) failed to prevent systemic breaches of inmates human rights when they were unlawfully strip searched at a privately-run jail.

The searches involved four inmates at HMP Peterborough in 2017, including one inmate who was menstruating.

Sodexo runs the prison and admitted it had breached MoJ privacy rules through its failure to properly train staff.

The MoJ should have had effective safeguards in place against privacy breaches, the High Court has ruled.

The inmates involved in the strip searches in July and September 2017 were three women and a transgender prisoner, who was transitioning from female to male.

p1akuw47h5r3it · 05-11-2019 12:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be interested to know whether Joeytheparrot agrees with putting rapists into women's prisons, and how many sexual assaults he thinks would be OK as a result?

It seems to me one side of this debate always work desperately hard not to answer simple questions like this. Yes or no would do, but we won't get a straight answer, you can be absolutely sure of that.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What on earth?

This is just ridiculous and not grounded in reality at all

A) perhaps you completely missed all of the canpaigning for gender neutral toys.
Nobody absolutely nobody has surgery to make their trans identity socially acceptable. Its frankly a compleyely bizarre and off the wall utter nonsensical statement.

Nice of you to reappear. Any chance you could answer the question that was asked of you earlier?

Or are you to conveniently ignore it again?

is_that_so · 05-11-2019 1:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That poster said "I" three times. Hardly an awful lot.

Most parents let children explore, but it is a bad parent that lets children make their own decisions.

It's a post laced with my road or the high road. Not sure I agree on the decisions claim. Allowing them come to an informed decision is a good life skill. Making those possibilities available is good parenting.

05-11-2019 1:17pm

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a post laced with my road or the high road. Not sure I agree on the decisions claim. Allowing them come to an informed decision is a good life skill. Making those possibilities available is good parenting.

You will/should be the one who is informing your child so their "informed decision" would be your own decision.

is_that_so · 05-11-2019 1:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You will/should be the one who is informing your child so their "informed decision" would be your own decision.

Nah -> You have €1. These all cost €1 , which do you want?

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 1:27pm

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a post laced with my road or the high road. Not sure I agree on the decisions claim. Allowing them come to an informed decision is a good life skill. Making those possibilities available is good parenting.

You’re probably aware that ideas about what constitutes either ‘good’ or ‘bad’ parenting varies as much as individuals themselves, so what constitutes an idea of good parenting from your perspective - I fundamentally disagree with the idea of allowing for a child being able to choose their preferred gender and to validate their beliefs is IMO an utter abdication of parental responsibility.

Having said that, I also believe it is a parents fundamental right to raise their children according to their beliefs and values, and therefore even though I personally disagree with the idea of encouraging children to “explore their gender identity” (I think it’s bollocks, frankly), I would be against the idea of criminalising parents for it, as I don’t believe that would be acting in the children’s best interests either to impose upon the relationship they have with their parents, or in extreme circumstances to remove them from their parents care completely. I don’t believe that actually is acting in the child’s best interests, even though I find their parents ideology, or values and beliefs, nauseating.

SoupMonster · 05-11-2019 2:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh no! You are offended!!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I also find a lot of the long-winded, self-contradictory, sanctimonious, misogynistic, incel-inspired bull**** posts mildly annoying.

Invisibleman · 05-11-2019 2:06pm

SoupMonster wrote: »

I also find a lot of the long-winded, self-contradictory, sanctimonious, misogynistic, incel-inspired bull**** posts mildly annoying.

are you saying misogynistic because of the womens toilets are usually dirtier ?
This is very true, all the ladies in my office say so, and they are all the messiest in the tea room aswell.
I was surprised to hear that myself but it's the truth, i used to work in a bar for years and the ladies was always miles worse aswell

SoupMonster · 05-11-2019 2:11pm

Cordell wrote: »

Since all genders are equal, equally good and equally bad, they should do away with men and women prisons and just have gender neutral prisons. Problem solved, right?

Denmark made prisons mixed sex in 2000 and by 2014 they realised it was not working. The prison estate is mixed with separate wings but some mixed social areas. 25% of female prisoners have been abused by male prisoners.

The chair of the Prisons Union confirms that they are unable to adequately protect women and that they will need to go single sex again. There are now new prisons being built to fully segregate the sexes

The Minister of Justice looks favorably at women's prison

rECTAL fLAKE · 05-11-2019 2:12pm

Wasn't there something with Charlize Theron where she said in an interview, I knew my child was supposed to be a boy (can't remember which way the child switched- could have changed to a girl) when he turned around at three years old and said he was. I mean that is just ridiculous. Whatever about an adult deciding but treating your child like an adult that's making an informed decision and actively encouraging it is actually really sad for the child. The adult should know better. When they're at a young age you're supposed to be the one that knows better and guides them along when they need it.

05-11-2019 2:13pm

SoupMonster wrote: »

I also find a lot of the long-winded, self-contradictory, sanctimonious, misogynistic, incel-inspired bull**** posts mildly annoying.

Can you point out some misogynistic incel-inspired posts?

rECTAL fLAKE · 05-11-2019 2:14pm

With regards to female toilets. When I was a teenager two of my friends worked as glass collectors in a nightclub and said the staff would draw straws for who had to clean the female toilets at the end of the night they were that bad.

SoupMonster · 05-11-2019 2:22pm

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Nice of you to reappear. Any chance you could answer the question that was asked of you earlier?

Or are you to conveniently ignore it again?

For clarity, here's a list of men who claim to be women.
Should these transgender rapists, paedophiles, sexual offenders and violent criminals be allowed to self-ID their way into women's prisons?

Nobody is demanding* an answer, but it would be nice to get the moderator's view on
a. Is it permissible to call these men "men"?
b. Is it permissible to refer to them as "he"?
c. Should these men be housed in the female prison estate?

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 2:27pm

SoupMonster wrote: »

Denmark made prisons mixed sex in 2000 and by 2014 they realised it was not working. The prison estate is mixed with separate wings but some mixed social areas. 25% of female prisoners have been abused by male prisoners.

The chair of the Prisons Union confirms that they are unable to adequately protect women and that they will need to go single sex again. There are now new prisons being built to fully segregate the sexes

The Minister of Justice looks favorably at women's prison

Can you clarify where you read that, because the only mention of a 25% figure I can find is this -

25% of female prisoners have experienced sexual harassment, such as unwanted comments, heckles and touches during confinement. It shows one of the results of a not yet published user survey carried out by the criminal authorities among the prisoners in Danish prisons and detention centres.

Reverting to single-sex prisons wasn’t because anyone realised it wasn’t working, but rather because it is argued that they don’t offer women opportunities for rehabilitation and preparation for integrating back into society upon release. The point was also made that single-sex women’s prisons would mean women were closer to their families, and the other point being made was that the female inmates would be less dependent upon the male inmates either for protection or prostitution.

EDIT: For what it’s worth -

Sexual abuse is 'part and parcel' of prison life, with staff harassing female inmates in exchange for drugs, cigarettes and even early release, according to former prisoners.

Female ex-inmates talk about prison abuse

SoupMonster · 05-11-2019 2:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you point out some misogynistic incel-inspired posts?

You can't guess?

05-11-2019 2:37pm

SoupMonster wrote: »

You can't guess?

If there was any, I have honestly missed them or didn't pay any heed to them.

Faugheen · 05-11-2019 2:43pm

I see people are whinging over toilets that anyone can go to.

Go in, take your piss or your ****e, flush, wash your hands, leave. Grand job.

ceadaoin. · 05-11-2019 2:44pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Can you clarify where you read that, because the only mention of a 25% figure I can find is this -

25% of female prisoners have experienced sexual harassment, such as unwanted comments, heckles and touches during confinement. It shows one of the results of a not yet published user survey carried out by the criminal authorities among the prisoners in Danish prisons and detention centres.

Reverting to single-sex prisons wasn’t because anyone realised it wasn’t working, but rather because it is argued that they don’t offer women opportunities for rehabilitation and preparation for integrating back into society upon release. The point was also made that single-sex women’s prisons would mean women were closer to their families, and the other point being made was that the female inmates would be less dependent upon the male inmates either for protection or prostitution.

EDIT: For what it’s worth -

Sexual abuse is 'part and parcel' of prison life, with staff harassing female inmates in exchange for drugs, cigarettes and even early release, according to former prisoners.

Female ex-inmates talk about prison abuse

Yeah, that's also known as abuse and exploitation. Im guessing the women have little choice, being locked up and all. Doesn't seem like it's working that well to me

I suppose you'll say its grand, the women are choosing to prostitute themselves for protection or whatever else. You're wrong.

I already posted the stats showing that male prisons are far more violent than womens ones. And also that more than 99% of incarcerated sex offenders are male. And also that over 80% of female prisoners are there for non violent offence. Stop trying to say that women are just as bad. They just arent

05-11-2019 2:49pm

Faugheen wrote: »

I see people are whinging over toilets that anyone can go to.

Go in, take your piss or your ****e, flush, wash your hands, leave. Grand job.

Nobody is complaining about unisex toilets. It's more of a fact that existing facilities which are gender specific are being used by people who are not the correct gender while claiming that they are.

It is the insanity of being expected to accept something that is not true is what people are "whinging" about.

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 2:56pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah, that's whats known as abuse and exploitation. Doesn't seem like it's working that well to me

It clearly isn’t working.

This isn’t due to mixing inmates who are transgender with inmates who aren’t. In case you missed it earlier too it was a female inmate who identified as male was among those illegally strip-searched by staff at the mixed-sex prison. In that guardian article, again it is the staff who are primarily implicated in single-sex prisons for being a threat to inmates welfare.

The point I made earlier still stands - people who are transgender aren’t a threat to anyone solely by virtue of their being transgender. Sexual predators on the other hand, regardless of their gender, are a threat to society and should be fcuked off to their own remote island seeing as the State is still obligated to acknowledge their human rights. At least there they could only be a danger to themselves, and I can’t say I’d give a shìte for how that would turn out.

It’s not that I don’t care about women or I don’t care about men or I don’t care about children. I just don’t care about people who abuse and exploit other people, regardless of their gender, sex, etc.

ceadaoin. · 05-11-2019 3:02pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It clearly isn’t working.

This isn’t due to mixing inmates who are transgender with inmates who aren’t. In case you missed it earlier too it was a female inmate who identified as male was among those illegally strip-searched by staff at the mixed-sex prison. In that guardian article, again it is the staff who are primarily implicated in single-sex prisons for being a threat to inmates welfare.

The point I made earlier still stands - people who are transgender aren’t a threat to anyone solely by virtue of their being transgender. Sexual predators on the other hand, regardless of their gender, are a threat to society and should be fcuked off to their own remote island seeing as the State is still obligated to acknowledge their human rights. At least there they could only be a danger to themselves, and I can’t say I’d give a shìte for how that would turn out.

It’s not that I don’t care about women or I don’t care about men or I don’t care about children. I just don’t care about people who abuse and exploit other people, regardless of their gender, sex, etc.

Who said they are a threat because they are transgender? Males are a threat to females in prison, solely because of their sex. Their self identified gender doesn't come into it. The 1 in 50 males in UK prisons identifying as women would be a threat to women if they were transferred to female institutions, even if they arent all sex offenders (although they are over represented in that figure). Because they are male and should not be put with females simply because of their self declaration that they are women. I'm not sure how you can dispute that.

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 3:05pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I suppose you'll say its grand, the women are choosing to prostitute themselves for protection or whatever else. You're wrong.

I already posted the stats showing that male prisons are far more violent than womens ones. And also that more than 99% of incarcerated sex offenders are male. And also that over 80% of female prisoners are there for non violent offence. Stop trying to say that women are just as bad. They just arent

You’ve edited your post while I was responding, and frankly you can suppose what you like. I don’t have to defend anything I haven’t said, least of all your supposition of what I might say and then telling me I’m wrong, when it’s your supposition in the first place :pac:

I’ve also clarified earlier that I have never tried to say women are “just as bad”, because I never made any comparison in the first place. I was talking specifically about female sex offenders (the ones who we know of at least), and female inmates. You compared them with men off your own back. I’m not taking responsibility for anything you tried to imply. That’s all on you.

One eyed Jack · 05-11-2019 3:11pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Who said they are a threat because they are transgender? Males are a threat to females in prison, solely because of their sex. Their self identified gender doesn't come into it. The 1 in 50 males in UK prisons identifying as women would be a threat to women if they were transferred to female institutions, even if they arent all sex offenders (although they are over represented in that figure). Because they are male and should not be put with females simply because of their self declaration that they are women. I'm not sure how you can dispute that.

Oh we’re not saying people who are transgender are a threat to women in prison now then? Cool, that’s grand so. I’m done here then, because that’s the only point I was disputing.

I don’t think males are a threat to women solely by virtue of their sex either, but that’s a different discussion for another thread entirely, or a whole different jurisdiction which only exists in your own mind where the principle of the presumption of innocence doesn’t appear to apply.

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