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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not suggesting it's a case of take a quiz and tick X boxes and they tell you what gender you are. It's up to the individual to decide.

This, again would be gender nonconformity. '7 put of 10 - I must be a woman then".

Yeah at this stage I have literally no idea what you actually believe.

Your last sentence implies you don't believe dysphoria is anything to do with having psychological traits more associated with the opposite sex.

Now it's just 'up to the individual to decide' and the rest is in fact irrelevant.

Have I got that right?

I see I've been given a warning so I'll give up on this thread.

We couldn't possibly have a boards moderator having to answer an awkward question!

SoupMonster

Deleted User wrote: »

I see I've been given a warning so I'll give up on this thread.

We couldn't possibly have a boards moderator having to answer an awkward question!

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One eyed Jack

Ironicname wrote: »

With people who support self identification but also deride JY, what is it about JY that makes you not respect their claim that they represent the trans movement?

Because they don’t?

Seems a pretty obvious answer to that question.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah at this stage I have literally no idea what you actually believe.

Your last sentence implies you don't believe dysphoria is anything to do with having psychological traits more associated with the opposite sex.

Now it's just 'up to the individual to decide' and the rest is in fact irrelevant.

Have I got that right?

Nope. You're taking very minor points out of everything I write and misinterpreting them to feed your confirmation bias, as opposed to reading the overall post.

The general rule of psychology (not specific to gender) is that traits contribute to psychology, psychology to diagnosis. Patient can agree or disagree with diagnosis as they want.

Beasty

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Answer the question.

If you have a problem with a post or poster report it

You do not get to tell other posters what to do though

One eyed Jack

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Neither do I. Hence why I don't want some of them having the option of self-declaring to gain access to women, regardless if those women are sex offenders themselves!

I don’t want sex offenders, regardless of their gender, having the opportunity to have access to sexually or physically assault or abuse anyone, regardless of their gender, age, etc. We can’t punish people, regardless of their gender, for crimes they haven’t committed. We can only punish people for the crimes they have committed, like this “vulnerable” sexual predator -


Cork women pleads guilty to child porn charges: Video found depicting a boy under the age of two

carolmon

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Probably better to do away with rigidly enforced gender stereotypes then. The we'd have fewer kids being told that their bodies dont "match" their brain so therefore must start on a pathway of a lifetime of medicalization.

I mean really, most people arent completely "correctly aligned " whatever that means. It's not like is one set way to be a man or a woman

Exactly.... we seem to be going backwards re gender roles

I have a 26 year old son and when he was young I rejected the notion of "boys toys" and "girls toys" and the whole social conditioning behind what men and women are/ should be.

Now we're told if boys like girls toys they're or vice versa it's a sign ....feck that.

It's regressive

It's exactly what women of my generation fought against.... men/women should be x y or z

If that thinking hadn't been challenged we'd all still be stuck in rigid gender roles and our access to equal participation in all levels of society would be lost.

In 2019 I wish people would let kids play with what they want and let people do what makes them happy without having to undergo medical surgery to make it socially acceptable.

Theres a reason Iran has such high gender reassignment stats and it's nothing to do with the innate freedom of the individual.

p1akuw47h5r3it

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t want sex offenders, regardless of their gender, having the opportunity to have access to sexually or physically assault or abuse anyone, regardless of their gender, age, etc. We can’t punish people, regardless of their gender, for crimes they haven’t committed. We can only punish people for the crimes they have committed, like this “vulnerable” sexual predator -


Cork women pleads guilty to child porn charges: Video found depicting a boy under the age of two

We aren't punishing people for crimes they havn't commited. If you've transitioned... Women's prison. If you have not.... Male prison.

The prison issue and the toilet issue should be very straight forward.

If you have a penis, you use the men's toilet/go to a men's prison. If you have a vagina, you use the women's toilet/go to a women's prison.

If you have a penis and "feel" like you should be allowed to use a woman's toilet because you "feel" like a woman, tough ****.

highdef

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The prison issue and the toilet issue should be very straight forward.

If you have a penis, you use the men's toilet/go to a men's prison. If you have a vagina, you use the women's toilet/go to a women's prison.

If you have a penis and "feel" like you should be allowed to use a woman's toilet because you "feel" like a woman, tough ****.

Can't agree more on this. The desire to be the opposite sex and physically being the opposite sex are two completely different things. I'd love to identify as a millionaire but I can't as I don't have the money to make it so. Can I demand that I'm a millionaire anyway, even with very little cash to my name?

Is there such a thing as a gender neutral urinal? I prefer them over cubicles.

It is my firm opinion that the majority of the new "genders" are nothing more than a form of Munchausen's disease and should not be pandered to.

oLoonatic

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

oLoonatic

oLoonatic wrote: »

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

I'd argue that expecting people to accept that a man is a woman because of "feelings" is more childish.

Annasopra

carolmon wrote: »

Exactly.... we seem to be going backwards re gender roles

I have a 26 year old son and when he was young I rejected the notion of "boys toys" and "girls toys" and the whole social conditioning behind what men and women are/ should be.

Now we're told if boys like girls toys they're or vice versa it's a sign ....feck that.

It's regressive

It's exactly what women of my generation fought against.... men/women should be x y or z

If that thinking hadn't been challenged we'd all still be stuck in rigid gender roles and our access to equal participation in all levels of society would be lost.

In 2019 I wish people would let kids play with what they want and let people do what makes them happy without having to undergo medical surgery to make it socially acceptable.

Theres a reason Iran has such high gender reassignment stats and it's nothing to do with the innate freedom of the individual.

What on earth?

This is just ridiculous and not grounded in reality at all

A) perhaps you completely missed all of the canpaigning for gender neutral toys.
Nobody absolutely nobody has surgery to make their trans identity socially acceptable. Its frankly a compleyely bizarre and off the wall utter nonsensical statement.

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This is just ridiculous and not grounded in reality at all

The irony...

Gael23

I’m not sure if a lady would like a man dropping a loud and foul smelling crap in the bog next door

helimachoptor

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

is_that_so

carolmon wrote: »

Exactly.... we seem to be going backwards re gender roles

I have a 26 year old son and when he was young I rejected the notion of "boys toys" and "girls toys" and the whole social conditioning behind what men and women are/ should be.

Now we're told if boys like girls toys they're or vice versa it's a sign ....feck that.

It's regressive

It's exactly what women of my generation fought against.... men/women should be x y or z

If that thinking hadn't been challenged we'd all still be stuck in rigid gender roles and our access to equal participation in all levels of society would be lost.

In 2019 I wish people would let kids play with what they want and let people do what makes them happy without having to undergo medical surgery to make it socially acceptable.

Theres a reason Iran has such high gender reassignment stats and it's nothing to do with the innate freedom of the individual.

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

is_that_so

helimachoptor wrote: »

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

If all that happens is people wander off to complain on social media those who need to be aware remain ignorant. You should tell them.

Annasopra

helimachoptor wrote: »

was at a wedding at the weekend.

4 gender neutral cubicles, absolute chaos.

Should have had 8. Simple really.

One eyed Jack

DanDan6592 wrote: »

We aren't punishing people for crimes they havn't commited. If you've transitioned... Women's prison. If you have not.... Male prison.

That seems to me anyway to be a way of punishing people unfairly. I don’t support the idea of gender affirmation surgery anyway as I don’t think it properly addresses what is fundamentally a psychological issue, and therefore I would be of the opinion that as long as the State recognises a persons legal gender, they should be treated in law accordingly.

There is a section of the gender recognition act which already grants the Minister for Social Protection the power to revoke a gender recognition certificate (or even refuse the application in the first place), which would fall in line with what you’re suggesting that is to allow for the genuine individuals who experience gender dysphoria and wish to apply to be recognised in law as their preferred gender, and those sexual predators who are using the current legislation for what was never it’s intended purpose.

Also in the case that was linked to earlier, I did find it odd that the Judge didn’t seem to be aware of Section 23 of the Act -


23. (1) Where (apart from this subsection) a relevant gender-specific sexual offence could be committed or attempted only if the gender of the person to whom a gender recognition certificate is issued were not the preferred gender, the fact that the person’s gender has become the preferred gender does not prevent the sexual offence being committed or attempted.

(2) An offence is a relevant gender-specific sexual offence if a condition specified in subsection (3) is satisfied.

(3) The following conditions are referred to in subsection (2):

(a) that the offence may only be committed by a person of a particular gender;

(b) that the offence may only be committed against, or in relation to, a person of a particular gender.

(4) A part of the body surgically constructed (in particular through gender assignment surgery) is the same, for the purposes of a sexual offence, as a part of the body not so surgically constructed.

(5) In this section “sexual offence” means an offence specified in the Schedule to the Sex Offenders Act 2001.


Gender specific offences, S.23 Gender Recognition Act 2015

sbsquarepants

oLoonatic wrote: »

Can we not just call them toilets and be adults about it........

I don't see why not.
All the toilets in my house are gender neutral - the system works just fine!

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

That poster said "I" three times. Hardly an awful lot.

Most parents let children explore, but it is a bad parent that lets children make their own decisions.

SoupMonster

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t want sex offenders, regardless of their gender, having the opportunity to have access to sexually or physically assault or abuse anyone, regardless of their gender, age, etc. We can’t punish people, regardless of their gender, for crimes they haven’t committed. We can only punish people for the crimes they have committed, like this “vulnerable” sexual predator -


Cork women pleads guilty to child porn charges: Video found depicting a boy under the age of two

Over the last 24 hours there have been 3 cases on the news.
a. Two boys who lured a girl to an isolated place to rape and murder her.
b. A boy who purposely lured a woman so her could slit her throat and left her for dead.
c. A man who abducted a woman off the street and murdered her.

Frankly, I find you efforts to try to imply that "women are just as bad" extremely offensive.

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

One eyed Jack

is_that_so wrote: »

There's an awful lot of "I" in there. You seem to be doing what most parents would do, let children explore, although most tend to let the child decide. Happy to hear he's well-adjusted but posts like this evoke Phillip Larkin's This be the verse!

That’s completely untrue, which is basically that posters point - they would actually be very unusual in having raised their children ignoring the norms and social expectations of gender roles. Most people are actually the opposite - they raise their children according to society’s norms and expectations, and like hell do they leave their children to decide their gender for themselves!

Sittingpretty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

She should have been supported by her organisation instead of them desperately trying not to offend a tiny minority.

It is preposterous to disagree with her statement that only women birth babies.

I honestly give up.

rECTAL fLAKE

GN toilets. What a load of shi te... literally.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Off topic.
More political correct nonsense. Forced out of her job for saying that only women can have babies!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199547/trans-gender-news-activist-doula-birth-coach-feminist-women

She wasn’t forced out of her job? She chose to resign, says so in the article and all (surprised they included it actually as it’s usually some half-baked attempt to wind people up so they leave out stuff like that and allow the reader to think the person was fired) -


Ms McCarthy-Calvert has since resigned from the organisation, but told MailOnline that she was "very disappointed" with its response.