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Achill asylum centre cancelled - mod warning in OP (01/11/19)

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    #272
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Mules wrote: »
    Would you seriously give everyone who claims asylum a taxpayer funded house/ apartment? How would we afford it? If I was offered a free house on top of free healthcare and other benefits in a first world country, I'd move tomorrow. I obviously have no claim for asylum but that system would attract people with just as spurious a claim as I'd have.

    It is dependant on reforming the entire AS system which will likely never happen. Fast tracking so claims and appeals are held within 1-3 months of arrival.

    And then deportation does happen for the spurious and nonsensical claims.

    And for people arriving from Albania (guaranteed most probably arriving from another safe European country and probably from the UK) back to the port of departure you go straight away from Dublin airport/Dublin port.


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    #273
    Gatling
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    As soon as they get to Achill and realise they're in the wilderness in the middle of nowhere they'll soon want to return to whatever country they came from.

    We've had 60,000 + through direct and Only around 1800 deportations despite the claims we have one the highest refusal rates for asylum ,

    They don't leave even when given deportation orders
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    #274
    suicide_circus
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    Gatling wrote: »
    We've had 60,000 + through direct and Only around 1800 deportations despite the claims we have one the highest refusal rates for asylum ,

    They don't leave even when given deportation orders

    Anyone who is seriously concerned about the welfare of genuine asylum seekers should be worried about the lack of deportations.


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    #275
    biko
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    No-one is really concerned with the welfare of real refugees, nor the population around the immigration centres.
    Most people are too stupid to realise sub-Saharan Africans are not fleeing the war in Syria.


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    #276
    US2
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    Why can't they apply for asylum from home country or first safe country?

    I can't just jump on a plane and fly to US or Australia without visas or granted asylum.


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    #277
    suicide_circus
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    US2 wrote: »
    Why can't they apply for asylum from home country or first safe country?
    because they want asylum in a prosperous EU country with generous social welfare


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    #278
    jmayo
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    13 women for 3 months.. not seeing the big victory in this case

    Disingenuous poster no.1
    Talk about being economical with the old facts there.

    Arghus wrote: »
    I don't see 13 women being denied asylum for a maximum of three months as any kind of victory tbh.

    Disingenuous poster no.2

    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Indeed. Election coming.

    Plan "shelved" according to RTE radio now.

    They are talking about all women on the radio but an Achill local I work with was telling me it was supposed to be all men last week.

    Yep they are now pedaling line that Achill locals did not want some poor women.
    Except that is bullcr** and is the shyte being pedaled above by posters here.
    And then these label people of opposing opinion as pedaling "fake news"

    They thought they could get away with 38 blokes from parts unknown and then when the uppidity locals stood up they changed it to include 13 women, who conveniently would be the first ones to arrive.

    And the jokers around here are pedaling the 13 women line for all they are worth.
    Watch the national media pedal that and the usual geebags on RTE programs use it to lambast Achill.

    It was a fooking chance your arm tactic and it backfired.


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    #279
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    US2 wrote: »
    Why can't they apply for asylum from home country or first safe country?

    I can't just jump on a plane and fly to US or Australia without visas or granted asylum.

    Because very few, if any European countries, send these type of claims back to the port of departure at the port of entry.

    If a Nigerian claims asylum in Ireland but has had a connecting flight through Germany or France, the Irish authorities should be sending that person back to the first safe place they disembarked! So it would be Germany or France and let them make their claim there.

    There seems to be a lack of political will to implement standard International agreements for some reason. And it is not like we need to change laws here either.

    And it is not like we are sending claimants back to warzones either!


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    #280
    Sand
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    You'd need to reform the entire AS process and limit the appeals to one and that's it. With a fast track mechanism. You'd also need to actually implement the concept of the First Safe State that seems to be ignored routinely here.

    An Albanian should not be claiming asylum here. They should be claiming it in a Central European country or in Italy at the least. In fact, if an Albanian arrives here claiming Asylum, they should be put on the next plane back to their port of departure.

    Its paradoxical to place migrants into housing and apartments with the objective of integrating them into the local community, while at the same time operating a fast track process of just a few weeks which will deport them. How can anyone be expected to integrate into a community in a matter of weeks? Even if they are, they'll be deported and replaced by the next round of migrants.

    The only sensible solution are a series of facilities at or near airports where undocumented migrants are held for 2-3 weeks while their case is processed, and then they are deported.

    What we are seeing instead is the government, NGOs and property developers conniving to scatter migrants to the four corners of Ireland to enrich owners of these properties at the expense of their communities and the taxpayer.


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    #281
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    jmayo wrote: »
    Disingenuous poster no.1
    Talk about being economical with the old facts there.




    Disingenuous poster no.2




    Yep they are now pedaling line that Achill locals did not want some poor women.
    Except that is bullcr** and is the shyte being pedaled above by posters here.
    And then these label people of opposing opinion as pedaling "fake news"

    They thought they could get away with 38 blokes from parts unknown and then when the uppidity locals stood up they changed it to include 13 women, who conveniently would be the first ones to arrive.

    And the jokers around here are pedaling the 13 women line for all they are worth.
    Watch the national media pedal that and the usual geebags on RTE programs use it to lambast Achill.

    It was a fooking chance your arm tactic and it backfired.

    Stantan verified on SOR half an hour ago that it was initially 38 males for Achill. He followed up by saying that 'because the disco was going to be cancelled in the same hotel it was decided to send women and families instead!'

    There's no disco like an Achill disco.


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    #282
    RandomName2
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    13 women for 3 months.. not seeing the big victory in this case

    What was supposed to happen to these '13 women' after 3 months?

    Don't tell me that a decision on whether or not they'd be granted asylum would be made, because we both know it would take much longer than that.


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    #283
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I'm not talking about putting them into DP centres in these areas.

    I'm talking about moving them into houses and apartments that are not isolated from the local community. DP creates an "us and them" mentality that does not help integration at all.

    It does allow politicians and others give themselves a nice big clap on the back because they "feel good" about what is essentially half-hearted help.

    The Swedes and Germans are guilty of that and Sweden has serious problems with integration.

    We need to learn lessons from the Swedish "model" and not replicate it but better it.

    which is what they tried in Ballinamore, but of course that 'wasn't suitable' either:rolleyes:


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    #284
    jmayo
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Stantan verified on SOR half an hour ago that it was initially 38 males for Achill. He followed up by saying that 'because the disco was going to be cancelled in the same hotel it was decided to send women and families instead!'

    There's no disco like an Achill disco.

    The 38 males were changed to include 13 females to make it more palatable.
    38 males, of questionable background into a small community.

    And yes they are of questionable background because no one was sure where they were from or what they may have done in the past.

    Also funny if they were families how come it appears all the women were coming in one batch and all the men in the next.

    Something, as usual with all these asylum/refugee government & NGO stitch-ups, doesn't quite add up. :rolleyes:


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    #285
    [Deleted User]
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    Gatling wrote: »
    We've had 60,000 + through direct and Only around 1800 deportations despite the claims we have one the highest refusal rates for asylum ,

    They don't leave even when given deportation orders

    where are they then?


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    #286
    twinytwo
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone who is seriously concerned about the welfare of genuine asylum seekers should be worried about the lack of deportations.

    Except the vast majority are economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers...


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    #287
    [Deleted User]
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    jmayo wrote: »
    38 males, of questionable background into a small community.

    And yes they are of questionable background because no one was sure where they were from or what they may have done in the past.

    how do you know this?


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    #288
    Gatling
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    where are they then?

    Here .
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    #289
    Jimmy Garlic
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It was the same in Ballinamore, I know members of my own family & friends who were intimidated & shouted down by a few. The few loudest.
    Of course, they are afraid to go against the anti asylum seekers, look what happened to Martin Kennys car, there was also a shop set on fire before that, but was not so much in the news.

    Fierce lucky that Martin Kennys son parked the car well away from its usual spot near the house, what a stroke of luck. Have they anyone caught for that yet? Nobody will ever be charged I'd imagine.


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    #290
    Lux23
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    Disgusting decision and anyone that attends these protests or partakes in online scaremongering should be ashamed.


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    #291
    [Deleted User]
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    [PHP][/PHP]
    Gatling wrote: »
    Here .

    where?
    are you saying you believe that there are thousands of failed asylum seekers living in Ireland?


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    #292
    [Deleted User]
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    RTÉ news have not put the story on there Facebook feed (I’ve scrolled though twice). Is this because they are trying to peddle the 13 women only part to all those who use only tv and radio as a source of information?


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    #293
    Lux23
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Indeed. Election coming.

    Plan "shelved" according to RTE radio now.

    They are talking about all women on the radio but an Achill local I work with was telling me it was supposed to be all men last week.

    Because that's what s**ts ringleading these protests are telling them.


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    #294
    Balf
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    jmayo wrote: »
    The 38 males were changed to include 13 females to make it more palatable.
    It has to be said, the speed with which this "13 females" line is being accepted and broadcast is disturbing. It is an obvious attempt to mislead, and should be rejected as such.

    However folk might feel about the issue, this kind of blatant public massaging of the facts is wrong. It actually just adds to the view that communities can't trust in what they are being told.


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    #295
    Brussels Sprout
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Fierce lucky that Martin Kennys son parked the car well away from its usual spot near the house, what a stroke of luck.

    What are you implying?


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    #296
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Balf wrote: »
    It has to be said, the speed with which this "13 females" line is being accepted and broadcast is disturbing. It is an obvious attempt to mislead, and should be rejected as such.

    However folk might feel about the issue, this kind of blatant public massaging of the facts is wrong. It actually just adds to the view that communities can't trust in what they are being told.

    And it plays right into the hands of the Right Wing who cry "Fake News".


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    #297
    [Deleted User]
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    Because that's what s**ts ringleading these protests are telling them.

    No. The reception and integration authority who are responsible for direct provision were the ones to confirm it was 38 men


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    #298
    ShamNNspace
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    There is no way that 38 male asylum seekers/Migrants were going to be landed into that wily old operator Rings patch with an election round the corner. That guy has his ear to the ground.. In some cack handed 3 card trick the government tried to change plans midstream to 13 female asylum seekers/Migrants. It backfired on them but watch the line that will be pushed by rte over the weekend


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    #299
    [Deleted User]
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    so, there was a problem with 38 men, but is 13 women seen as better?
    why?
    and why can they not be housed there now?


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    #300
    Gatling
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    [PHP][/PHP]

    where?
    are you saying you believe that there are thousands of failed asylum seekers living in Ireland?

    Yes ,

    58,000 were not granted asylum and 58,000 were not deported .

    They didn't just leave as falsely claimed by others
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    #301
    [Deleted User]
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Yes ,

    58,000 were not granted asylum and 58,000 were not deported .

    They didn't just leave as falsely claimed by others

    why do you think they did not leave?
    what do you think these 58,000 people are doing now?


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