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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #4622
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    I said it the day of the Referendum and I will say it again ...this is a major opportunity for NI

    Imagine if you want to relocate to Europe and have 2 markets at your disposal

    NI would be the place to set up shop

    The DUP should grab this with both hands


  • #4623
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Sssshhh! It'll only work if they think they're winning!

    Oh yeah, you're right.

    Leo Must RESIGN for caving TO the Mighty British

    (random words capitalised for the benefit of the express readership)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4624
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    They wont be the first group of people who only wanted something after they rejected it


  • #4625
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,758 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Reading between the DUP lines, this sounds very much like a "Yes":

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1182680171893215232

    Some change in tune. Have they just wasted all our time for the last two years?


  • #4626
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Aesop was banging on about this 2500 years ago.

    The British public have been conditioned to take for granted what they had, and to wish for something that they could not have and when they try to get it, they lose something precious

    "the kites and the swans
    The kites of olden times, as well as the Swans, had the privilege of song. But having heard the neigh of the horse, they were so enchanted with the sound, that they tried to imitate it; and, in trying to neigh, they forgot how to sing."

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • #4627
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Some change in tune. Have they just wasted all our time for the last two years?


    You'd feel sorry for Teresa May

    She must be watching this going..WTF....with a few colourful descriptive words for the DUP thrown in


    I am still not getting how NI can effectively be in both customs unions though!


  • #4628
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    You'd feel sorry for Teresa May

    She must be watching this going..WTF....with a few colourful descriptive words for the DUP thrown in


    I am still not getting how NI can effectively be in both customs unions though!

    I suppose it's similar to NI nationalists all having Irish passports despite being born in and living in the UK.


  • #4629
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    It would have saved an awful lot of grief not to mention time if the DUP had just signed off on the original NI only deal back in 2017. And everybody knows it.


  • #4630
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    You'd feel sorry for Teresa May

    She must be watching this going..WTF....with a few colourful descriptive words for the DUP thrown in


    I am still not getting how NI can effectively be in both customs unions though!

    This is from Denis Staunton's article in this morning's IT

    "...... One option the EU could accept is a scaled-down version of the customs partnership proposed by Theresa May for the whole of the UK and the whole of the EU. The reduced version would apply only to Northern Ireland, which would leave the EU customs union and remain part of the UK customs territory.

    Under the customs partnership, the UK would agree to enforce EU customs rules and tariffs on goods moving from Britain to Northern Ireland. But if the EU tariff was higher than the UK tariff, businesses in the North would receive a rebate.

    So Northern Ireland would leave the EU customs union and would enjoy all the benefits of an independent UK trade policy. But the customs border for administrative purposes would run alongside the regulatory border in the Irish Sea."

    But, as I've already asked, what about new UK FTAs incompatible with the single market. How does that work.


  • #4631
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I suppose it's similar to NI nationalists all having Irish passports despite being born in and living in the UK.

    Them having Irish passports doesn't damage the integrity of the single market!


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  • #4632
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    You'd feel sorry for Teresa May

    She must be watching this going..WTF....with a few colourful descriptive words for the DUP thrown in


    I am still not getting how NI can effectively be in both customs unions though!
    Theoretically it will be, in practice it will be in the EUCU and it will be up to the UK to manage how it controls the flow of goods across the Irish sea if for example widgets attract a higher duty in rUK vs NI.

    Really, it's just a form of words to try to hide this. It's effectively a climbdown by the UK.


  • #4633
    moon2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭moon2


    Call me Al wrote: »
    But, as I've already asked, what about new UK FTAs incompatible with the single market. How does that work.

    From previous statements from the EU I would guess the position will be that anyone moving goods from the mainland to NI will have to ensure those goods are allowed be "imported into the EU". NI would effectively be the EU in this scenario. I can't find details on this either though, so it's probably one of those important details thats being negotiated.


  • #4634
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Reading between the DUP lines, this sounds very much like a "Yes":

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1182680171893215232

    Might this be the first time the DUP mentioned NI's long term economic interests since the joint letter they sent with SF before Stormount collapsed in 2017? Pigs seemingly can fly if you give them enough time.


  • #4635
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,032 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The BBC responded to my complaint todayabout Brendan O'Neill. I wonder if they will still have him on
    BBC wrote:
    Thanks for contacting us about Politics Live, broadcast 27 September.

    During the programme whilst discussing Brexit, Brendan O’Neill stated “I am amazed that there haven't been riots yet.” When asked if he thinks there will be, he responded with “I think there should be.”

    This statement was immediately picked up on and pushed back by Adam Fleming and other guests. It was for Mr O’Neill to defend his position and we cannot know what a guest is going to say in advance. These were not views Brendan O’Neill had previously expressed and we had no prior knowledge of them.

    When a guest on live television makes a controversial statement of this sort, all the presenter can do is push back on air and allow other guests to challenge the comment which is exactly what Adam Fleming did.


  • #4636
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Call me Al wrote: »
    But, as I've already asked, what about new UK FTAs incompatible with the single market. How does that work.

    The regulatory border in the Irish sea would stop any goods not compatible with single market rules coming into NI. The UK can do an FTA with the US and take their chickens, but it wont be allowed into NI, but business in NI will be able to sell into the US under the terms of the FTA.


  • #4637
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    moon2 wrote: »
    From previous statements from the EU I would guess the position will be that anyone moving goods from the mainland to NI will have to ensure those goods are allowed be "imported into the EU". NI would effectively be the EU in this scenario. I can't find details on this either though, so it's probably one of those important details thats being negotiated.

    Right - but is it not the EU's responsibility to set up the customs checks and finance them (i.e. Ireland's)?

    Surely customs checks will have to happen on the Western side of the Irish sea!


  • #4638
    moon2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭moon2


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    Right - but is it not the EU's responsibility to set up the customs checks and finance them? (i.e. Ireland's?)

    I'll hazard a guess that in this scenario it would be the responsibility of the importer and exporter, as per normal trade rules. That means the port on the mainland UK and also island of Ireland will do the normal checking to ensure goods are allowed. If the port of arrival is in NI then they'll run the checks. If it's in Dublin, we'll run the same checks.

    EDIT: Worth pointing out that if the deal is essentially a NI only backstop, then the ports in the RoI will have to run these checks regardless. The deal would only force a change in NI itself.


  • #4639
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    <snip - no link dumps, memes etc please>


  • #4640
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    moon2 wrote: »

    EDIT: Worth pointing out that if the deal is essentially a NI only backstop, then the ports in the RoI will have to run these checks regardless. The deal would only force a change in NI itself.

    The Irish Times and RTE both saying the DUP will not accept a NI only backstop and it doesn't look like they will accept it if it's dressed up with a different name either

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dup-opposed-to-brexit-deal-that-traps-northern-ireland-in-eu-1.4047814


  • #4641
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    strandroad wrote: »
    When the teams have a lock in for actual proper negotiations.

    Sounds like a conclave, but with less smoke or old men in frocks.


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  • #4642
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    The Irish Times and RTE both saying the DUP will not accept a NI only backstop and it doesn't look like they will accept it if it's dressed up with a different name either

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dup-opposed-to-brexit-deal-that-traps-northern-ireland-in-eu-1.4047814
    The way the numbers are stacked in the HOS, nobody cares anymore what the DUP think. They are in the minority on Brexit.


  • #4643
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,906 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    The Irish Times and RTE both saying the DUP will not accept a NI only backstop and it doesn't look like they will accept it if it's dressed up with a different name either

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dup-opposed-to-brexit-deal-that-traps-northern-ireland-in-eu-1.4047814

    I'm not sure how often its been said on the thread already but the DUP stopped mattering weeks ago. They're just noise now.

    edit: bah, left the reply box open for ages and someone has said it already


  • #4644
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I sense an almighty great fudge hoving into view. To me, the key seems to be how on earth to “save face” for every actor.

    Actually, I hope I am right, because this is a “you-know-what” enormous, biblical sized mess


  • #4645
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I sense an almighty great fudge hoving into view. To me, the key seems to be how on earth to “save face” for every actor.

    Actually, I hope I am right, because this is a “you-know-what” enormous, biblical sized mess
    The only people looking to save face are Boris and his merry band. Don't confuse this with the usual EU post-summit bland communiques. If the proposed solution is workable the EU will do a deal, if it isn't they will reject it.


  • #4646
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,076 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    How can NI remain in EU but also access to UK standards and trade deals? I can't see how RoI doesn't, slowly, get treated differently within the EU. How much a RoI exporter prove that there goods didn't come from NI?

    Surely that will need checks?


  • #4647
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    How can NI remain in EU but also access to UK standards and trade deals? I can't see how RoI doesn't, slowly, get treated differently within the EU. How much a RoI exporter prove that there goods didn't come from NI?

    Surely that will need checks?

    It's only until a United Ireland which is enviable


  • #4648
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,957 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hang on. He still needs to get the deal through the House of Commons where it'll likely be rejected again. In that scenario, he must go to the EU for an extension. Why would Remain MP's support this? Corbyn certainly can't as it means he'll be enabling a Tory Brexit.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4649
    [Deleted User]
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    The only people looking to save face are Boris and his merry band. Don't confuse this with the usual EU post-summit bland communiques. If the proposed solution is workable the EU will do a deal, if it isn't they will reject it.

    Yes, you’re right - i was clumsy. I meant Boris, Dominic, ERG, Arlene and a few others; but not the EU which has behaved, to my (non-Irish) view, impeccably


  • #4650
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Hang on. He still needs to get the deal through the House of Commons where it'll likely be rejected again. In that scenario, he must go to the EU for an extension. Why would Remain MP's support this? Corbyn certainly can't as it means he'll be enabling a Tory Brexit.
    The ship has largely sailed on Remain. An extension offers Remainers no comfort as it's too short. Probably best to see what the deal is, if it even happens before presuming to know what the HOC will do.


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  • #4651
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,411 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The ship has largely sailed on Remain. An extension offers Remainers no comfort as it's too short. Probably best to see what the deal is, if it even happens before presuming to know what the HOC will do.

    Not so


    An extension offers them a time to get a rainbow coalition with one role. Referendum to the people.


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