Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

wrangler · 25-09-2019 09:00AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.

Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......

I posted shutters on here that I was making for my cattle shed here a few mths ago.
I asked a local engineering firm for a quote for five and they came up with €2800, I did it myself after and paid €950 for the steel etc. and probably wasn't dealing in the cheapest place either.
There's probably an opening for that sort of industry now with all the dairy expansion

emaherx · 25-09-2019 09:33AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.

Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

wrangler · 25-09-2019 03:50PM

emaherx wrote: »

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

25-09-2019 04:18PM

wrangler wrote: »

emaherx wrote: »

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

wrangler · 25-09-2019 04:29PM

9935452 wrote: »

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

2018na · 25-09-2019 04:36PM

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

Only illegal on a three lane motorway

emaherx · 25-09-2019 04:41PM

2018na wrote: »

Only illegal on a three lane motorway

Illegal on all motorways.

emaherx · 25-09-2019 04:43PM

wrangler wrote: »

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

Lorries max speed limit is 90kph and aren't allowed in outside lane so can't see that as a reason to speed with Jeep/trailer at 120kph.

High speed tractors are allowed to travel on motorway also at much lower speeds.

wrangler · 25-09-2019 04:47PM

emaherx wrote: »

Lorries max speed limit is 90kph and aren't allowed in outside lane so can't see that as a reason to speed with Jeep/trailer at 120kph.

I would always drive at 100Km /hr to keep out of the lorries way, never see a speed trap on the motorway

dzer2 · 25-09-2019 04:47PM

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway[/quote]

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways

emaherx · 25-09-2019 04:49PM

wrangler wrote: »

I would always drive at 100Km /hr to keep out of the lorries way, never see a speed trap on the motorway

You obviously don't travel the M3. Also big difference between you traveling at 100 kph and the idiots I was referring to driving in excess of 120kph

emaherx · 25-09-2019 04:54PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways

From RSA

Do not use the outside lane if you are driving:
• a goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) of more than 3,500 kilogrammes such as a lorry or heavy goods vehicle;
• a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.
You may use it, however, in exceptional circumstances when you cannot proceed in the inner lane because of an obstruction ahead.

Base price · 25-09-2019 04:58PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways[/QUOTE]
HGV with a MAM of over 3500kgs and vehicles towing a trailer/caravan cannot use the outside lane of a motorway unless under exceptional circumstances where the inside lane is obstructed.

25-09-2019 05:15PM

Its a penalty point offence to drive a vehicle subject to an ordinary speed limit of 90k or less in the outside lane of a motorway

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 06:46PM

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

Lorries are supposed to be restricted to 80kph aswell

emaherx · 25-09-2019 06:55PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Lorries are supposed to be restricted to 80kph aswell

Was increased to 90kph

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 07:20PM

emaherx wrote: »

Was increased to 90kph

Good to know

wrangler · 25-09-2019 08:07PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Good to know

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

dzer2 · 25-09-2019 08:38PM

wrangler wrote: »

Reggie. wrote: »

Good to know

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

They all have limiters fitted but they are very easily over ridden.

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 08:45PM

wrangler wrote: »

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

That doesn't make then legal

wrangler · 25-09-2019 09:15PM

dzer2 wrote: »

They all have limiters fitted but they are very easily over ridden.

There's a tolerance on speed limits, so there's probably a tolerance on speed limiters too, trucks seem to all drive between 90 and 100

bogman_bass · 26-09-2019 06:54AM

If iou went to court and said “Your Honor, I was only speeding so other drivers were not inconvenienced” i’d Say you wouldn’t get much sympathy.
The speed limit for towing a trailer on a motorway remains 80kmph

Keep Sluicing · 26-09-2019 07:33AM

There was a machinery dealer lorry pulled into the entrance to my farm a feww days ago, 2 slurry pumps on the back and he wss towing a slurry tanker. It was a galvanised 1100 gallon tank with dribble bar.

I was heading out so i asked who he was looking for. Neighbouring farmer that milks 30 to 35 cows.

Bullocks · 26-09-2019 07:36AM

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

There was a machinery dealer lorry pulled into the entrance to my farm a feww days ago, 2 slurry pumps on the back and he wss towing a slurry tanker. It was a galvanised 1100 gallon tank with dribble bar.

I was heading out so i asked who he was looking for. Neighbouring farmer that milks 30 to 35 cows.

Imagine the scandal if he was a suckler calving 30 to 35 cows! Now that would put the neighbours talking rightly haha

MfMan · 26-09-2019 02:33PM

emaherx wrote: »

Illegal on all motorways.

Can lorries legally use the outside lane to overtake slower vehicles on the inside?
Saw an old man t'other day on the M17 in a 35x drawing an 8x4 cattle box. Cops would have gone to town on him.

wrangler · 26-09-2019 04:59PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

If iou went to court and said “Your Honor, I was only speeding so other drivers were not inconvenienced” i’d Say you wouldn’t get much sympathy.
The speed limit for towing a trailer on a motorway remains 80kmph

I have never got points so will carry on till I do, Lorries don't want you stuck in front of them, I delivered lambs this morning and most of the lorries that I tailed were doing nearer to 100 than 90.......normally I'd be gone out by them but this discussion had me curious.
maybe the hilux is wrong, must check it with the puegeot, I seldom abide by the speed limit with that either.
I'd go to Camolin regular, must be 190kms motorway, never see a speed van

emaherx · 26-09-2019 06:11PM

wrangler wrote: »

I have never got points so will carry on till I do, Lorries don't want you stuck in front of them, I delivered lambs this morning and most of the lorries that I tailed were doing nearer to 100 than 90.......normally I'd be gone out by them but this discussion had me curious.
maybe the hilux is wrong, must check it with the puegeot, I seldom abide by the speed limit with that either.
I'd go to Camolin regular, must be 190kms motorway, never see a speed van

If you are doing 100 by the clock on your Hilux you probably are doing closer to 90.

emaherx · 26-09-2019 06:16PM

MfMan wrote: »

Can lorries legally use the outside lane to overtake slower vehicles on the inside?
Saw an old man t'other day on the M17 in a 35x drawing an 8x4 cattle box. Cops would have gone to town on him.

No is the simple answer.
However a 35x is taking the piss, I'm sure any Guard who came across a lorry passing that wouldn't be concerned with the lorry.

Suppose lorry driver could claim the 35 was an obstruction in the inside lane? In which case maybe?

hopeso · 26-09-2019 07:50PM

wrangler wrote: »

I have never got points so will carry on till I do, Lorries don't want you stuck in front of them, I delivered lambs this morning and most of the lorries that I tailed were doing nearer to 100 than 90.......normally I'd be gone out by them but this discussion had me curious.
maybe the hilux is wrong, must check it with the puegeot, I seldom abide by the speed limit with that either.
I'd go to Camolin regular, must be 190kms motorway, never see a speed van

My opinion is that if you are being help up behind a lorry, it's because there's a car in front holding him up....and I'm always proven right. This isn't on duel carriage ways either, but normal rural Ireland roads. I don't know how lorry drivers stand it, being stuck behind some numpty doing 45mph in a perfectly capable car. I see it every time I go out.....

timple23 · 26-09-2019 08:21PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-8630/23043522

Hardly genuine hours?

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