Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

Panch18

Say my name wrote: »

Slatted tank at the feeding area with straw lie back.

the dung is great for the soil alright, there's nothing like dung for land

Say my name

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Can anyone provide me of a rough estimate for a new 14ft or 16ft tractor drawn cattle trailer. Would prefer for it to be on 400's for field access. Demountable would be ideal to get most use out of the thing, but not a must.
The Johnson triple purpose looks like a good job, although it only breaks down as far as a grain trailer.

Currently trying to figure out whether to get a 14ft tri-axle (and inevitably overload it on the jeep) or opt for a tractor drawn trailer.

What thickness of sheeting do most builders use for their sides?

Anyone know of where to locate decent second hand stock of the tractor trailers?

I feel a bit guilty for getting in front of your query.

So.... bump.

wrangler

funkey_monkey wrote: »

No need to feel guilty
Purchased machinery takes precedence over potential machinery - especially when photos are involved :pac:

Huge demand for cattle trailers on Done deal, they're never up for long if they're fresh, I sold a 20 by 8 a few years ago, it was sold in 12 hrs, the buyer told me he had missed a good few by not being quick enough and wasn't going to miss mine.......... I obviously didn't ask enough for it

wrangler

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Was it branded or home made? Any advice on what to avoid or look for? 20ft is too big for our needs though, especially on the roads we'll be on.

This is the trailer, there was no brakes on it but the axle was suitable for putting brake on it, A local makes them, I bought it in 2000 and sold it in 2017, I got €4000 at the time, It was always out but the steel floor was painted every two years, It wasn't an awkward trailer which I thought it would be, but naturally enough it needed a wide gate if you were going in off a narrow road.
If you have the work for a trailer they're a lifetime investment and worth spending a bit of money buying them


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Albert Johnson

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Whats the idea of the walkway on the roof? Is it used often?

It's used for checking stock in transit, also when loading stock on to a bigger body they don't always go up to the very front of the trailer which prevents filling it fully. With the walkway someone can walk along over head and encourage the stock to move along the full length of the trailer enabling getting​ a full load on. I'd recommend getting a dividing gate as it allows you tighten up stock on half loads which should lead to a better towing experience. It also allows you to split cows and calves or weaker animals to prevent trampling.

wrangler

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Whats the idea of the walkway on the roof? Is it used often?

I don't think I was ever up on the walkway, it there was only sheep in it since 2006

There was a dividing gate in it too...... you'd need it in anything over 15ft

TheBoyConor

wrangler wrote: »

This is the trailer, there was no brakes on it but the axle was suitable for putting brake on it, A local makes them, I bought it in 2000 and sold it in 2017, I got €4000 at the time,


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i often wonder about this. If some random fella is making trailers on an ad hoc basis with no formal engineering design and certification and sans any sort of braking system, what is the position when an accident happens or someone is injured while using the trailer? Will the user be insured? Will the manufacturer have products liability cover if the trailer was faulty or dangerous by design? Will the user or manufacturer be prosecuted for supplying/using an untested or uncertified trailer?

Sounds extreme I know but as they say it is all fine and grand until something goes wrong and someone is injured and has their solicitor on a crusade for compensation and will find any and every little detail to nail you on.

I see it with car trailers especially. Things cobbled together by some fella who thought himself handy with a welder and the thing is bombing up the road at 100km/hr bouncing all over the place with ne'er a brake or spring.

Especially nowadays when most tractors are 50km/hr and everything is much larger and heavier, the risks are much higher. Obviously a boreen chop shop welding up trailers from old lorry bodies isn't going to have the means to model the trailer and test it for dangerous handling or other funny behaviour in the way the designers of a more formal engineering firm would probably do. And importantly, testing of the welds.

I remember we had a chop shop grain trailer years ago and it was leathal on the road. When laden it would get into scary harmonic surges that would keep getting worse and worse until the front axle of the tractor started lifting off of the road. And this was at 30km/hr.

I'd imagine if such a trailer was made today, sold and subsequently was found to have been the main cause of a serious accident, the owner and/or manufacturer would be ridden rock solid by the courts.

Muckit

New trailers are plated now. Nobody should buy a new trailer, tractor or otherwise, that isn't plated.

TheBoyConor

Well yes of course all legitimate manufacturers do that. But I'm talking of the "fella down the road" who makes trailers, often out of the chassis of scrapped lorries and such. Are them sort of fellas still operating? That is the impression i got from the post.

We all see the bale trailers that are cobbled together from truck scraps. Often with extensions added into theh chassis too.

wrangler

TheBoyConor wrote: »

i often wonder about this. If some random fella is making trailers on an ad hoc basis with no formal engineering design and certification and sans any sort of braking system, what is the position when an accident happens or someone is injured while using the trailer? Will the user be insured? Will the manufacturer have products liability cover if the trailer was faulty or dangerous by design? Will the user or manufacturer be prosecuted for supplying/using an untested or uncertified trailer?

Sounds extreme I know but as they say it is all fine and grand until something goes wrong and someone is injured and has their solicitor on a crusade for compensation and will find any and every little detail to nail you on.

I see it with car trailers especially. Things cobbled together by some fella who thought himself handy with a welder and the thing is bombing up the road at 100km/hr bouncing all over the place with ne'er a brake or spring.

Especially nowadays when most tractors are 50km/hr and everything is much larger and heavier, the risks are much higher. Obviously a boreen chop shop welding up trailers from old lorry bodies isn't going to have the means to model the trailer and test it for dangerous handling or other funny behaviour in the way the designers of a more formal engineering firm would probably do. And importantly, testing of the welds.

I remember we had a chop shop grain trailer years ago and it was leathal on the road. When laden it would get into scary harmonic surges that would keep getting worse and worse until the front axle of the tractor started lifting off of the road. And this was at 30km/hr.

I'd imagine if such a trailer was made today, sold and subsequently was found to have been the main cause of a serious accident, the owner and/or manufacturer would be ridden rock solid by the courts.

I got a similar lecture from a guy nearly as soon as I put up the ad before telling me it was worth about 2500.
Next morning at 8 oclock I got a phone call from another guy asking was that my dog in the cage in the yard, he had phoned the night before but didn't say he was coming.
The first guy phoned at 9 oclock, it was with great pleasure I told him it was sold.....he couldn't believe it

enricoh

wrangler wrote: »

There was a fine trailer at the ploughing last year lift off cattle body and hydraulic ramps at the back for machinery,,,,,,,,, something like €26000 + vat
Can't just find it now, but here's an example
https://herbstmachinery.com/product/livestock-trailer/

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

wrangler

enricoh wrote: »

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

That pic was just an example of a lift off cattle body.

This is the real trailer I was referring to that cost 23000+vat.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/novel-3-in-1-trailer-launched-at-the-ploughing/

emaherx

TheBoyConor wrote: »

i often wonder about this. If some random fella is making trailers on an ad hoc basis with no formal engineering design and certification and sans any sort of braking system, what is the position when an accident happens or someone is injured while using the trailer? Will the user be insured? Will the manufacturer have products liability cover if the trailer was faulty or dangerous by design? Will the user or manufacturer be prosecuted for supplying/using an untested or uncertified trailer?

Sounds extreme I know but as they say it is all fine and grand until something goes wrong and someone is injured and has their solicitor on a crusade for compensation and will find any and every little detail to nail you on.

I see it with car trailers especially. Things cobbled together by some fella who thought himself handy with a welder and the thing is bombing up the road at 100km/hr bouncing all over the place with ne'er a brake or spring.

Especially nowadays when most tractors are 50km/hr and everything is much larger and heavier, the risks are much higher. Obviously a boreen chop shop welding up trailers from old lorry bodies isn't going to have the means to model the trailer and test it for dangerous handling or other funny behaviour in the way the designers of a more formal engineering firm would probably do. And importantly, testing of the welds.

I remember we had a chop shop grain trailer years ago and it was leathal on the road. When laden it would get into scary harmonic surges that would keep getting worse and worse until the front axle of the tractor started lifting off of the road. And this was at 30km/hr.

I'd imagine if such a trailer was made today, sold and subsequently was found to have been the main cause of a serious accident, the owner and/or manufacturer would be ridden rock solid by the courts.

Home made trailers are actually perfectly legal. They are restricted for use below 40kph unless certified and plated to say otherwise.

But it is possible to have any suitable trailer certified and plated there are companies who will assess them.

You are probably right about liability of manufacturers and owners if found to be a factor in a road accident though

Albert Johnson

wrangler wrote: »

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Whats the idea of the walkway on the roof? Is it used often?

I don't think I was ever up on the walkway, it there was only sheep in it since 2006

There was a dividing gate in it too...... you'd need it in anything over 15ft

That trailer looks a fine job to be fair although the one criticism I'd have of it is the lack of side vents especially if you'd be hauling loads of sheep. In warm weather I'd imagine there wouldn't be much air circulating through the body which could cause casualties with full loads if you weren't careful. If it was mainly a cattle trailer then this wouldn't really be an issue.

TheBoyConor

emaherx wrote: »

Home made trailers are actually perfectly legal. They are restricted for use below 40kph unless certified and plated to say otherwise.

But it is possible to have any suitable trailer certified and plated there are companies who will assess them.

You are probably right about liability of manufacturers and owners if found to be a factor in a road accident though

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

wrangler

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That trailer looks a fine job to be fair although the one criticism I'd have of it is the lack of side vents especially if you'd be hauling loads of sheep. In warm weather I'd imagine there wouldn't be much air circulating through the body which could cause casualties with full loads if you weren't careful. If it was mainly a cattle trailer then this wouldn't really be an issue.

Sheep wouldn't be in it very long but it would get warm some days, never lost one in it anyway.

Grueller

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

While I agree with you, it is foolproof on my farm as I have only one roadgoing tractor and it is 30k;)

emaherx

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

You don't need to be sure someone doesn't hook it up to a 50K tractor as that is their responsibility same could be said about someone hooking up a certified well engineered and plated 40K trailer and pulling it at 70k up the motorway behind a fast tractor as they would be equally liable. Such stupidity removes the liability from the trailer builder and places it completely on the driver.

bamayang

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

Thats a strange comment. If its perfectly legal and above board, then thats all there is to it.
If somebody has an accident, something else has failed and should be investigated the same as if an accident happened with the €26K trailer quoted above.

While I dont believe it the case, your comment sounds as if it is coming from someone who sells trailers... non chop-shop type obviously.

maidhc

bamayang wrote: »

Thats a strange comment. If its perfectly legal and above board, then thats all there is to it.
If somebody has an accident, something else has failed and should be investigated the same as if an accident happened with the €26K trailer quoted above.

While I dont believe it the case, your comment sounds as if it is coming from someone who sells trailers... non chop-shop type obviously.

The is an old saying that "no one gets fired for buying IBM". Law in this regard isn't much different. If you have a trailer that is cobbled together from three different bedfords and something breaks it is easy to point the finger. If you bought the best available then you are in the clear.

In fairness trailers made from old trucks are bodges of yokes for the most part anyway. A truck chassis is very different by design to a trailer one.

emaherx

maidhc wrote: »

The is an old saying that "no one gets fired for buying IBM". Law in this regard isn't much different. If you have a trailer that is cobbled together from three different bedfords and something breaks it is easy to point the finger. If you bought the best available then you are in the clear.

In fairness trailers made from old trucks are bodges of yokes for the most part anyway. A truck chassis is very different by design to a trailer one.

True, but not all home built trailers are cobbled together from old trucks either. Plenty of factory built trailers unsuitable for road use due to neglect too.

tractorporn

enricoh wrote: »

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

I thought the same last week. Are machinery manufacturers getting close to pricing themselves out of smaller markets like Ireland? The 113hp Kubota was 60k + vat, the 105 Massey was 80k + vat a d the 824 cent was 200k + vat. Not too many operations could justify spending like that. Second hands might end up very expensive yet

Say my name

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

Albert Johnson

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

Reggie.

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

Oh yess

Say my name

Albert Johnson wrote: »

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

3,500 kg towing capacity.
The Toyota landcruiser is 3,000 kgs I think and the Discovery is similar with 3,500 kg.
It's not really ground-breaking but it looks the part.

What you'd want for your job is a Unimog. :pac:

Military use the Daily 4x4 though. I think the Irish defence forces have one or two.

Albert Johnson

Say my name wrote: »

Albert Johnson wrote: »

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

3,500 kg towing capacity.
The Toyota landcruiser is 3,000 kgs I think and the Discovery is similar with 3,500 kg.
It's not really ground-breaking but it looks the part.

What you'd want for your job is a Unimog. :pac:

Military use the Daily 4x4 though. I think the Irish defence forces have one or two.

I thought the newer shape Land cruiser (2010 on) were only rated to 2500kg but am open to correction on this. The 2003-2010 model are 3000kg and the pre 03 model was 3500kg to the best of my knowledge. It's something I'm always amazed by that towing capacity​ is so low across the entire range of jeeps in our market.

Having looked at the entire video they haven't really produced anything revolutionary imo. It's basically a van on steroids with a price to match and is a niche product. Having said that it definitely wins in the "I've the most impressive looking off road vehicle stake's". As regards the Unimog I know nothing about them although I often meet one around Carraroe in Sligo that seems to be used as a farm vehicle.

Say my name

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I thought the newer shape Land cruiser (2010 on) were only rated to 2500kg but am open to correction on this. The 2003-2010 model are 3000kg and the pre 03 model was 3500kg to the best of my knowledge. It's something I'm always amazed by that towing capacity​ is so low across the entire range of jeeps in our market.

Having looked at the entire video they haven't really produced anything revolutionary imo. It's basically a van on steroids with a price to match and is a niche product. Having said that it definitely wins in the "I've the most impressive looking off road vehicle stake's". As regards the Unimog I know nothing about them although I often meet one around Carraroe in Sligo that seems to be used as a farm vehicle.

You could be right on the towing capacity.
I think the 3,000 kg could be for models not available on the Irish market? Info came from a uk site.

Going back to the Daily. You can get them with a pto as well for whatever implement takes your fancy.

https://www.iveco-dealership.co.uk/new-vehicles/daily-4x4

Although the way things are going with diesel you'd want it powered on bio methane or something..

blue5000

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

I heard of €900 labour for changing a timing belt though.

TheBoyConor

emaherx wrote: »

You don't need to be sure someone doesn't hook it up to a 50K tractor as that is their responsibility same could be said about someone hooking up a certified well engineered and plated 40K trailer and pulling it at 70k up the motorway behind a fast tractor as they would be equally liable. Such stupidity removes the liability from the trailer builder and places it completely on the driver.

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.


Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......