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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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    #5432
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The alleged murderers were THIRTEEN years of age.

    Just file that away for future reference.

    I just hope they get a sentence that allows their identities to be revealed once they are over 18.

    There’s no ‘alleged’ about it.

    They are guilty of murder. They are murderers.


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    #5433
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: Okay Kidchameleon, you've made it pretty blatantly clear that this is your opinion on the situation. The majority don't share the same opinion.

    So, for the sake of our collective sanity, let's agree to disagree and move on from this point and onto the other aspects of the case. Otherwise, any further attempts to continue down this track of victim blaming, and I'll have no choice but to think you're deliberately winding up other posters, and you'll be banned from the thread at the very least. And no, this is not up for debate.

    Jesus Christ...


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    #5434
    headnorth
    Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭headnorth


    Papers can't print anything that might identify boy a & b , radio & tv the same. And social media folk might get locked up too. Thank god for the courts own website.

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    #5435
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,912 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The Courts Website must be in cahoots with certain opticians.

    It is ridiculously small print, tiny in fact. Anwyay. Just saying it is not the most professional or accessible websites IMO.


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    #5436
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The Courts Website must be in cahoots with certain opticians.

    It is ridiculously small print, tiny in fact. Anwyay. Just saying it is not the most professional or accessible websites IMO.

    I’ve seen that extract from the courts web site previously. It only gives the initials of the ‘depraved sexual deviant perverted murderers’....there are simply thousands of not more people on these islands who would share the same initials so it’s not a whole lot of use in identifying the ‘fiends’....!!


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    #5437
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    splinter65 wrote: »
    There is a very clear advantage to a murderer pleading guilty.
    The advantage is to the family of the victim.
    If you plead guilty then you won’t have put the family of the victim through even more agony and misery then you have already caused them, by forcing them to sit through week after week of evidence of how you brutally murdered their child, and tried to get away with it.
    But the only victims you see here kidchameleon are the family of murderer b.
    So that’s not clear to you.
    It’s clear to any decent person with a moral compass. Just not you.

    Thats some nice virtue signaling there, well done


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    #5438
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Kidchameleon is blaming one set of parents, or one father anyway, namely the murdered girl's father. He feels sorry for the parents of the murderers though.

    Are you really saying that's a fair enough approach?

    I think it is very unfair to blame the parents of the murderers. They are as innocent as the Kriegels. They have done nothing to cause Anas death. Some posters in here are having a field day blaming A & B's parent's yet throw there toys out of the pram when their hypocracy is pointed out.


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    #5439
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: Okay Kidchameleon, you've made it pretty blatantly clear that this is your opinion on the situation. The majority don't share the same opinion.

    So, for the sake of our collective sanity, let's agree to disagree and move on from this point and onto the other aspects of the case. Otherwise, any further attempts to continue down this track of victim blaming, and I'll have no choice but to think you're deliberately winding up other posters, and you'll be banned from the thread at the very least. And no, this is not up for debate.

    Does this warning apply to people blaming the parents of the murderers or can I freely do that? Bear in mind they are innocent


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    #5440
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,268 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Does this warning apply to people blaming the parents of the murderers or can I freely do that? Bear in mind they are innocent

    They "raised" the murdering shìts. They arent innocent. I just hope they have no other children they can "raise".

    You obviously think raising a murdering shìt is great but thankfully most dont.

    And thats ignoring the scumbag antics of B's dad in court.


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    #5441
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The Courts Website must be in cahoots with certain opticians.

    It is ridiculously small print, tiny in fact. Anwyay. Just saying it is not the most professional or accessible websites IMO.

    Intersting article on the pending prosecutions for identifying the murderers

    https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/ireland-nearly-a-dozen-people-referred-for-prosecution-in-relation-to-identification-of-ana-kriegel-killers


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    #5442
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    You have to teach kids the difference between right and wrong.
    There seems to be some kind of notion that humans if left alone will naturally be caring selfless creatures.
    They won’t. They naturally turn into an Everyman for himself type creature.
    You have to teach them to be kind and think of others and tell them over and over that certain behaviors are not acceptable and that there will be consequences.
    You have to demonstrate it too. Lead by example.
    You will see signs and symptoms of your child’s deviancy from early on. That’s the time to get help.
    There’s no way you’d have a child of the wickedness of those boys in the house with you, be giving them the attention boys of that age need, and not know that there was something wrong with them.


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    #5443
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You have to teach kids the difference between right and wrong.
    There seems to be some kind of notion that humans if left alone will naturally be caring selfless creatures.
    They won’t. They naturally turn into an Everyman for himself type creature.
    You have to teach them to be kind and think of others and tell them over and over that certain behaviors are not acceptable and that there will be consequences.
    You have to demonstrate it too. Lead by example.
    You will see signs and symptoms of your child’s deviancy from early on. That’s the time to get help.
    There’s no way you’d have a child of the wickedness of those boys in the house with you, be giving them the attention boys of that age need, and not know that there was something wrong with them.

    Would a certain amount of ‘decency’ not apply to the legal profession also? Obviously not given some of the tactics/avenues that they went down in their defence of animals A and B......?


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    #5444
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Would a certain amount of ‘decency’ not apply to the legal profession also? Obviously not given some of the tactics/avenues that they went down in their defence of animals A and B......?

    Technically, we are all animals, you, me, Ana and those boys. Everyone


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    #5445
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Would a certain amount of ‘decency’ not apply to the legal profession also? Obviously not given some of the tactics/avenues that they went down in their defence of animals A and B......?

    Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a fair trial means a proper defence. They have a job to do and defending their client is that job.

    I'm glad they got a proper defence and pulled out all the stops, they can't complain then that they didn't try everything to weasel out of their crime.


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    #5446
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Would a certain amount of ‘decency’ not apply to the legal profession also? Obviously not given some of the tactics/avenues that they went down in their defence of animals A and B......?

    In order for everyone of us to be sure that justice is done, and when the accused is maintaining their innocence, then every single avenue must be explored by the defense when trying to disprove the prosecution evidence.
    If the consensual sex allegation hadn’t been brought up, presented as evidence at the trial, challenged and then discounted in the trial, then it would have been brought up at a later date, possibly in an Appeal or much later in maybe a newspaper interview with a family member of one of the murderers.
    This way it’s been proven in court that there was no consensual sex and it can’t rear its ugly head again.
    The Kriegels would have been warned that it was going to be alleged, and would have been ready.


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    #5447
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Technically, we are all animals, you, me, Ana and those boys. Everyone

    Ana is now a dead animal torn to shreds by animals who hadn’t been taught by their parents not to behave like animals.
    That’s what separates human beings from the animal kingdom, mostly.
    Thankfully most of the rest of us have been lifted above the level of wild hyenas by our parents.


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    #5448
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭abff


    I know everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a proper defence, but does a proper defence include lying through your teeth and trying to besmirch the reputation of the victim?


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    #5449
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    abff wrote: »
    I know everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a proper defence, but does a proper defence include lying through your teeth and trying to besmirch the reputation of the victim?

    Well they lied about the sex being consensual, they were very easily shown to be lying and proved themselves to be not only brutal murderers but lying cowardly brutal murderers in the process.
    Ana’s reputation remains as pure as the driven snow.


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    #5450
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    abff wrote: »
    I know everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a proper defence, but does a proper defence include lying through your teeth and trying to besmirch the reputation of the victim?
    The conduct of solicitors says:-

    It is the duty of the advocate to uphold fearlessly the proper interests of his client and to protect his client’s liberty. He is entitled to state every fact freely and to use every argument, whether technical or otherwise, that may be used in accordance with the law and within the rules of professional conduct. He should resist any attempt to restrict him or his client in the performance of this task.

    Interestingly, in relation to times where the client admits guilt (not saying the boys admitted anything to anyone here) but it also says:-

    In criminal matters it is a matter for the jury or the court, not for the advocate for
    the defence, to decide the guilt or innocence of his client. It is the duty of the solicitor for the defence to put the prosecution to proof of what it alleges and the solicitor may submit to the court that there is insufficient evidence adduced to justify a conviction.

    Where, prior to the commencement or during the course of any criminal case, a client admits to his solicitor that he is guilty of the charge, it is well settled that the solicitor need only decline to act in such proceedings if the client is insistent on giving evidence to deny such guilt or requires the making of a statement asserting his innocence. Where
    the client has admitted his guilt to his solicitor but will not be giving evidence, his solicitor may continue to act for him. The solicitor for the defence may also advance any other defence which obliges the prosecution to prove guilt other than protesting the client’s innocence.


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    #5451
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Well they lied about the sex being consensual.

    Nobody knows for sure. All we know is that things got out of hand


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    #5452
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Well they lied about the sex being consensual.

    Nobody knows for sure. All we know is that things got out of hand

    She was whacked over the head at the door and her clothes were ripped off her. At what point would things have got out of hand in your mind ?


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    #5453
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,268 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    She was whacked over the head at the door and her clothes were ripped off her. At what point would things have got out of hand in your mind ?
    We've seen enough of kidschameleons mind to know the answer is either never or that its her fathers fault. Dont blame those two angles and their beautiful parents no matter what.


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    #5454
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    She was whacked over the head at the door and her clothes were ripped off her. At what point would things have got out of hand in your mind ?

    What I mean is, we dont know what was discussed whilst they walked to the house. It could have been anything. We also dont know what the three youngsters spoke about in the preceding days/weeks


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    #5455
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What I mean is, we dont know what was discussed whilst they walked to the house. It could have been anything. We also dont know what the three youngsters spoke about in the preceding days/weeks

    None of which matters or has any bearing on the subsequent assault and murder . They attacked her and sexually assaulted her and murdered her on the day she died


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    #5456
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    None of which matters or has any bearing on the subsequent assault and murder . They attacked her and sexually assaulted her and murdered her on the day she died

    Are boy A & B's parents responsible for that?


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    #5457
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    None of which matters or has any bearing on the subsequent assault and murder . They attacked her and sexually assaulted her and murdered her on the day she died

    One of them did, not necessarily the other. And before you go nuts, yes they are both equally as guilty for the outcome


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    #5458
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Are boy A & B's parents responsible for that?

    Why are you replying this to me ?? I never mentioned them . Just goes to show that you simply have a blinkered agenda and can’t even discuss a point made .


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    #5459
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    I reckon if Kid Chameleon’s posts were deleted this threads post count would be cut in half.


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    #5460
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Nobody knows for sure. All we know is that things got out of hand

    Unreal attitude. Can only presume you’re related to them and a bit touched in the head as well. Evil spirits like these two monsters are irredeemable. Lying psychopaths like this are common enough in the prison system if you get someone who works there to to talk about it candidly. Any criminal psychologist will tell you they are utterly irredeemable. Both of them should get a bullet in the head and that would be a kindness.


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    #5461
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and a fair trial means a proper defence. They have a job to do and defending their client is that job.

    I'm glad they got a proper defence and pulled out all the stops, they can't complain then that they didn't try everything to weasel out of their crime.

    Are you trying to say that if their smug defence team didn’t put forward the ‘consensual’ theory as in it was a sexual encounter gone wrong then the two sadistic/deviants wouldn’t have had a fair trail......and may have escaped justice.....!!!


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