Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

El_Bee

spurious wrote: »

Ah here, Fine Gael described as lefties???:eek:

Shatter, Fitzgerald and Flanagan have been terrible minsters in regards to justice and law reform, and I'm not even going to get started on Zappone

corpusvile

Yeah okay but...Fine Gale as lefties though???:D

suicide_circus

corpusvile wrote: »

Yeah okay but...Fine Gale as lefties though???:D

SSM, Abortion, extra money for SW recipients, retaining the USC, attempting to introduce water charges; whatever about them being left wing, they're certainly not right wing!

Vicarious Function

Why is this thread gone off course?

tuxy

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Why is this thread gone off course?

Because there's nothing left to be discussed until sentencing.

Vicarious Function

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tuxy wrote: »

Because there's nothing left to be discussed until sentencing.

I don't think you get my point. What I mean is what has discussing whether Fine Gael are ""lefties" or not got to do with the subject of this thread. Also, who says there's nothing left to be discussed until the sentencing? (Oct 29). There has not been any ruling that says there is nothing to discuss. Far as I understand, this is a discussion thread which is still open.

Road-Hog

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was thinking the same, mrjoneill.

Was reading today that the Judge and legal team were back in court again today, dealing with Facebook and Twitter. The Judge is adamant that no photos or other identification of either boys be shared on social media, or there will be serious consequences. He's set a date of up to November 22 i.e after the sentencing is complete, for this ruling to apply. Can we expect that after that date, there will be no more rulings such as this?

Thinking of Boy B, he had so much opportunity to express remorse, but it never seemed to happen. The closest he seemed to come to remorse was when he said he was sorry he didn't listen to his father when he said he could have done something to get help. Also, the way he tried to make out that Ana was to be avoided, not somebody you'd want to be seen with. Even after what they did, he seemed to justify it.

I've nothing to add re Boy A. He seems to be a complete and utter psychopath of the most dangerous kind, that there is no hope for. He should never be let out in society again.

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Suckit

Would like to hear how they are finding Oberstown. Doubt we will her anything though, even if it doesn't actually provide any clue to their identity.

donkeykong5

Road-Hog wrote: »

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was thinking the same, mrjoneill.

Was reading today that the Judge and legal team were back in court again today, dealing with Facebook and Twitter. The Judge is adamant that no photos or other identification of either boys be shared on social media, or there will be serious consequences. He's set a date of up to November 22 i.e after the sentencing is complete, for this ruling to apply. Can we expect that after that date, there will be no more rulings such as this?

Thinking of Boy B, he had so much opportunity to express remorse, but it never seemed to happen. The closest he seemed to come to remorse was when he said he was sorry he didn't listen to his father when he said he could have done something to get help. Also, the way he tried to make out that Ana was to be avoided, not somebody you'd want to be seen with. Even after what they did, he seemed to justify it.

I've nothing to add re Boy A. He seems to be a complete and utter psychopath of the most dangerous kind, that there is no hope for. He should never be let out in society again.

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Animals would never carry on the way that A and B would. Maybe refer to them as murderer A and murderer B. Have other suggestions but dont want to risk a ban.

gozunda

Suckit wrote: »

Would like to hear how they are finding Oberstown. Doubt we will her anything though, even if it doesn't actually provide any clue to their identity.

Eerily there are certain similarities with one of the other inmates there. For everyone else's sake I hope they are kept apart...

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-attempted-murder-dun-laoghaire-4747882-Jul2019/

Sardonicat

gozunda wrote: »

Eerily there are certain similarities with one of the other inmates there. For everyone else's sake I hope they are kept apart...

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-attempted-murder-dun-laoghaire-4747882-Jul2019/

I read this earlier and what really struck make made me very angry us that when the parents sought help for his violent compulsions he wasn't admitted buto the parents were told to keep him under observation for 24hrs and we're essentially left to try and deal with this alone. If someone is deemed to be a serious danger to themselves or others to the degree that they need to be watched 24hrs a day, surely they have reached the criteria for involuntary admission to a secure mental health facility? That young woman is lucky to be alive. This attack could have been prevented if this boy has been admitted and assessed when his parents took him for help. If the professionals knew he was a risk why did it take an attempt on a young woman's life and this boy'so arrest before he was placed somewhere secure and a full assessment carried out? His life is ruined, her life is ruined and his parents 'lives are ruined despite their best efforts to prevent something like this from occurring.

Vicarious Function

gozunda wrote: »

Eerily there are certain similarities with one of the other inmates there. For everyone else's sake I hope they are kept apart...

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-attempted-murder-dun-laoghaire-4747882-Jul2019/

Sardonicat wrote: »

I read this earlier and what really struck make made me very angry us that when the parents sought help for his violent compulsions he wasn't admitted buto the parents were told to keep him under observation for 24hrs and we're essentially left to try and deal with this alone. If someone is deemed to be a serious danger to themselves or others to the degree that they need to be watched 24hrs a day, surely they have reached the criteria for involuntary admission to a secure mental health facility? That young woman is lucky to be alive. This attack could have been prevented if this boy has been admitted and assessed when his parents took him for help. If the professionals knew he was a risk why did it take an attempt on a young woman's life and this boy'so arrest before he was placed somewhere secure and a full assessment carried out? His life is ruined, her life is ruined and his parents 'lives are ruined despite their best efforts to prevent something like this from occurring.

Totally agree. I'm amazed that that boy is detained in Oberstown, rather than a mental facility.

He was supposed to be under 24 hour monitoring by his parents and the first time he's allowed outside the door, he attempts the murder on the the unfortunate lady. With all due respects to the parents, I'm wondering how he got away with all of the hours he spent watching porn and going on the Dark Web. Seems like those parents needed a lot more help thsn they were gettting, not only from a mental help point of view, but from a technology point of view.

Same with Boy A's and possibly Boy B's parents. They did not seem to have any control over what these boys were watching.

Surely now, the State needs to step in to set up controls re all of this porn and Dark Web involvement by young Boys/Men. If this is how they get their "sex education" , there is very little hope for the coming generation far as relationships go. The girls who believe they will find real Love with these boys, are to be pitied i.e. sympathised with. IMO.

Flippyfloppy

Road-Hog wrote: »

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Nicknames like monster a or animal b would only glorify them, attract cult like status. Infantile names like boy a and b are good enough for them.

El_Bee

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Surely now, the State needs to step in to set up controls re all of this porn and Dark Web involvement by young Boys/Men. If this is how they get their "sex education" , there is very little hope for the coming generation far as relationships go. The girls who believe they will find real Love with these boys, are to be pitied i.e. sympathised with. IMO.

Ah sure there's nothing to be done, in the same way everyone who passes their driving test is an expert on the workings of an internal combustion engine, every child who has access to a computer/phone/tablet is an expert in network protocols and how to bypass them. Sure this guy was able to use Tor that proves every other child in the country can as well. Also we don't want a nanny state enforcing things on us it'd be just like nazi germany.

iamwhoiam

El_Bee wrote: »

Ah sure there's nothing to be done, in the same way everyone who passes their driving test is an expert on the workings of an internal combustion engine, every child who has access to a computer/phone/tablet is an expert in network protocols and how to bypass them. Sure this guy was able to use Tor that proves every other child in the country can as well. Also we don't want a nanny state enforcing things on us it'd be just like nazi germany.

So you think the state clamping down on young children watching hard porn is like the Nazi state ? Well no it isn’t actually

Emme

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So you think the state clamping down on young children watching hard porn is like the Nazi state ? Well no it isn’t actually

+100 to that. I don't think anyone, men or women, benefits from watching hard "torture" porn on the internet, particularly what's on the dark web. The BDSM community may not agree, but I'm talking about porn where the actors (or victims) involved do not have the option of a safeword and there are no rules or regulations.

ampleforth

Birneybau wrote: »

Nah, never.

Dexter Morgan will grow up that is for sure...

Limpy

Emme wrote: »

+100 to that. I don't think anyone, men or women, benefits from watching hard "torture" porn on the internet, particularly what's on the dark web. The BDSM community may not agree, but I'm talking about porn where the actors (or victims) involved do not have the option of a safeword and there are no rules or regulations.

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

punisher5112

I'm actually surprised more doesn't happen to be honest as I come across all sorts when at work and not unfortunately.

Some seriously deluded people out there.

ScottCapper

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

the majority of these parents are scrotes no better.

tuxy

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

It exists because encryption was invented. They could prevent it by taking the whole internet offline.

Although Boy A did a clear net search for dark web there is absently no evidence he ever used the tor network. There were no reports of such software had ever been installed on his phone.

tuxy

Limpy wrote: »

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

How could they come forward without being in contempt of court for helping to identify the boys? I don't think anyone would care about some anonymous apology.

iamwhoiam

tuxy wrote: »

How could they come forward without being in contempt of court for helping to identify the boys? I don't think anyone would care about some anonymous apology.

I don’t see why not . They could just say they are the parents of A or B and put out a statement via the solicitor

Vicarious Function

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t see why not . They could just say they are the parents of A or B and put out a statement via the solicitor

Maybe, at a later stage after the sentencing etc is done and dusted, we may hear from the parents, even at an anonymous level.

The sad thing is the youngsters know more than the parents do about getting into these dangerous sites.

Regarding Dun Laoghaire Boy, he was on these sites every night from midnight to 6 a.m. Without sleep, no wonder he was hearing voices. In hindsight now, there must have been a way his parents could have deprived him of his computer ware during the night. But then, they possibly feared for their own safety, if they came down on him too strictly. They probably already had a good idea as to what he was capable of.

Suckit

Files sent to DPP over naming of Ana Kriegel’s killers
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/files-sent-to-dpp-over-naming-of-ana-kriegels-killers-942486.html

corpusvile

Limpy wrote: »

How come something like the dark Web can exist? And how can they stop it from existing.

Would it be possible if the parents of both murderers could apologise for the actions of these two. I mean if it was my kid and he did that I would disown him. But these people are side by side defending them, Offering support ect.

Dont give me the "it's maternal instinct" ect. They are adults who know what's right and wrong.

It's not as black & white as that there's far more than porn on the dark web, it's also used by human rights & democracy campaigners who are living under dictatorships. It's simply the unregulated net & in such an environment you get good & bad, but the criminal/nasty aspects are just part of the dark web not all of it.

Psychopathic killer Alexander Pacteau’s mother has expressed genuine remorse over his brutal murder of Karen Buckley in Glasgow, even though at first couldn’t countenance that he might be connected with her disappearance. I don’t think his father made any public comment, though I could be wrong there. From what I saw on social media it seemed their other children are normally-adjusted human beings who get on with both parents. I also saw that the mother once had an unfortunate relationship with a not-very-nice man, I think before she married her now ex-husband. Apparently Alexander was sociopathic since he was very young.

At some stage it is likely enough that a parent will make an anonymous apology, even with the help of wording that from a member of clergy etc.

pablo128

Deleted User wrote: »

Psychopathic killer Alexander Pacteau’s mother has expressed genuine remorse over his brutal murder of Karen Buckley in Glasgow, even though at first couldn’t countenance that he might be connected with her disappearance. I don’t think his father made any public comment, though I could be wrong there. From what I saw on social media it seemed their other children are normally-adjusted human beings who get on with both parents. I also saw that the mother once had an unfortunate relationship with a not-very-nice man, I think before she married her now ex-husband. Apparently Alexander was sociopathic since he was very young.

At some stage it is likely enough that a parent will make an anonymous apology, even with the help of wording that from a member of clergy etc.

They won't say anything until any appeals are done and dusted.

Larsso30

tuxy wrote: »

It exists because encryption was invented. They could prevent it by taking the whole internet offline.

Although Boy A did a clear net search for dark web there is absently no evidence he ever used the tor network. There were no reports of such software had ever been installed on his phone.

It was actually created by the USA government.

sk8erboii

Larsso30 wrote: »

It was actually created by the USA government.

LOL

Yes. Math was created in 1777