Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Hannibal_Smith · 07-09-2019 12:48PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

At the very least, Patric has admitted that he did not know who Ana was going out with or where she was going.

What's that supposed to mean?

McCrack · 07-09-2019 01:05PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean?

Trolling

splinter65 · 07-09-2019 01:16PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed, we know nothing about the parents of the boys yet you are speculating. At the very least, Patric has admitted that he did not know who Ana was going out with or where she was going.

So kidchameleon so far we have:
Shame on me
Shame on Anas father
Shame on anyone who describes a child as beautiful
But no shame on the two murderers or the father of one of the murderers who behaved like an animal in court...
Is anyone else spotting a pattern here or is it just me?!?

splinter65 · 07-09-2019 01:22PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean?

It means that for kidchameleon the two murderers are victims of a gross injustice as the father of the dead child must take responsibility for her murder because he let her leave the house in the company of poor boy b.
If you ever needed an example of victim blaming so that you could demonstrate it to a class then this is it.
For kidchameleon though, the father of boy b,is, by comparison a shining example of fatherly love and devotion due to his petulant our of control outburst in court.
I. Kid. You. Not.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 02:11PM

splinter65 wrote: »

So kidchameleon so far we have:
Shame on me

Yes, for blaming innocent people on the actions of others

splinter65 wrote: »

Shame on Anas father

If you are referring to Patric Kreigel then no, he just made an error of judgement. He seems like a very nice man.

splinter65 wrote: »

Shame on anyone who describes a child as beautiful

You could say that yes. I find it strange.

splinter65 wrote: »

But no shame on the two murderers

Absolutely, shame on them

splinter65 wrote: »

or the father of one of the murderers who behaved like an animal in court...

As I have said, he acted wrongly during a time of intense stress, I understand and have sympathy for him.

splinter65 wrote: »

Is anyone else spotting a pattern here or is it just me?!?

Your looking for a pattern but there is none

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 02:21PM

splinter65 wrote: »

It means that for kidchameleon the two murderers are victims of a gross injustice as the father of the dead child must take responsibility for her murder because he let her leave the house in the company of poor boy b.
If you ever needed an example of victim blaming so that you could demonstrate it to a class then this is it.
For kidchameleon though, the father of boy b,is, by comparison a shining example of fatherly love and devotion due to his petulant our of control outburst in court.
I. Kid. You. Not.

You are obsessed with blaming the parents of the boys yet fail to see your hypocrisy when it is pointed out to you that Patric Kreigel made a similar error ie. failed to know where his child was and what she was up to. I don't want to have to do this so please stop blaming A&B's parents.

splinter65 · 07-09-2019 02:47PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You are obsessed with blaming the parents of the boys yet fail to see your hypocrisy when it is pointed out to you that Patric Kreigel made a similar error ie. failed to know where his child was and what she was up to. I don't want to have to do this so please stop blaming A&B's parents.

No one is forcing you to respond to any post.
You could easily put me in ignore.
You’ve taken the position of being the champion of the father of murderer b but unfortunately for you I'm under no obligation to stop commenting on anything under instruction from you so that puts the ball back in your court.
Feel free to report any post you think breaks forum rules but, no, I won’t stop commenting on the responsibility I think parents of minors bear for the actions of those minors.

Road-Hog · 07-09-2019 02:51PM

Should judge just not play it safe and give this sadistic sexual deviant abominations the max sentence available rather than trying to ‘fine tune’ the sentences by getting all sorts of reports done on them when I would think we could almost all ages these pair of monsters are beyond redemption.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 07-09-2019 02:51PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You are obsessed with blaming the parents of the boys yet fail to see your hypocrisy when it is pointed out to you that Patric Kreigel made a similar error ie. failed to know where his child was and what she was up to. I don't want to have to do this so please stop blaming A&B's parents.

Please stop blaming the father of this murdered girl for her murder.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 02:58PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Please stop blaming the father of this murdered girl for her murder.

I'm certain he blames himself, I would if I were in his position.

hatrickpatrick · 07-09-2019 03:00PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed, we know nothing about the parents of the boys yet you are speculating.

That’s not correct. We know Boy B’s father verbally abused the court and the jury in an expletive laden outburst - in the presence of the deceased’s grieving family, no less - which is something I 100% regard as evidence of someone being an out and out scumbag. The kinds of people who behave like this in court are not the kinds of people who behave like decent people the rest of the time. The kinds of people who behave like this in court are the kinds of people who engage in anti social behavior and show absolutely no remorse when prosecuted for it. I’ve sat in on enough court cases over the years to have seen that pattern - I’ve never seen someone who was eventually found innocent behave like this in a courtroom. But plenty of people up on charges of assault, public disorder, vandalism, etc routinely behave this way in the dock.

Read the transcript and decide for yourself. His behavior was not the behavior of a decent law abiding person.

Just my opinion, obviously...

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 03:05PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Just my opinion, obviously...

Your opinion is wrong in this case

knucklehead6 · 07-09-2019 03:07PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong in this case

Errrrmmmmm

How do you know his opinion is wrong??

Sounds like your mask has slipped a wee bit and you actually know Dad B

hatrickpatrick · 07-09-2019 03:13PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong in this case

That’s your opinion, of course. So we’ll have to just agree to disagree. Shouting and swearing in a courtroom is one of the things which immediately marks a person in the “most likely a scumbag” column in my book, and there aren’t many examples of behavior which will prejudice me towards somebody in this manner. Very, very few. But this is one of them.

Hannibal_Smith · 07-09-2019 04:31PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Please stop blaming the father of this murdered girl for her murder.

I'm certain he blames himself, I would if I were in his position.

He did nothing to blame himself for.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 04:42PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

He did nothing to blame himself for.

Other than the outburst in the courtroom, do you think the parents of A and B did anything they should be blaming themselves for?

Suckit · 07-09-2019 04:49PM

Allowing their children to plead not guilty and dragging Ana's parents through courts would be something they should be looking at.
No matter how much they wanted to believe their children were innocent, it was obvious that neither were from very early on.

Hannibal_Smith · 07-09-2019 04:50PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

He did nothing to blame himself for.

Other than the outburst in the courtroom, do you think the parents of A and B did anything they should be blaming themselves for?

Patric Kreigel did NOTHING to blame himself for in relation to his daughter's murder. Without qualification or what ifs.

If I was the parent of a scumbag murderer I would ask myself a few questions alright. I certainly wouldnt act the way that Father did and show my total lack of class and composure like he did.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 04:58PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If I was the parent of a scumbag murderer I would ask myself a few questions alright..

Do you think Patric ever regretted letting Ana go with that boy? Geraldine knew immediately that Ana was in trouble when she found out she went off with the boy, why didnt Patrick know Ana was in danger? Geraldine stated that she would not have let Ana go off with him yet Patric had no problem with it.

If someone tells me that the parents of A and B "should have known" what they were up to then I think it is fair to say that Patric should have been aware also.

Suckit · 07-09-2019 05:03PM

Why would anyone ever suspect that letting their daughter go out for a few minutes with a boy of the same age, think it would lead to that?
You are patheticly spinning the same line to get a reaction for almost 5 months now. Not sure why anyone (including myself) responds to these posts that are obviously written to provoke.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 05:08PM

Suckit wrote: »

Why would anyone ever suspect that letting their daughter go out for a few minutes with a boy of the same age, think it would lead to that?
You are patheticly spinning the same line to get a reaction for almost 5 months now. Not sure why anyone (including myself) responds to these posts that are obviously written to provoke.

Why dont you ask Geraldine Kriegel...

"Geraldine Kriegel tells court she was 'immediately concerned' when Ana left home with one of accused"

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/geraldine-kriegel-tells-court-immediately-14981649

Suckit · 07-09-2019 05:11PM

You have no idea why Geraldine Kriegel was concerned, there could have been a thousand reasons. I doubt she ever thought that murder was going to be one of them. I'm also fairly certain that she or anyone in a similar position wouldn't want you, me or anyone posting on her behalf to make some nonsense point.

Hannibal_Smith · 07-09-2019 05:11PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If I was the parent of a scumbag murderer I would ask myself a few questions alright..

Do you think Patric ever regretted letting Ana go with that boy? Geraldine knew immediately that Ana was in trouble when she found out she went off with the boy, why didnt Patrick know Ana was in danger? Geraldine stated that she would not have let Ana go off with him yet Patric had no problem with it.

If someone tells me that the parents of A and B "should have known" what they were up to then I think it is fair to say that Patric should have been aware also.

Patric did nothing wrong. He is in no way to blame what happened to his daughter.

You're shooting yourself in the foot there. If The boys' parents couldn't have known that their sons were murderers, then how the hell could Patric have known.

It is the lowest form of reason to think that any finger should be pointed at the father of a girl who was murdered. Its just a ridiculous attempt to deflect attention from the murderers and the atrocious way that father acted in court. They are the only ones to blame for what they did.

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 05:28PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They are the only ones to blame for what they did.

THAT IS MY FREAKING POINT

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 05:38PM

Suckit wrote: »

You have no idea why Geraldine Kriegel was concerned, there could have been a thousand reasons. I doubt she ever thought that murder was going to be one of them. I'm also fairly certain that she or anyone in a similar position wouldn't want you, me or anyone posting on her behalf to make some nonsense point.

And yet there are posters in here who think the parents of A and B should have known that they were murderers.

McCrack · 07-09-2019 05:43PM

The parents of these murderers do need to take a long look at themselves particularly with the overwhelming forensic evidence which would have been disclosed in the Book of Evidence prior to the trial and allowed their disgusting teenage killers to plead not guilty

Suckit · 07-09-2019 05:44PM

He has been saying the same line, with the same rhetoric since he started posting. Mainly so he can try and corner other posters and reply with the same line he's been replying with.

Not worth reading or replying to, to be honest.

tuxy · 07-09-2019 05:47PM

McCrack wrote: »

The parents of these murderers do need to take a long look at themselves particularly with the overwhelming forensic evidence which would have been disclosed in the Book of Evidence prior to the trial and allowed their disgusting teenage killers to plead not guilty

There was no forensic evidence against Boy B, the main evidence was his interviews in the Garda station.

McCrack · 07-09-2019 05:53PM

tuxy wrote: »

There was no forensic evidence against Boy B, the main evidence was his interviews in the Garda station.

Yes and all contained in the Book of Evidence

Presumably one of his parents sat in on the interviews too

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 05:53PM

McCrack wrote: »

The parents of these murderers do need to take a long look at themselves particularly with the overwhelming forensic evidence which would have been disclosed in the Book of Evidence prior to the trial and allowed their disgusting teenage killers to plead not guilty

OH FFS, we have been over this, in Ireland there is no advantage to pleading guilty. Its the law, I don't like it but that's the way it is.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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