My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

charolais0153 · 04-09-2019 01:06PM

Welding Rod wrote: »

It’s the most stupid scheme ever invented in my opinion.
Why you would volunteer to cut back future production for a few shekels now, is just counter intuitive for most people.
Better for the government spend what they have to, in order to tear into the cozy selfie serving relationships between the beef barons and the retailers. They set up the CAB and created targeted legislation to tear into organised crime after Veronica Guerin was shot. To be fair to the guards, they ripped into the thugs and the rest is history.

There is new and more targeted legislation and appropriately resourced supervisory / investigatory body needed to flake into the barons and the retailers.

Time to bring them to heel with a bang.

Producing more for less is counterintuitive, take the money and run, you'll be aswell off with less work

dohc turbo2 · 04-09-2019 01:55PM

Dozer1 wrote: »

unless there is an app offered through ICBF where you can see you N levels on an easy basis then I'd be slow advising anyone to join, as already pointed out as cattle age there N level is increased.

either way its a quota in my opinion so they can shove it

On the ICBF if u look at stock numbers month by month you would be able to keep an eye on it

pure breed · 04-09-2019 07:40PM

Dozer1 wrote:

unless there is an app offered through ICBF where you can see you N levels on an easy basis then I'd be slow advising anyone to join, as already pointed out as cattle age there N level is increased.

Great point, I agree there needs to be a easy way of seeing your value in kgs by a weekly, monthly or whatever way instead of having to calculate yourself.

Base price · 04-09-2019 08:35PM

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

On the ICBF if u look at stock numbers month by month you would be able to keep an eye on it

pure breed wrote: »

Great point, I agree there needs to be a easy way of seeing your value in kgs by a weekly, monthly or whatever way instead of having to calculate yourself.

Why pay a entity/service provider to view that information.

DAFM via Agfood have all our cattle statistics but unfortunately afaik they only record our farm nitrates information per quarter.

Methinks that we need to request that they provide a time pertinent - daily/weekly nitrate statement.

Dozer1 · 04-09-2019 09:42PM

Because Base they have pretty much forced a sign up to ICBF as a result of the latest beef schemes so they might aswell do the app as a result - BEEP being one example, you can only record weights on ICBF.

As for the interest free loan view BASS...already got a rap on the knuckles for GLAS and sent them a cheque back for it this week so I'll pass thanks

Cavanjack · 04-09-2019 10:12PM

Dozer1 wrote: »

Because Base they have pretty much forced a sign up to ICBF as a result of the latest beef schemes so they might aswell do the app as a result - BEEP being one example, you can only record weights on ICBF.

As for the interest free loan view BASS...already got a rap on the knuckles for GLAS and sent them a cheque back for it this week so I'll pass thanks

What did you go down on?

Dozer1 · 04-09-2019 10:20PM

P soil levels,
soil samples results arrived after I had fert bought and out.. lesson learned

High bike · 04-09-2019 10:22PM

Dozer1 wrote: »

P soil levels,
soil samples results arrived after I had fert bought and out.. lesson learned

what % penalty was it for that?

tractorporn · 04-09-2019 10:23PM

Great point, I agree there needs to be a easy way of seeing your value in kgs by a weekly, monthly or whatever way instead of having to calculate yourself.[/quote]

What your asking for is literally available on agfood to see along with P and K statements.

I see base beat me to it, but from quarterly figures you should be able to monitor your N.

I says · 05-09-2019 12:01AM

Looked at it there I qualify for it for what I killed in the window all I’ll get is the price of a finished Bullock so I’m out, to much hassle trying to worry about nitrates as well as all the other paper work so fcuk it I’ll not loose sleep over it.
The way things are going I’d be as well off taking down every internal gate buy min stocking rate and let them roam the place from one end of the year to the next. No silage, no shed, no tractor, no fert no nothing. Only time to look at stock is herd test.

wrangler · 05-09-2019 07:15AM

I says wrote: »

Looked at it there I qualify for it for what I killed in the window all I’ll get is the price of a finished Bullock so I’m out, to much hassle trying to worry about nitrates as well as all the other paper work so fcuk it I’ll not loose sleep over it.
The way things are going I’d be as well off taking down every internal gate buy min stocking rate and let them roam the place from one end of the year to the next. No silage, no shed, no tractor, no fert no nothing. Only time to look at stock is herd test.

Yea, joe healy was at our County exec last night, he was worried about the poor take up as they're looking for more money for after may sales and he knows he'll be told he's only crying wolf now, apparently he was told that after only €19m out of €25 m was applied for in the sheep welfare.
He's finishing up now so came to see us, be a huge waste if he doesn't do something in Agriculture now rather than going back to farming.
He gave a good report on the talks, can't believe it's nearly another week before they talk again. He says the CPPC useless and pointing to the door he said he wouldn't even ask them to open that door. He's meeting them on Friday, They're no friend of the producer......public service again

Welding Rod · 05-09-2019 07:18AM

We’ll have to do the same as the Killarney Jarvies. Put nappy’s on the cattle!!!

Bass Reeves · 05-09-2019 08:27AM

I says wrote: »

Looked at it there I qualify for it for what I killed in the window all I’ll get is the price of a finished Bullock so I’m out, to much hassle trying to worry about nitrates as well as all the other paper work so fcuk it I’ll not loose sleep over it.
The way things are going I’d be as well off taking down every internal gate buy min stocking rate and let them roam the place from one end of the year to the next. No silage, no shed, no tractor, no fert no nothing. Only time to look at stock is herd test.

Its a case of apply for it and if it happens it happen if not they take the money back. But its a bit ridiculous expecting lads that are getting less than 1K to reduce emissions across there whole herd. Suckler farmers definately should apply easy enough to manage it do not replace an cows you cull. if culling one cow on twenty it would get you across the line.

Sami23 · 05-09-2019 09:54AM

Dozer1 wrote: »

P soil levels,
soil samples results arrived after I had fert bought and out.. lesson learned

So what was the problem. Your P was too high ?
How did they know where u spread it

Robson99 · 05-09-2019 09:58AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Apply farm away and look at it as an interest free loan

Exactly Too good for finishers to leave behind. Ways around it. Increase stock for summer reduce over winter period.. transfer in other herd no for a few months...etc.

Dozer1 · 05-09-2019 11:22AM

I don't want to derail the thread but basically I had an inspection, all fine on leaving he looked for fert & meal purchases for 2016 year I did the sampling.

Sampling was done in 2016 but didn't get results till mid 2017 as the planner was waiting for the dept site to be setup (most will remember the delays). Turns out the land I had bought was really high in P and I had spread 18:6:12 on it so I was way over, so he reported me to cross compliance (pollution risk etc) as is the rules and between that fine and losing LIPP for a year its costing me é1950.....

Listen my own fault I should have chased results sooner, inspector was fair, wrote to Cross Compliance and got fine reduced to 3% or 5% from possible 15% or something.

Green&Red · 05-09-2019 11:33AM

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t go for it?
If you don’t meet the target you lose the grant, you’re back to where you started. You can actually get the grant, decide that you don’t want to reduce your numbers (for whatever reason) and give back the grant money

Worse case scenario you lose 100% of the grant.

Environmental targets are the way things are going, may as well get the cash out of it

orm0nd · 05-09-2019 11:38AM

Just had a long chat with a guy who'll be drawing near the max. As far as he's concerned it's a no brainer. He intends to turn a bundle of ewe lambs instead. Even though he hasn't lambed sheep in years he would be fairly cawny as far as sheep are concerned.

He finishes a couple of hundred of kerry lambs each year as well.

zetor 4911 · 05-09-2019 11:52AM

Dozer1 wrote: »

I don't want to derail the thread but basically I had an inspection, all fine on leaving he looked for fert & meal purchases for 2016 year I did the sampling.

Sampling was done in 2016 but didn't get results till mid 2017 as the planner was waiting for the dept site to be setup (most will remember the delays). Turns out the land I had bought was really high in P and I had spread 18:6:12 on it so I was way over, so he reported me to cross compliance (pollution risk etc) as is the rules and between that fine and losing LIPP for a year its costing me é1950.....

Listen my own fault I should have chased results sooner, inspector was fair, wrote to Cross Compliance and got fine reduced to 3% or 5% from possible 15% or something.

Did you give him the fertiliser dockets on the day of the inspection?

Sami23 · 05-09-2019 12:09PM

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Did you give him the fertiliser dockets on the day of the inspection?

Maby a key learning for us all if we have an inspection is to hold back some fertiliser dockets just in case.

White Clover · 05-09-2019 12:11PM

I have applied as it's worth a good bit of money to me. I had intended cutting back on the cattle and increasing the sheep anyway.

epfff · 06-09-2019 09:22PM

Anyone else find it mad that ifa are now calling for the 5% nitrates to be changed after spending months telling us how great of a deal they negoated?

Sami23 · 06-09-2019 09:36PM

epfff wrote: »

Anyone else find it mad that ifa are now calling for the 5% nitrates to be changed after spending months telling us how great of a deal they negoated?

What do they want it changed to

High bike · 06-09-2019 09:45PM

Bit late for that now

dohc turbo2 · 06-09-2019 10:00PM

epfff wrote: »

Anyone else find it mad that ifa are now calling for the 5% nitrates to be changed after spending months telling us how great of a deal they negoated?

I taught it was the inhfa that was looking for that not the ifa

epfff · 07-09-2019 01:25AM

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

epfff wrote: »

Anyone else find it mad that ifa are now calling for the 5% nitrates to be changed after spending months telling us how great of a deal they negoated?

I taught it was the inhfa that was looking for that not the ifa

Ifa released statement this evening i think

wrangler · 07-09-2019 06:19AM

Sami23 wrote: »

What do they want it changed to

IFA didn't know about that or any of the Ts and Cs until they were announced, they got the money from brussels, Joe healy said on Wednesday night that they tried to change it since but it was a requirement by the EU for drawing down the money so it was either that or no money. That's the way it'll be for now on, unless there's a bonus for the climate change there'll be no subsidies, The new CAP reform will be more of the same so you'll need to be getting used to it.
IFA are trying now to increase the payments now,
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/changes-needed-to-beam-for-full-draw-down-of-funding-ifa

kk.man · 07-09-2019 09:20PM

I killed 50 odd cattle last year and I have 28 in the reference period. So I have applied for it and I will keep more ewe hoggets to make up my reduction in stocking rate. The scheme says it must be bovine reduction not ovine to my surprise!

Danzy · 07-09-2019 09:32PM

Nitrates reduction voluntary now, in a short few years, it won't be.

Lady Haywire · 07-09-2019 11:00PM

Danzy wrote: »

Nitrates reduction voluntary now, in a short few years, it won't be.

If it becomes compulsory it'd better be across the board. Not telling one sector to cut numbers & another sector allowed to expand.

My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

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