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My €100m BEAM scheme

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  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    wrangler wrote: »
    It's scandalous that , after IFA getting €50m from Europe, some desk driver fecks it up like that for farmers.

    The I.F.A. ???


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    i sent 24 cattle to factory. its my understanding they want you to reduce the no of CATTLE during 07/20 -06/21 on agfood they have me down as having 1908kgs (livestock manure nitrogen); 5% of this 96kgs(which is 2 cattle i need to have less in 01/07/20-30/07/21..)

    but the problem is im struggling to work out where they got 1908kgs from i have a mix of 1-2 yr old cattle and >2yr olds.

    I had 32 cattle in 2018 & 36 in 2019(within the ref. period) and as some cattle became >24 months during the ref period so im not understanding this
    anyone else having this issue?

    also next yr if i have more cattle ...the only penalty is i just give the aid money back? no penalties etc this right? tks


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The I.F.A. ???

    Yea Joe healy even said on the news since I put up that post, had it been left to the Public Disservice it'd never have been got


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    i sent 24 cattle to factory. its my understanding they want you to reduce the no of CATTLE during 07/20 -06/21 on agfood they have me down as having 1908kgs (livestock manure nitrogen); 5% of this 96kgs(which is 2 cattle i need to have less in 01/07/20-30/07/21..)

    but the problem is im struggling to work out where they got 1908kgs from i have a mix of 1-2 yr old cattle and >2yr olds.

    I had 32 cattle in 2018 & 36 in 2019(within the ref. period) and as some cattle became >24 months during the ref period so im not understanding this
    anyone else having this issue?

    also next yr if i have more cattle ...the only penalty is i just give the aid money back? no penalties etc this right? tks
    the 1908 kgs is worked out on a daily basis depending on the cattle’s ages, don’t know what the story is on the penalty if ur over


  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    if you apply for this folks do you only have reduce the 4 or 5% till 2021 can you go back up again without risking a penalty.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    I cant understand why Farm Organisations didn't insist on other means of reducing carbon than stock reduction , ie less concentrates , earlier turnout etc!


  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    I cant understand why Farm Organisations didn't insist on other means of reducing carbon than stock reduction , ie less concentrates , earlier turnout etc!

    have to agree and plus if they are that worried about things there has been no grant etc to change lights to led in farm yard sheds etc. Come winter time we all know the amount of energy used. its only a small thing but can have a huge impact


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I cant understand why Farm Organisations didn't insist on other means of reducing carbon than stock reduction , ie less concentrates , earlier turnout etc!

    I think the EU insisted on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭Robson99


    gerryirl wrote: »
    if you apply for this folks do you only have reduce the 4 or 5% till 2021 can you go back up again without risking a penalty.

    Ya one year only. Too good to leave behind. Think I will carry extra for summer and then cut back what I put into te shed for winter


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    High bike wrote: »
    the 1908 kgs is worked out on a daily basis depending on the cattle’s ages, don’t know what the story is on the penalty if ur over
    okay thanks so if it done on daily basis.. the only way to match it is to go through every month and work out the age of each animal, and take the average?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,179 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I cant understand why Farm Organisations didn't insist on other means of reducing carbon than stock reduction , ie less concentrates , earlier turnout etc!

    It'd be too hard for the Dept to police and weather dependent.
    Stocking rates is easily done by algorithms on the dept cmms system to show any offenders.

    They'll be a few different things brought in though I'd say.
    From feed additives to covers on open slurry tanks to the already slurry injection systems in place to the seai grant on solar and biomass system purely mostly for farm use.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I cant understand why Farm Organisations didn't insist on other means of reducing carbon than stock reduction , ie less concentrates , earlier turnout etc!

    Impossible to monitor or police, livestock database will be surer


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    okay thanks so if it done on daily basis.. the only way to match it is to go through every month and work out the age of each animal, and take the average?
    yeah all u need is their ages and the number of days in ur herd no


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Login to ICBF website and select from their MENU
    VIEW PROFILES
    2nd last option STOCK NUMBERS
    Select NITRATES REPORT
    Select year 2018 SUBMIT
    When the report appears
    On the right hand side top of report select EXCEL
    This will drop a copy of the nitrates 2018 report into Excel
    Select year 2019 SUBMIT
    When the report appears
    On the right hand side top of report select EXCEL
    This will drop a copy of the Nitrates 2019 report into Excel
    Open the 2018 Excel file and copy July to Dec cells into a new book
    Open the 2019 Excel file and copy Jan to Jun Cells to the right of Dec 2018 cells
    Average each age group from July 2018 to end June 2019
    Paste in the known kg nitrogen for each category of animal in Cell beyond Avg Cell
    Animal Type Dairy Cows = 85, Suckler Cows = 65, Total Cattle 0 - 12 mths = 24, Total Cattle 12 - 24 mth = 57, Total Cattle 24 mths = 65, for N kg/hd

    Multiply the average for each animal category by the relevant N kg/hd figure.
    Total each category up and you have your total nitrogen from July 2018 to Jun 2019.
    This is based on a monthly average, a daily basis would be more accurate as calculated by Dept


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    tanko wrote: »
    I sold four cows in the mart which were killed shortly after.
    Am I right in saying i get nothing and the lads that got them killed get €400?

    It all depends who bought your animals


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭red bull


    I'm a dairy farmer with montbeliarde x fleckieh xcows and it appears I can claim €40 on there beef breed calves, accordingly 33x40 =1320. Not sure if I will claim


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    wrangler wrote: »
    Impossible to monitor or police, livestock database will be surer

    I completed a carbon navigator in BDGP as did all participants and a stipulation of the payment is participation in a scheme , it was indicated that the dept has carbon information on all participants in these programmes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I completed a carbon navigator in BDGP as did all participants and a stipulation of the payment is participation in a scheme , it was indicated that the dept has carbon information on all participants in these programmes.

    If farmers tell the truth.:rolleyes:
    They don't need to do inspections in the present system, computer will flag any problems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    wrangler wrote: »
    If farmers tell the truth.:rolleyes:
    They don't need to do inspections in the present system, computer will flag any problems.

    Im addressing the main farmer issue with the scheme; the number reduction , there are other ways of reducing carbon . This is a concession to the anti farmer vegan PS climate lobby which sets a precedent unfavourable to farmers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    Any word on what the uptake on this scheme has been, well under subscribed I'd imagine


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  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    High bike wrote: »
    Any word on what the uptake on this scheme has been, well under subscribed I'd imagine

    Its under subscribed. The department of agriculture restricted the eligible dates so much in the hope to spend less than 20 million of the 50 million that the government had to put up. They'll spend the 50 million from Europe alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Its under subscribed. The department of agriculture restricted the eligible dates so much in the hope to spend less than 20 million of the 50 million that the government had to put up. They'll spend the 50 million from Europe alright.

    70m would be a great cash injection all the same,


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    Its under subscribed. The department of agriculture restricted the eligible dates so much in the hope to spend less than 20 million of the 50 million that the government had to put up. They'll spend the 50 million from Europe alright.
    so no increase in payments so eventhough payments were to be reduced if it was over subscribed??


  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    High bike wrote: »
    so no increase in payments so eventhough payments were to be reduced if it was over subscribed??

    Yeah, thats the look of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    High bike wrote: »
    so no increase in payments so eventhough payments were to be reduced if it was over subscribed??

    All schemes are that way now, maximum budget and tough if not enough applied.
    We'd always be advising to apply for schemes, if it's fully used it means it was needed and helps to get more money the next time


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Its under subscribed. The department of agriculture restricted the eligible dates so much in the hope to spend less than 20 million of the 50 million that the government had to put up. They'll spend the 50 million from Europe alright.

    Where did you see that it was under subscribed? Farmers are notorious for leaving things till the last minute so it’ll probably fill up closer to the cut off date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Where did you see that it was under subscribed? Farmers are notorious for leaving things till the last minute so it’ll probably fill up closer to the cut off date.
    if it does it’s because lads are so fed up with sucklers they’r either cutting way back or getting out and getting a few bob for it


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    wrangler wrote: »
    All schemes are that way now, maximum budget and tough if not enough applied.
    We'd always be advising to apply for schemes, if it's fully used it means it was needed and helps to get more money the next time
    surely if there’s 100 m budget it should be spent and split between all applicants


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    High bike wrote: »
    surely if there’s 100 m budget it should be spent and split between all applicants

    Doesn't do farmers any good either if we claim that farmers have lost 100m and then they only look for 50m.
    There might be time yet, when's the closing date


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭High bike


    wrangler wrote: »
    Doesn't do farmers any good either if we claim that farmers have lost 100m and then they only look for 50m.
    There might be time yet, when's the closing date
    8th or 9th Sept not sure which


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