My €100m BEAM scheme

wrangler

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

And that's a great thing.

Oh yea, wish I had done it,

whelan2

Applied there. When is the payment being made?

kollegeknight

whelan2 wrote: »

We are in the bdgp does that count?

According to the t&c yes.

Hurling Hereford

whelan2 wrote: »

Applied there. When is the payment being made?

December 2019

Hurling Hereford

wrangler wrote: »

Oh yea, wish I had done it,

Sure what stopped you?

pure breed

Apologies if this is a stupid question about BEAM.
But say you have to reduce by 240kg roughly 4-5 cows for the scheme.
Do you have to have reduced by start ie. On day one of the period 01/07/20 to 30/06/21??? Or can it be by the end of the term?? Thanks.

wrangler

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Sure what stopped you?

Life took over when I left school, parents were old,brother died at 21 after a year in hospital, father in a nursing home for five years had to help my mother to pay for it, I was thirty before I knew it and in debt

tanko

pure breed wrote: »

Apologies if this is a stupid question about BEAM.
But say you have to reduce by 240kg roughly 4-5 cows for the scheme.
Do you have to have reduced by start ie. On day one of the period 01/07/20 to 30/06/21??? Or can it be by the end of the term?? Thanks.

From the start if doing it that way i think.

Cavanjack

pure breed wrote: »

Apologies if this is a stupid question about BEAM.
But say you have to reduce by 240kg roughly 4-5 cows for the scheme.
Do you have to have reduced by start ie. On day one of the period 01/07/20 to 30/06/21??? Or can it be by the end of the term?? Thanks.

I think a suckler cow is worth 65kg/n per year so to be safe you need to reduce by 4 cows for 12 months of the year. If you wait until the last month you would have to reduce by 45cows in the last month.
So reduce by 4 cows from 1/7/20 or wait until 1/6/21 and reduce by 45

pure breed

Cavanjack wrote:

I think a suckler cow is worth 65kg/n per year so to be safe you need to reduce by 4 cows for 12 months of the year. If you wait until the last month you would have to reduce by 45cows in the last month. So reduce by 4 cows from 1/7/20 or wait until 1/6/21 and reduce by 45

Thanks Cavanjack makes sense, just wondering as we have spring/autumn calving so numbers be changing fairly regular.

Robson99

pure breed wrote: »

Apologies if this is a stupid question about BEAM.
But say you have to reduce by 240kg roughly 4-5 cows for the scheme.
Do you have to have reduced by start ie. On day one of the period 01/07/20 to 30/06/21??? Or can it be by the end of the term?? Thanks.

Average over 12 months so either 5 for 12 months or 10 for 6 months

Hurling Hereford

wrangler wrote: »

Life took over when I left school, parents were old,brother died at 21 after a year in hospital, father in a nursing home for five years had to help my mother to pay for it, I was thirty before I knew it and in debt

By God, life hasn't been 'a bed of roses' for you lad. Far from it

wrangler

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

By God, life hasn't been 'a bed of roses' for you lad. Far from it

You couldn't write my twenties when most are supposed to be acting the hoor not be broke all the f...ing time

Sugarbowl

pure breed wrote: »

Apologies if this is a stupid question about BEAM.
But say you have to reduce by 240kg roughly 4-5 cows for the scheme.
Do you have to have reduced by start ie. On day one of the period 01/07/20 to 30/06/21??? Or can it be by the end of the term?? Thanks.

But you don't necessarily have to cut down 4 cows in one go am I right? Like next Spring if you cull 2 cows that will be a start towards your reduction considering they are not replaced. I think I'm right in saying that. Your reference period is already decided so you could be selling weanling away from this winter if you wanted and it would be a help rather than a big dramatic decrease. That's my take on it anyway. Still haven't decided whether to sign up.

coolshannagh28

Sugarbowl wrote: »

But you don't necessarily have to cut down 4 cows in one go am I right? Like next Spring if you cull 2 cows that will be a start towards your reduction considering they are not replaced. I think I'm right in saying that. Your reference period is already decided so you could be selling weanling away from this winter if you wanted and it would be a help rather than a big dramatic decrease. That's my take on it anyway. Still haven't decided whether to sign up.

You have to reduce your average carbon output over the future reference period by the stipulated 5% by reducing your average stocking level , this can be achieved by reducing a smaller number of any type of cattle over all of that time frame or reducing a lot of cattle over a short time frame .

Sugarbowl

Oh I see...
So I sell 10 weanling in April 2020 we'll say. Will that be counted against my reduction come July 2020-2021?

coolshannagh28

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Oh I see...
So I sell 10 weanling in April 2020 we'll say. Will that be counted against my reduction come July 2020-2021?

The reduction must be within the reference period 1st july onward so you must monitor your reduction monthly either online or through your advisor .
Now the timing of the reference period is the catch and may be used as a future reference period as some farmers suspect as it would have been more logical to have the two reference periods following each other I assume.

Sugarbowl

But what I'm trying to get at is my reference value was 3000 kgs N and from July 2020 to 2021 I need to reduce it by 150 N to 2850kgs. So next Spring I sell a bunch of cattle which are not replaced. My stocking rate will stay the same for the required period and will be below 2850kgs. There should be no reason for me to sell anymore cattle during that time. Am I right in saying that?

tanko

Sugarbowl wrote: »

But what I'm trying to get at is my reference value was 3000 kgs N and from July 2020 to 2021 I need to reduce it by 150 N to 2850kgs. So next Spring I sell a bunch of cattle which are not replaced. My stocking rate will stay the same for the required period and will be below 2850kgs. There should be no reason for me to sell anymore cattle during that time. Am I right in saying that?

Depends on the age of the cattle.
I think as some cattle get older their N value increases so even though your batch of cattle might be under 2850kgs in July 2020 they could be over it by July 2021. But it's the average value over the 12 months that matters i think.

coolshannagh28

Sugarbowl wrote: »

But what I'm trying to get at is my reference value was 3000 kgs N and from July 2020 to 2021 I need to reduce it by 150 N to 2850kgs. So next Spring I sell a bunch of cattle which are not replaced. My stocking rate will stay the same for the required period and will be below 2850kgs. There should be no reason for me to sell anymore cattle during that time. Am I right in saying that?

Should be safe enough if not replaced and you stay under 2850 kgs but I would refer it to an advisor to be 100% sure .

Bellview

Slow take up for scheme deadline now extended by a week

whelan2

Bellview wrote: »

Slow take up for scheme deadline now extended by a week

I didn't know we were eligible until yesterday. I assumed we didnt qualify

foundation10

Bellview wrote: »

Slow take up for scheme deadline now extended by a week

I cannot understand such a low uptake on the scheme. It may be the reduction required is putting farmers off but I would have thought most finishers and suckler farmers would be looking to reduce numbers anyway given the outlook.

Bass Reeves

foundation10 wrote: »

I cannot understand such a low uptake on the scheme. It may be the reduction required is putting farmers off but I would have thought most finishers and suckler farmers would be looking to reduce numbers anyway given the outlook.

For a lot of farmers it's only 3-600 euro. I killed 55 last year 4 qualified for the scheme. That 400 euro. My nitrates in the qualifications period was skewed by last summer drought. As well I was reconfiguring my system which works against me. If I try to reduce I will have to kill 3-5 less cattle or slaughter cattle earlier which could reduce my farm profit by 300-1.5k. I have applied but I am treating it as an interest free loan

As well a lot of older farmers that buy to qualify for ANC and slaughter in the autumn are not on line and may not apply. It a pigs ar5e of a scheme. Expecting lads that are getting less than 1k to reduce stocking levels was stupid.

orm0nd

Closing date extended

coolshannagh28

orm0nd wrote: »

Closing date extended

Its typical of the confusing myriad of mickey mouse schemes out there , an insult to the farmer !

Welding Rod

It’s the most stupid scheme ever invented in my opinion.
Why you would volunteer to cut back future production for a few shekels now, is just counter intuitive for most people.
Better for the government spend what they have to, in order to tear into the cozy selfie serving relationships between the beef barons and the retailers. They set up the CAB and created targeted legislation to tear into organised crime after Veronica Guerin was shot. To be fair to the guards, they ripped into the thugs and the rest is history.

There is new and more targeted legislation and appropriately resourced supervisory / investigatory body needed to flake into the barons and the retailers.

Time to bring them to heel with a bang.

Dozer1

unless there is an app offered through ICBF where you can see you N levels on an easy basis then I'd be slow advising anyone to join, as already pointed out as cattle age there N level is increased.

either way its a quota in my opinion so they can shove it

whelan2

We got a text this morning saying we are in the scheme and to reply y or n to our tesgasc advisors name

Bass Reeves

Dozer1 wrote: »

unless there is an app offered through ICBF where you can see you N levels on an easy basis then I'd be slow advising anyone to join, as already pointed out as cattle age there N level is increased.

either way its a quota in my opinion so they can shove it

Apply farm away and look at it as an interest free loan