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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #2882
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The Nal wrote: »
    SoundsRight wrote: »
    The figure could be lower, could even be higher. But why do they exclusively target white girls?

    Why all the faux outrage? Why not target the church and institutions here that are still covering up their horrific crimes?

    Can we actually just ban “but de catholics....” whataboutery when doscussing muslims, its the go to response. Its possible to hate both you know.


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    #2883
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Can we actually just ban “but de catholics....” whataboutery when doscussing muslims, its the go to response. Its possible to hate both you know.

    Have already said I think both are silly. I think religion is silly.

    Not as silly as the Irish being model immigrants though.

    But the silliest thing of all is this faux outrage over Muslims in Ireland when the Muslim population is about 1%. Being sold on fear by the likes of Gemma and that little munchkin fella and actually believing it is embarrassing. Anyone on board with that really needs to get out more. Cringing reading some of the comments here.


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    #2884
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Can we actually just ban “but de catholics....” whataboutery when doscussing muslims, its the go to response. Its possible to hate both you know.

    Well it's valid when someone quotes a stat like that.

    It depends on your definition of a gang.

    Were the figures of institutional grooming from schools taken into account for that 84%? Or the Catholic church? Crimes genuinely covered up up by the police unlike the crimes tommy robinson claims were swept under the rug because..........muslims I guess.


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    #2885
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Well it's valid when someone quotes a stat like that.

    It depends on your definition of a gang.

    Were the figures of institutional grooming from schools taken into account for that 84%? Or the Catholic church? Crimes genuinely covered up up by the police unlike the crimes tommy robinson claims were swept under the rug because..........muslims I guess.

    Good Catholic old white on white paedophilia. Much better.

    This thread is about Gemma O'Doherty though and her followers, who are complete thickos.

    Look at this.

    Its actually historical sign from Boston. Says so on the pic. This is how stupid she thinks her supporters are.

    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1163733183843708928


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    #2886
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Inaccurate? How so? 84% of grooming gangs are 'Asian'. Virtually all their victims are white.

    That's not what was said though was it?You said Muslims in the UK don't integrate unless they're grooming local girls. That was your statement. If you ever get an urge to visit a boxing gym over there or a cricket club, you'll see plenty of integration. There are representatives at all levels of government and all across their civil service where members have heritage from Islamic nations. Children even play together across the cultures, God/Allah forbid.


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    #2887
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I know Muslims in the UK who drink and go to football matches. Call the ref a wanker and everything. Thats integration!


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    #2888
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's not what was said though was it?You said Muslims in the UK don't integrate unless they're grooming local girls. That was your statement. If you ever get an urge to visit a boxing gym over there or a cricket club, you'll see plenty of integration. There are representatives at all levels of government and all across their civil service where members have heritage from Islamic nations. Children even play together across the cultures, God/Allah forbid.

    I don’t think you’ll catch him in a boxing club :pac:


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    #2889
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,418 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Inaccurate? How so? 84% of grooming gangs are 'Asian'. Virtually all their victims are white.

    Did you include the Catholic Church in these calculations?


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    #2890
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Overheal wrote: »
    Like I mean hey, you’re demonstrably a racist Stephen15, you’ve made that clear:

    Could you please direct me to evidence of this? It is quite the claim...


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    #2891
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Could you please direct me to evidence of this? It is quite the claim...

    It’s in the thread.


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    #2892
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s in the thread.

    Well if its the tongue-in-cheek comment you are referring to, then I believe your calling Stephen a racist is equally as disgusting and vile as anything a racist can do.


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    #2893
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Well if its the tongue-in-cheek comment you are referring to, then I believe your calling Stephen a racist is equally as disgusting and vile as anything a racist can do.
    not really though


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    #2894
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I asked him if he was or not and he answered thusly
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111043532&postcount=2811


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    #2895
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I asked him if he was or not and he answered thusly
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111043532&postcount=2811

    Exactly. The moderation on this thread is a ****ing joke on the issue of Stephen's 'racism'. Not only that, but it is being perpetuated by mods.

    The comment from Stephen is clearly tongue in cheek, but I guess context doesn't ****ing matter anymore.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    If racist means loving your family and by extension to that your country and wanting to defend both as well the western way of life then I'm a racist and proud. In order to do that I believe your borders should be shut as the saying goes you don't lock your door because you hate the people outside you do because you love the people inside.

    Same concept here close the borders to defend our country it's culture, heritage and values.


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    #2896
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Well if its the tongue-in-cheek comment you are referring to, then I believe your calling Stephen a racist is equally as disgusting and vile as anything a racist can do.

    Then you must be poorly read up on what racists have done. But no I’m not specifically sure what “tongue in cheek” comment you’re talking about. Clearly though you asked me a loaded question given your familiarity with the thread.


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    #2897
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Exactly. The moderation on this thread is a ****ing joke on the issue of Stephen's 'racism'. Not only that, but it is being perpetuated by mods.

    The comment from Stephen is clearly tongue in cheek, but I guess context doesn't ****ing matter anymore.




    ...doesn't look at all tongue in cheek to me at all.



    I asked him specifically about "black" people though. That quote looks like the kind of thing that comes from islamophobes. Perhaps he'd be best to spell out his views clearly rather than have others try to guess what they are.


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    #2898
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Exactly. The moderation on this thread is a ****ing joke on the issue of Stephen's 'racism'. Not only that, but it is being perpetuated by mods.

    The comment from Stephen is clearly tongue in cheek, but I guess context doesn't ****ing matter anymore.
    Again you know him? You had a discussion with him about this? Why didn't he explain this to us?


    Other statements like these below dont help his cause:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110944209&postcount=1585
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111023853&postcount=2377


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    #2899
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I asked him specifically about "black" people though. That quote looks like the kind of thing that comes from islamophobes. Perhaps he'd be best to spell out his views clearly rather than have others try to guess what they are.

    If you call me a fascist because I'm praising Donald Trump, I could say "well if fascism means supporting the US president, then call me a fascist"

    It doesn't mean I admit to being a fascist, but rather means I am critiquing your definition of fascism.

    Exactly the same as Stephen's statement, he was criticizing the word racism. Some people are only willfully ignorant when it suits.

    Is it fair to call someone a racist when their views aren't "clear"?


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    #2900
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Kimsang wrote: »

    Is it fair to call someone a racist when their views aren't "clear"?
    On the net I can only judge people by what they say. DOnt say it if it could be misinterpreted. Is that not rule 1 of using the internet???


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    #2901
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Kimsang wrote: »
    If you call me a fascist because I'm praising Donald Trump, I could say "well if fascism means supporting the US president, then call me a fascist"

    It doesn't mean I admit to being a fascist, but rather means I am critiquing your definition of fascism.

    Exactly the same as Stephen's statement, he was criticizing the word racism. Some people are only willfully ignorant when it suits.

    Is it fair to call someone a racist when their views aren't "clear"?


    I asked him straight out. He gave an answer that would seem to indicate he has nothing against dark skinned people. Other statements by him though, are still problematic, meaning he may have it in for muslims, as that sort of rhetoric is associated with islamophobia.


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    #2902
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Kimsang wrote: »
    If you call me a fascist because I'm praising Donald Trump, I could say "well if fascism means supporting the US president, then call me a fascist"

    It doesn't mean I admit to being a fascist, but rather means I am critiquing your definition of fascism.

    Exactly the same as Stephen's statement, he was criticizing the word racism. Some people are only willfully ignorant when it suits.

    Is it fair to call someone a racist when their views aren't "clear"?

    Groups of posters have set the bar for 'racist' so low on boards.ie that its a meaningless word, I just read it as "anyone right of Stalin"


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    #2903
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Exactly. The moderation on this thread is a ****ing joke on the issue of Stephen's 'racism'. Not only that, but it is being perpetuated by mods.

    The comment from Stephen is clearly tongue in cheek, but I guess context doesn't ****ing matter anymore.

    Uhm the context is all there. Maybe you missed the floundering conversation where he worked very hard to keep Brown countries out of his definition of the first world, while including numerous third world countries in his “first world” examples. Why derail the thread: if you’ve read the thread you’d know that yes he admits to being a proud racist and has argued for treating anyone not of Irish diaspora as second rate, especially as it pertains to seeking citizenship. You don’t have to look hard when the lad thinks South Africa is “culturally backwards” and SA immigrants too dissimilar to integrate into Irish culture, but somehow Koreans, who don’t even use the same alphabet, eat dogs, etc. are more favorable immigrants from a cultural compatibility perspective. But why am I rehashing this all for you? It’s all in this thread.

    I haven’t seen any CA/IMHO mods get involved in this conversation so I don’t see how they are perpetuating anything.


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    #2904
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Groups of posters have set the bar for 'racist' so low on boards.ie that its a meaningless word, I just read it as "anyone right of Stalin"

    Is it really that low of a bar, or are you just exasperated because you don’t fit under it?


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    #2905
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Overheal wrote: »
    Then you must be poorly read up on what racists have done. But no I’m not specifically sure what “tongue in cheek” comment you’re talking about. Clearly though you asked me a loaded question given your familiarity with the thread.

    Being half Asian I know all about racism in Ireland. Growing up in poor estate, I think I can honestly say I'm fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

    What experience and expertise do you have exactly with racism?


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    #2906
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Is it really that low of a bar, or are you just exasperated because you don’t fit under it?

    Its pretty low, theres always somebody about to play the offended card for anything.

    you have to remember this is the forum where a regular objector to my posts suggested that white kids had blacked up to attack people outside a nightclub rather than accept the video of black kids doing it.


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    #2907
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Being half Asian I know all about racism in Ireland. Growing up in poor estate, I think I can honestly say I'm fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

    What experience and expertise do you have exactly with racism?
    This isn't a tribunal or a law court. Everyone's experiences are different. It's called life.


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    #2908
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Its pretty low, theres always somebody about to play the offended card for anything.

    you have to remember this is the forum where a regular objector to my posts suggested that white kids had blacked up to attack people outside a nightclub rather than accept the video of black kids doing it.

    Blackface is only o.k. when committing terrorism, not at halloween partys though!


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    #2909
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kimsang wrote: »
    Being half Asian I know all about racism in Ireland. Growing up in poor estate, I think I can honestly say I'm fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

    What experience and expertise do you have exactly with racism?

    Expertise? What is expertise in racism?


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    #2910
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,721 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Its pretty low, theres always somebody about to play the offended card for anything.

    you have to remember this is the forum where a regular objector to my posts suggested that white kids had blacked up to attack people outside a nightclub rather than accept the video of black kids doing it.
    Can’t rule out the possibilities until the perpetrator is convicted. Similarly we can’t say for sure that white supremacists don’t don’t blackface and shoot up black neighborhoods in the US when most perps are never ID’d. When you rule out the impossible, everything else, no matter how improbable, is still possible.


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    #2911
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Overheal wrote: »
    Expertise? What is expertise in racism?

    To differentiate between a racist and someone that wants stronger immigration controls would be a good start.


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