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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #2342
    Overheal
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    that the 'counter protestors' were there to record that 45 minutes and took way more photos of the 'nazi' than anyone else , says it all.

    Says what exactly?


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    #2343
    Annasopra
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm not going to rewrite comments and replies for your benefit Joey. Let's be realistic here.

    Yeah thanks. I have read all of the thread. Your actual point is not clear.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2344
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Says what exactly?

    they had the entire thing set up, they told the guy to go there early, show up early themselves to photograph him, then hold on to the material so when people call it a setup that they go 'well here he is earlier' . Theres more photos of that guy before the event than any other participant, bit weird if they didn't even know he was going to do 'the salute'


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    #2345
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Is anyone aware if the person doing the salute was there any other day then the one he was photographed on? Would help wrap this debate up.


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    #2346
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yeah thanks. I have read all of the thread. Your actual point is not clear.

    2,343 posts. Ok yeah you did.

    For your benefit Joey.

    * O Doherty is mad
    * Burning Hijabs isn't good
    * Gemma has lots of supporters
    *Hiding their faces is a good idea for them


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    #2347
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Is anyone aware if the person doing the salute was there any other day then the one he was photographed on? Would help wrap this debate up.

    The high horse doxxing squad hasn’t been able to name him , even people involved int the ‘right’ side of the protest have been asking who he was on twitter, ive never seen any evidence of the guy before , they have more clear photos of him than anyone else, theres the video with the photographer sognalling him .

    This unknown guy surrounded by ‘friends’ whos never been seen before just decides that going front and centre doing a salute that nobody else had done prior is a class idea , let everyone photograph it and that side who milkshake people for the craic don’t do anything to him or follow him either. Doesnt line up.


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    #2348
    cookie1977
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The high horse doxxing squad hasn’t been able to name him , even people involved int the ‘right’ side of the protest have been asking who he was on twitter, ive never seen any evidence of the guy before , they have more clear photos of him than anyone else, theres the video with the photographer sognalling him .

    This unknown guy surrounded by ‘friends’ whos never been seen before just decides that going front and centre doing a salute that nobody else had done prior is a class idea , let everyone photograph it and that side who milkshake people for the craic don’t do anything to him or follow him either. Doesnt line up.


    Leaving aside whether he is or isn't part of her group it does not take away an ounce of the vitriol she has dolled out over the past few years. How about explaining away that?


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    #2349
    Annasopra
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The high horse doxxing squad hasn’t been able to name him , even people involved int the ‘right’ side of the protest have been asking who he was on twitter, ive never seen any evidence of the guy before , they have more clear photos of him than anyone else, theres the video with the photographer sognalling him .

    This unknown guy surrounded by ‘friends’ whos never been seen before just decides that going front and centre doing a salute that nobody else had done prior is a class idea , let everyone photograph it and that side who milkshake people for the craic don’t do anything to him or follow him either. Doesnt line up.

    It's fascinating how you try to paint Speakers Unicorner as all violent antifa style doxxers. Thats complete propaganda. They (speakers unicorner) are even actively asking people not to doxx Gemmas home or protest outside it.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2350
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Leaving aside whether he is or isn't part of her group it does not take away an ounce of the vitriol she has dolled out over the past few years. How about explaining away that?

    because we started with one mentally ill woman who's mad for conspiracy theories, some racist, some just obscure. then we added in some fans of hers. Then it snowballed to unconfirmed sightings of 'super racist' justin barrett and a plant throwing around salutes.

    This entire event has been one nutter woman and her agenda, rolled up into 'the rise of nazi'ism in Ireland' which is blown completely out of proportion.


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    #2351
    Annasopra
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    because we started with one mentally ill woman who's mad for conspiracy theories, some racist, some just obscure. then we added in some fans of hers. Then it snowballed to unconfirmed sightings of 'super racist' justin barrett and a plant throwing around salutes.

    This entire event has been one nutter woman and her agenda, rolled up into 'the rise of nazi'ism in Ireland' which is blown completely out of proportion.

    You seem to have missed the parts where she did numerous youtube videos with Justin Barrett and James Reynolds. And also the very much confirmed videos of Justin Barrett at Barrow Street.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2352
    batgoat
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You seem to have missed the parts where she did numerous youtube videos with Justin Barrett and James Reynolds. And also the very much confirmed videos of Justin Barrett at Barrow Street.

    Yes I'm confused on that claim about Barrett, he's been in her YouTube channel in past as well. They're good buddies by looks of things. Cartman seems to be going the conspiracy route for the sake of pretending some non bat**** far right exists in Ireland.


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    #2353
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You seem to have missed the parts where she did numerous youtube videos with Justin Barrett and James Reynolds. And also the very much confirmed videos of Justin Barrett at Barrow Street.

    where are the videos of barrett at barrow st ? not being obtuse, I just havent seen any evidence he was actually there.


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    #2354
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Justin’s has been around quite a while now though I mean his presence is hardly that alarming is it?


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    #2355
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    where are the videos of barrett at barrow st ? not being obtuse, I just havent seen any evidence he was actually there.

    He was there a few of the days I think.


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    #2356
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    Regardless of what side the chap was on, I find it unbelievable that he hasn't been identified yet.


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    #2357
    batgoat
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    where are the videos of barrett at barrow st ? not being obtuse, I just havent seen any evidence he was actually there.

    Here you go

    https://twitter.com/tvcritics/status/1161019483886096384?s=19


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    #2358
    Annasopra
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    batgoat wrote: »
    Yes I'm confused on that claim about Barrett, he's been in her YouTube channel in past as well. They're good buddies by looks of things. Cartman seems to be going the conspiracy route for the sake of pretending some non bat**** far right exists in Ireland.

    I know. I dont why Eric Caryman is now attempting to airbrush Justin Barrett out of the picture. Justin Barrett and Gemma O'Doherty have built a clear public alliance.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2359
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    batgoat wrote: »
    Here you go

    Thats that one settled so cheers. People just like randomly claiming he's at events but I cant argue this one.


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    #2360
    batgoat
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Thats that one settled so cheers. People just like randomly claiming he's at events but I cant argue this one.

    Not only that, it also supports that the crowd were cheering on some pretty vile remarks...


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    #2361
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    I honestly don’t get the point of the alliance considering they both have their own parties, seems a bit odd.


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    #2362
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,053 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://youtu.be/4FbOls0rMLs

    https://twitter.com/NationalPartyIE/status/1152307255783673865?s=19

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2363
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Gemma must be one of the few people that Barrett feels tall standing next to... :P


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    #2364
    Annasopra
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    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    I honestly don’t get the point of the alliance considering they both have their own parties, seems a bit odd.
    Ah its really trying to bring all the far right together. Grand Torino suggested sometime back bringing ACI, NP, Irexit, DDI (snd Renua I think) all together.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2365
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Ah its really trying to bring all the far right together. Grand Torino suggested sometime back bringing ACI, NP, Irexit, DDI (snd Renua I think) all together.

    Makes sense in a way but irexit and the national party have completely different views vis a vie Eu membership so that’d be kind of a non runner I’d image.


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    #2366
    Annasopra
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    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Makes sense in a way but irexit and the national party have completely different views vis a vie Eu membership so that’d be kind of a non runner I’d image.

    I wouldnt have thought they did have different views to be honest.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2367
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I wouldnt have thought they did have different views to be honest.

    National party are pro Eu membership


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    #2368
    gmisk
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    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    National party are pro Eu membership
    True but they are eurosceptic, they also want to leave the Eurozone.
    I'd have thought clumping ACI, national party and renua into one is the only way they might actually get any seats tbh


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    #2369
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    gmisk wrote: »
    True but they are eurosceptic, they also want to leave the Eurozone.
    I'd have thought clumping ACI, national party and renua into one is the only way they might actually get any seats tbh

    I dont even think renua is a right fit, theyre economic conservatives who happen to be pro life, not quite the same as these lot.


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    #2370
    gmisk
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I dont even think renua is a right fit, theyre economic conservatives who happen to be pro life, not quite the same as these lot.
    Possibly not on some issues true, but they are polling below 1 percent I think themselves.


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    #2371
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    gmisk wrote: »
    True but they are eurosceptic, they also want to leave the Eurozone.
    I'd have thought clumping ACI, national party and renua into one is the only way they might actually get any seats tbh

    I don’t think it hurts them that much, with the way the voting system works if someone was inclined to vote for one chances are the other two are probably their 2 and 3 preference anyhow so theoretically they get to run three candidates and allow the strongest of those to try and get elected without all of them tripping each other up. Although when talking about voting with some friends I notice a lot of people don’t fill out even half as much of the ballot as they ought too.


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