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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #1622
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-boris-johnson-is-the-fool-who-would-play-the-king-1.3928461?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-boris-johnson-is-the-fool-who-would-play-the-king-1.3928461

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-gove-s-cocaine-use-may-explain-his-attack-on-the-peace-process-1.3921000?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-gove-s-cocaine-use-may-explain-his-attack-on-the-peace-process-1.3921000

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-gambler-johnson-cant-be-trusted-as-he-plays-poker-with-eu-over-brexit-the-border-and-the-backstop-38341126.html

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-between-zealot-brexiteers-lameduck-may-and-dup-fanatics-hopes-of-sensible-outcome-look-entirely-lost-37955163.html

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-the-tory-party-is-now-a-cult-full-of-brexit-zealots-so-what-better-leader-for-it-than-hustler-boris-38232668.html

    You don't know the difference between an opinion piece and a new article. Quelle suprise.


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    #1623
    Kidchameleon
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    What did the 52 vote for?

    To leave the EU

    https://images.app.goo.gl/FRtcyNLSi1cm7uwW9


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    #1624
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    Those papers should be banned here and replaced with the sun , the Express and the telegraph for a fair and balanced print media

    that's the thing, people decide what is fair and balanced base don their own views.

    On Boards, the Guardian is held up as some sort of beacon of truth and light, when in reality, it is no less biased than the Telegraph, but because people like what it says, they take it as the truth.

    People aren't fair and balanced, so therefore the press isn't, because it wants to sell papers (or get likes and shares these days). The Sun knows that shoclking headlines work, the Irish papers know that some headline that slags off the British is almost guaranteed to be quoted on social media and shared, driving up traffic.


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    #1625
    Kidchameleon
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Since it's manifestly (apparently) the will of the people why not go again and get more than a 4% margin?
    Wouldn't that shut up the so-called 'Remoaners' once and for all?

    They can moan all they want, democracy has spoken, there is nothing that will change it.


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    #1626
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    that's the thing, people decide what is fair and balanced base don their own views.

    On Boards, the Guardian is held up as some sort of beacon of truth and light, when in reality, it is no less biased than the Telegraph, but because people like what it says, they take it as the truth.

    People aren't fair and balanced, so therefore the press isn't, because it wants to sell papers (or get likes and shares these days). The Sun knows that shoclking headlines work, the Irish papers know that some headline that slags off the British is almost guaranteed to be quoted on social media and shared, driving up traffic.

    And posters only seem to see The Guardian posted, when in fact we get material from all over Europe posted.

    But that doesn't suit the 'poor me' narrative.


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    #1627
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,100 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Aegir wrote: »
    the two aren't mutually exclusive you know.

    How do you think it will work and to who's advantage will it work overall?


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    #1628
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They can moan all they want, democracy has spoken, there is nothing that will change it.

    Over 3 years, they still haven't managed to leave. Not a very democratic place the UK?


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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And posters only seem to see The Guardian posted, when in fact we get material from all over Europe posted.

    But that doesn't suit the 'poor me' narrative.

    You fantastically missed the point Francis.


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    #1630
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    You fantastically missed the point Francis.

    I never miss your 'poor me and the UK' points Aegir.


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    #1631
    El_Duderino 09
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Over 3 years, they still haven't managed to leave. Not a very democratic place the UK?

    Be fair, that's 3 years where they are in the process of leaving and still get all the benefits of being part of the EU. Pretty sweet deal.

    If I were Johnson I'd string it out as long as feasibly possible to take advantage of EU membership and keep the economy going before I call an election. Chances are the economy will dip for a good while after leaving the EU so hold an election while he's been PM for 6 months and before the economy dips. Sensible politics if you ask me.


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    #1632
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    How do you think it will work and to who's advantage will it work overall?

    The obvious solution (other than staying in the Eu) is to have a trade deal with both.

    The free trade fans would argue that the uk can negotiate a deal that is tailored to the uk market, not dependent on the agreement of a group of farmers in Belgium. I can see their pint, but I’m not sure if it is that much of an advantage to be honest.


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    #1633
    InTheShadows
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Over 3 years, they still haven't managed to leave. Not a very democratic place the UK?

    That's why following through on the people's vote is of utmost importance.


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    #1634
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They can moan all they want, democracy has spoken, there is nothing that will change it.

    So you don't have any actual argument why there shouldn't be another referendum then.

    Just more pointless and meaningless 'catchphrases'


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    #1635
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Aegir wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    Those papers should be banned here and replaced with the sun , the Express and the telegraph for a fair and balanced print media

    that's the thing, people decide what is fair and balanced base don their own views.

    On Boards, the Guardian is held up as some sort of beacon of truth and light, when in reality, it is no less biased than the Telegraph, but because people like what it says, they take it as the truth.

    People aren't fair and balanced, so therefore the press isn't, because it wants to sell papers (or get likes and shares these days). The Sun knows that shoclking headlines work, the Irish papers know that some headline that slags off the British is almost guaranteed to be quoted on social media and shared, driving up traffic.
    Promise me that the t's will leave on Oct 31st with no deal


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    #1636
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    What did the 52 vote for?

    To leave the EU

    https://images.app.goo.gl/FRtcyNLSi1cm7uwW9
    Why are they still here?


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    #1637
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Be fair, that's 3 years where they are in the process of leaving and still get all the benefits of being part of the EU. Pretty sweet deal.

    If I were Johnson I'd string it out as long as feasibly possible to take advantage of EU membership and keep the economy going before I call an election. Chances are the economy will dip for a good while after leaving the EU so hold an election while he's been PM for 6 months and before the economy dips. Sensible politics if you ask me.

    If Johnson had been at the tiller, maybe.

    But the UK has self imploded, full stop.


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    #1638
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Since it's manifestly (apparently) the will of the people why not go again and get more than a 4% margin?
    Wouldn't that shut up the so-called 'Remoaners' once and for all?

    They can moan all they want, democracy has spoken, there is nothing that will change it.
    But 3 years on they still haven't left is there a problem finding the door


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    #1639
    FrancieBrady
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    InTheShadows wrote: »
    That's why following through on the people's vote is of utmost importance.

    It was followed through. Art 50 was invoked, a deal was done. And they are fighting among themselves and will probably never leave.


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    #1640
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    Promise me that the t's will leave on Oct 31st with no deal

    The T’s?


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    #1641
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    To leave the EU

    https://images.app.goo.gl/FRtcyNLSi1cm7uwW9

    Under what terms did the 52% vote to leave the EU?


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    #1642
    swampgas
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They can moan all they want, democracy has spoken, there is nothing that will change it.

    Surely the one thing that should be able to change a democratic decision, is more democracy? Maybe another vote, this time more informed, by the same electorate?

    Perhaps you just want Brexit to happen regardless of democracy? I assume you believe that a second referendum would probably result in a remain result. So you demand that democracy be frozen in time, to preserve the result you prefer.

    Not democratic at all, but understandable, as it's probably the only way the minority who now want Brexit will ever get their undemocratic wish.


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    #1643
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    It's the first letter of a word used to describe the brits


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    #1644
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Aegir wrote: »
    The T’s?

    Probably means "Tans" - not funny and not nice, and I really don't like that term in this forum, but there you go.


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    #1645
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    declanflynn wrote: »
    It's the first letter of a word used to describe the brits

    Cop yourself on Declan. No need for that nonsense.


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    #1646
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    It's the first letter of a word used to describe the brits

    Cop yourself on Declan. No need for that nonsense.
    De paffell can ask why Leo varadkar isn't called murphy like the rest of them but I have to be polite when referring to his people?


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    #1647
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭swampgas


    declanflynn wrote: »
    De paffell can ask why Leo varadkar isn't called murphy like the rest of them but I have to be polite when referring to his people?

    Yes. Johnson isn't the same as "his people". They are people, just like you and me at the end of the day.


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    #1648
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    declanflynn wrote: »
    De paffell can ask why Leo varadkar isn't called murphy like the rest of them but I have to be polite when referring to his people?

    It isn't accurate, is the problem. It's just a cheap jibe.


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    #1649
    Kidchameleon
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    So you don't have any actual argument why there shouldn't be another referendum then.

    Just more pointless and meaningless 'catchphrases'

    There is no argument as to why there should be another referendum, why would I have one?


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    #1650
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    There is no argument as to why there should be another referendum, why would I have one?

    What were the terms of the Brexit that the 52% voted for?


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    #1651
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    There is no argument as to why there should be another referendum, why would I have one?

    Parliament is paralysed...what more reason is there for a people's vote. Maybe you think it should be the monarch who decides...democracy and all that.


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