Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Kidchameleon

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Look, the people of Northern Ireland got their say. It is called democracy.

Seth Brundle

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Look, the people of Northern Ireland got their say. It is called democracy.

Are you referring to the vote for the GFA or for to leave the EU?

declanflynn

Kidchameleon wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

Go on have a guess mate

A guess? 60%

A bit lower

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

maybe you should, then you’ll stop misquoting it.

Except that each of those quotes is verbatim from the GFA. A simple 'ctrl' and 'f' in that GFA link will help you find them all in about 20 seconds.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Perhaps everyone thought it would be simple, that was not necessarily a lie. It doesnt matter who does or does not want a no deal now, they are leaving with or without one

They were lied to. Johnson lied about the NHS. Fox lied about getting a deal. Farage lied about immigration. The only people who knew what they were voting for were people who voted Remain. Every single Leave voter voted for their own version of Brexit. How many people voted for No Deal in 2016? How many want No Deal today?

Kidchameleon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How many people voted for No Deal in 2016? How many want No Deal today?

Ive answered that question several times now, your soapboxing at this stage. As for your other point, its called electioneering

Kidchameleon

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Are you referring to the vote for the GFA or for to leave the EU?

Leave the EU

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Look, the people of Northern Ireland got their say. It is called democracy.

Yes, a majority of the population of Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU and you're refusing to recognise it, while simultaneously demanding that the English decision to leave the EU should be recognised. And not only that, that the English should also have the right to force their choice upon NI against the wishes of the majority there.

Your conception of democracy is, to be charitable, not exactly consistent, is it?

Bannasidhe

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Look, the people of Northern Ireland got their say. It is called democracy.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Leave the EU

55.8% voted to remain.

Their wishes are being ignored.

How is that democracy?

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ive answered that question several times now, your soapboxing at this stage. As for your other point, its called electioneering

So you don't know. Just like the Leave voters. They hadn't a clue either.

Seth Brundle

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Leave the EU

NI voted for the GFA which is an important internationally recognised peace agreement.
The UK agreed in this to protect it.
Should the will of the people not be respected?

WomanSkirtFan8

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't believe this for a second.

Nor do I.

moonage

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How many people voted for No Deal in 2016? How many want No Deal today?

52% voted for it in 2016 (with a WTO exit being the default position).

That figure is probably higher now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQaC1E8-kvA

declanflynn

The narrator on that piece sounds like a right d head, we have to get rid of dis shower as soon as possible

declanflynn

After what happend in Cyprus in the 1950's I'm suprised at the brits welcoming the Turkish army onto the mainland I guess it's a sign of how far the this great country has fallen, I hope it's not part of a cunning plan by the turks

declanflynn

De paffell is giving them a £300m sweetner, at least hes not forgetting his roots, the writers of dad's army couldn't have made dis up, I hope they go with no deal on oct 31st, but I'm going to miss the entertainment or will it only get better then

declanflynn

They were always against Turkey joining the EU and now this its brilliant, hopefully a few Turkish ex army officers are given managerial posts in turkisk/British steel

Kidchameleon

This is the ballot paper that the people of Norther Ireland used when voting in the EU referendum. NI is part of the UK, they voted on weather the UK should stay or leave the EU. Just because the people of NI as a group would prefer to stay is irrelevant. It was a UK wide referendum and the UK as a democratic group chose to leave, therefore NI is going with them weather they like it or not. That is how democracy works. The people of NI had their say.

declanflynn

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This is the ballot paper that the people of Norther Ireland used when voting in the EU referendum. NI is part of the UK, they voted on weather the UK should stay or leave the EU. Just because the people of NI as a group would prefer to stay is irrelevant. It was a UK wide referendum and the UK as a democratic group chose to leave, therefore NI is going with them weather they like it or not. That is how democracy works. The people of NI had their say.

I get it now, more brits put an X in the second box than the first box in 2016 and then the left the EU...??? no I'm still confused.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This is the ballot paper that the people of Norther Ireland used when voting in the EU referendum. NI is part of the UK, they voted on weather the UK should stay or leave the EU. Just because the people of NI as a group would prefer to stay is irrelevant. It was a UK wide referendum and the UK as a democratic group chose to leave, therefore NI is going with them weather they like it or not. That is how democracy works. The people of NI had their say.

That's about as stupid a question as one could think of. Would you like to Remain or would you like a unicorn. When asked a relatively less stupid question in a opinion poll last week, 43% preferred Remain and 29% preferred a deal. Only 19% wanted to crash out. But carry on defending the ridiculous and the nonexistent.

El_Duderino 09

sabat wrote: »

I think the EU 27 should rescind the final month of the extension and boot them out at the end of September. It was only granted to allow them time to pass the deal, which they have reneged on. In fact I'd give give them until 13/9 at the G7 meeting then cackle with laughter at BJ as he begs to stay.

Disagree. This is all posturing in the lead up to the actual negotiations tha t will take place in the final few days before the deadline. Don't confuse this soap opera for the actual negotiations that will most likely only happen in the very last few days.

Kidchameleon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's about as stupid a question as one could think of. Would you like to Remain or would you like a unicorn. When asked a relatively less stupid question in a opinion poll last week, 43% preferred Remain and 29% preferred a deal. Only 19% wanted to crash out. But carry on defending the ridiculous and the nonexistent.

Opinion polls are almost always wrong. What did every opinion poll say the day before the EU referendum? Why did the Brexit party do so well in recent elections if most people want to stay in the EU?

First Up

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Disagree. This is all posturing in the lead up to the actual negotiations tha t will take place in the final few days before the deadline. Don't confuse this soap opera for the actual negotiations that will most likely only happen in the very last few days.

Negotiations by who about what?

Calina

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Opinion polls are almost always wrong. What did every opinion poll say the day before the EU referendum? Why did the Brexit party do so well in recent elections if most people want to stay in the EU?

Actually most opinion polls said the result was Brexit or the results were marginal as to be with the margin of error. Given the result, this was not actually wrong.

I have no idea why the Brexit party did so well although the list system probably benefitted them. Also, the UK voted a boat to be named Boaty McBoatface so they have a record on not take no things too seriously. Possibly because FPTP is almost akin to modern rotten boroughs at this stage.

Kittykat67

I know these things take time, but if you want in or out everyone is just fed up now.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Opinion polls are almost always wrong. What did every opinion poll say the day before the EU referendum? Why did the Brexit party do so well in recent elections if most people want to stay in the EU?

The Brexit party got 32% (less than a third of the vote) because they stole Tory votes. Just like the Greens and Lib Dems stole Labour votes. The Brexit Party will disappear when a GE happens.

19% want no deal above all other options. Even if those polls were 20% out, they demonstrate that a small minority want no deal. Less than half of the 52% who voted for leave, lies, unicorns.

InTheShadows

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's about as stupid a question as one could think of. Would you like to Remain or would you like a unicorn. When asked a relatively less stupid question in a opinion poll last week, 43% preferred Remain and 29% preferred a deal. Only 19% wanted to crash out. But carry on defending the ridiculous and the nonexistent.

It's not at all. It was a straightforward question to which the UK as a whole voted leave. It's really that simple and it's laughable how people are in denial about it still.

InTheShadows

Kittykat67 wrote: »

I know these things take time, but if you want in or out everyone is just fed up now.

May the remainer is gone. The UK is leaving the EU. Operation twart democracy has failed.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The people of NI had their say.

And a majority of those people voted to maintain their status as part of the European Union. Their wishes are now being overthrown and they are being forced to leave the European Union against their wishes. There's your "Brexit democracy" in action, despite the UK's commitment in international law to respect the wishes of 'the majority in Northern Ireland'.

Good to see this morning that the powers that be over in the United States realise the magnitude of Britain's breaching of the GFA that Brexit entails:

Pelosi can derail any post-Brexit UK-US trade deal plans: White House trade pledge empty without backing from pro-Irish House Speaker

Professor Moriarty

InTheShadows wrote: »

It's not at all. It was a straightforward question to which the UK as a whole voted leave. It's really that simple and it's laughable how people are in denial about it still.

It's laughable but predictable that simple people still defend the simplistic.