Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

pjohnson · 12-08-2019 10:13PM

skipper_G wrote: »

His seat could yet go to Latifi next season, he only needs a top 5 finish in F2 to get the superlicence points he needs, currently 2nd. And has more money than Kubica. I don't think Ocon is going anywhere near a Williams, Mercedes or Renault more like.

Latifi is rumoured to be in line for Racing Point beside Stroll to form an all Canadian team if Haas moves for Perez. Wehrlein still linked to the Haas seat to replace Grosjean this year.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 12-08-2019 10:31PM

kksaints wrote: »

Some old school RTE F1 coverage from 2000.

That's fantastic, good memories! Thanks for posting!

flazio · 12-08-2019 10:37PM

Agreed. It might not have been great coverage. But it was our not great coverage.

Cork Trucker · 12-08-2019 10:52PM

David Croft is definitely the modern day Peter Collins

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-08-2019 12:35AM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Maybe the reason behind putting Albon in the car rather than Daniil has to do with driving style indeed.

Excellent spot. If gasly performs well in the TR then there is a string chance this is why we've seen him struggle.

quokula · 13-08-2019 12:30PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think Williams have said his money is dependent on his seat so Williams would have to replace his money to replace him. But they might get some money and dump him. Maybe ocon with some Mercedes money?

I think it will be a long time before we hear the following argument again; "ah but hiring x driver would bring so much good will from fans, and airtime that sponsors will be queueing up"

Russell has no f1 profile and he gets loads of airtime because he's fast. Fast drivers get publicity.

Russell gets loads of airtime (on Sky) because he's English. He's generally the second slowest on the grid - obviously that's because of the car, but there's no evidence yet that he's anything more than average.

Adamocovic · 13-08-2019 01:17PM

quokula wrote: »

Russell gets loads of airtime (on Sky) because he's English. He's generally the second slowest on the grid - obviously that's because of the car, but there's no evidence yet that he's anything more than average.

I rate Russell quite highly and was a bit annoyed he got stuck with Williams.

A former F2 and F3 champ and very quick driver, just stuck in a slow car. Beating Albon and Norris in F2 last year then ending up in the worse car has to hurt.

In terms of ability until we see him in a quick car I get it can be hard to judge him but I think he's definitely above average.

Funny thing is that he's outqualified Kubica every race (some races over a 1 second faster!) and has finished ahead of him 10 out of 12 races. So if Russell at 21 is nothing more than average what does that say about Kubica!

Anyway, fully expect Russell to have a good career in F1. May be tougher now with Lando's rise and claim for the British public/fans when Hamilton does move aside.

skipper_G · 13-08-2019 01:37PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I rate Russell quite highly and was a bit annoyed he got stuck with Williams.

A former F2 and F3 champ and very quick driver, just stuck in a slow car. Beating Albon and Norris in F2 last year then ending up in the worse car has to hurt.

In terms of ability until we see him in a quick car I get it can be hard to judge him but I think he's definitely above average.

Funny thing is that he's outqualified Kubica every race (some races over a 1 second faster!) and has finished ahead of him 10 out of 12 races. So if Russell at 21 is nothing more than average what does that say about Kubica!

Anyway, fully expect Russell to have a good career in F1. May be tougher now with Lando's rise and claim for the British public/fans when Hamilton does move aside.

Russell has all the makings of a star from everything I've seen, even in that awful car.

pjohnson · 13-08-2019 02:02PM

I still wouldnt be suprised to see Merc just release Ocon to join Renault and keep Russell to replace Bottas for 2021. Russells been more impressive in his shítbox of a car than Ocon was in the competitive Force India imo.

chicorytip · 13-08-2019 04:57PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

David Croft is definitely the modern day Peter Collins

Monaaaahhhhco!

chicorytip · 13-08-2019 05:16PM

TCP/IP wrote: »

Cork Trucker wrote: »

2 respected F1 journalists see Kubica being shown the door of F1 altogether at the end of the season.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2019/08/12/journos-predict-kubica-to-lose-f1-seat-due-to-third-rate-car/

Shame he is not shown the door over the summer break complete waste of a seat. Should never have been given a seat in the first place.

It has been a far from disastrous comeback. What were people expecting of him exactly? He is still competent, not blindingly quick but steady, reliable and experienced enough to still be of value to the team. Looking at his driving at the moment he seems over cautious and lacking the confidence to drive the car to it's absolute limit, "wringing it's neck" as they say. He is losing time as a result of course but this could well change in time. It is only half way through the season. Gasly, Giovinazzi, Stroll and Vandoorne last year are others who have performed poorly relative to their team mates but can not be written off completely as a result.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-08-2019 05:26PM

chicorytip wrote: »

It has been a far from disastrous comeback. What were people expecting of him exactly? He is still competent, not blindingly quick but steady, reliable and experienced enough to still be of value to the team. Looking at his driving at the moment he seems over cautious and lacking the confidence to drive the car to it's absolute limit, "wringing it's neck" as they say. He is losing time as a result of course but this could well change in time. It is only half way through the season. Gasly, Giovinazzi, Stroll and Vandoorne last year are others who have performed poorly relative to their team mates but can not be written off completely as a result.

What were people expecting of him? He was touted as a world champion in waiting. it's a legend which been allowed to grow wild since his absence and would have undoubtedly led to him being ranked as one of the best of all time if it weren't for the accident.

I expected him to be quick. I expected him to be worth his place on the grid. I expected him to be competitive if not quicker than a rookie child teammate. Not a very high bar but none of these things have happened.

What did you expect from him and is he living up to your expectations.

Faugheen · 13-08-2019 06:26PM

Russell only a week and a half ago was 0.05 seconds off qualifying to Q2 on merit.

In a Williams.

If we judge drivers based on the car they're in then Alonso and Webber would have been written off a long time ago.

Cork Trucker · 13-08-2019 07:09PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Monaaaahhhhco!

He said it like “Monacko” He was some clown, as fake as they got. Croft just creams himself at the sound of Hamilton let alone the sight of him. Reminds me of the episode of Fr Ted with all the oul ones getting excited over the Daniel O’Donnell style guy

Harika · 13-08-2019 07:18PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Russell only a week and a half ago was 0.05 seconds off qualifying to Q2 on merit.

In a Williams.
o.

Some years ago this would have been a reason for instant dismissal. Sad state of affairs

El_Duderino 09 · 13-08-2019 08:45PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Russell has all the makings of a star from everything I've seen, even in that awful car.

And while you might be right, you haven seen enough to know one way or the other.

He seems to have a great attitude and he's beaten kubica. That's all we know. I suspect you're right and more to the point, I'd like to see him kick on and be a star. But we really only have evidence of him against kubica. How is he at overtaking? Hasn't come upuch this season because he has been at the back all season. How I'd he as defending? Don't know for the same reason. How is he on tyres and strategy? How is he under pressure? Don't know, is the honest answer.

But we don't have to declare him a star or a future world champion. We can just wait and see how he develops.

chicorytip · 13-08-2019 08:48PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

chicorytip wrote: »

It has been a far from disastrous comeback. What were people expecting of him exactly? He is still competent, not blindingly quick but steady, reliable and experienced enough to still be of value to the team. Looking at his driving at the moment he seems over cautious and lacking the confidence to drive the car to it's absolute limit, "wringing it's neck" as they say. He is losing time as a result of course but this could well change in time. It is only half way through the season. Gasly, Giovinazzi, Stroll and Vandoorne last year are others who have performed poorly relative to their team mates but can not be written off completely as a result.

What were people expecting of him? He was touted as a world champion in waiting. it's a legend which been allowed to grow wild since his absence and would have undoubtedly led to him being ranked as one of the best of all time if it weren't for the accident.

I expected him to be quick. I expected him to be worth his place on the grid. I expected him to be competitive if not quicker than a rookie child teammate. Not a very high bar but none of these things have happened.

What did you expect from him and is he living up to your expectations.

It's all about the car though. It's amazing that he can still drive at all considering his disability. Williams knew exactly what he was capable of before they appointed him. They knew that Russell would become the lead driver and were happy enough. I don't think Kubica's sponsorship deal had any bearing on things. The Latifi fellah has big bucks as well but is not well regarded so Bob the Pole is the right man for the foreseeable future. By the way, the Russell Q1 time in Germany was compromised greatly because both Ricciardo and Magnussen, faster cars, aborted their final runs so Russell's finishing position was false. Williams have made only slight progress, still way off the pace.

Harika · 13-08-2019 08:53PM

chicorytip wrote: »

It's all about the car though. It's amazing that he can still drive at all considering his disability. Williams knew exactly what he was capable of before they appointed him. They knew that Russell would become the lead driver and were happy enough. I don't think Kubica's sponsorship deal had any bearing on things. The Latifi fellah has big bucks as well but is not well regarded so Bob the Pole is the right man for the foreseeable future. By the way, the Russell Q1 time in Germany was compromised greatly because both Ricciardo and Magnussen, faster cars, aborted their final runs so Russell's finishing position was false. Williams have made only slight progress, still way off the pace.

lol to the bold part
Also Latifi didn't have the super license yet. His daddy also tried to buy FI so he is poking at Kubicas cockpit.

JPF82 · 13-08-2019 09:27PM

Russell had a good opening lap in Hungary.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1158992418319900672?s=19

skipper_G · 13-08-2019 10:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And while you might be right, you haven seen enough to know one way or the other.

He seems to have a great attitude and he's beaten kubica. That's all we know. I suspect you're right and more to the point, I'd like to see him kick on and be a star. But we really only have evidence of him against kubica. How is he at overtaking? Hasn't come upuch this season because he has been at the back all season. How I'd he as defending? Don't know for the same reason. How is he on tyres and strategy? How is he under pressure? Don't know, is the honest answer.

But we don't have to declare him a star or a future world champion. We can just wait and see how he develops.

I've watched him in GP3 and F2, I've seen enough evidence of his racecraft to convince me. The unknown quantity was how he would adapt to F1 and what is he like when fighting in the mix. I think he's adapted rather well so far, but I accept that's inherently subjective. The second we haven't been able to judge because the Williams is a motorised turd and his teammate is a step behind.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-08-2019 10:46PM

chicorytip wrote: »

It's all about the car though. It's amazing that he can still drive at all considering his disability. Williams knew exactly what he was capable of before they appointed him. They knew that Russell would become the lead driver and were happy enough. I don't think Kubica's sponsorship deal had any bearing on things. The Latifi fellah has big bucks as well but is not well regarded so Bob the Pole is the right man for the foreseeable future. By the way, the Russell Q1 time in Germany was compromised greatly because both Ricciardo and Magnussen, faster cars, aborted their final runs so Russell's finishing position was false. Williams have made only slight progress, still way off the pace.

OK. Just to,clarify, the question was about your expectations of him and whether he's meeting them or not (you asked my expectations and now I'm asking yours).

They didn't hire him as some kind of positive discrimination case who was doing great to even be able to drive again. They hired him for his supposed speed. People talked him up as a brilliant driver before the accident. His legend grew the longer he was out of the car. But the reality is he ISN'T fast NOW. He's being embarrassed by a rookie. The only comparable gap between teammates was gasley to verstappen and look what happened to gasley....

The reality is he is a pay driver. He pays for his seat because Williams needs money and he has $10m to pay for his seat. He's nowhere near keeping his seat on merit.

rock22 · 14-08-2019 08:32AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/10/bahrain-activist-jailed-for-criticising-grand-prix-released

Should fans of F1 be concerned at the total disregard for human rights often displayed by F1? Or is it all just good sport?

It seems , to me, that F1 has com a long way in 40 years watching. And I am not too sure it is heading in the right direction

kksaints · 14-08-2019 08:52AM

rock22 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/10/bahrain-activist-jailed-for-criticising-grand-prix-released

Should fans of F1 be concerned at the total disregard for human rights often displayed by F1? Or is it all just good sport?

It seems , to me, that F1 has com a long way in 40 years watching. And I am not too sure it is heading in the right direction

F1 has always had a somewhat dodgy moral compass. It was one of the last sports to pull out of South Africa during the Apartheid era If I recall correctly. Bernie's friendships with despots and tyrants doesn't help matters either.

weisses · 14-08-2019 10:21AM

skipper_G wrote: »

I've watched him in GP3 and F2, I've seen enough evidence of his racecraft to convince me. The unknown quantity was how he would adapt to F1 and what is he like when fighting in the mix. I think he's adapted rather well so far, but I accept that's inherently subjective. The second we haven't been able to judge because the Williams is a motorised turd and his teammate is a step behind.

Much of the same can be said about Gasly ... He is a fast and good driver, Anything can happen when you make a switch to one of the big teams, only the top drivers manage to do that ... Time and team will tell

Cork Trucker · 14-08-2019 12:19PM

Williams and Orlen still happy with Kubica

https://grandpx.news/sponsor-williams-still-supporting-kubica/

Frank Williams no longer running the team either

Meanwhile, Claire Williams has admitted that her father, team founder Sir Frank Williams, is no longer in charge at Grove.

“Frank no longer leads the team,” she said.

“Of course, I keep him informed about everything that is happening and he understands our situation. He also went through difficult times with Williams.

skipper_G · 14-08-2019 01:16PM

weisses wrote: »

Much of the same can be said about Gasly ... He is a fast and good driver, Anything can happen when you make a switch to one of the big teams, only the top drivers manage to do that ... Time and team will tell

That's true, but I never saw the same qualities in Gasly. It took him 36 races in F2 before his first win. Norris, Leclerc & Russell managed it in their first few races. Gasly is a decent reasonably quick driver, but not a top talent imo. He seems to take far too long to get to grips with a car, and has an inability to drive around a less than optimal setup.

Anjobe · 14-08-2019 03:01PM

kksaints wrote: »

F1 has always had a somewhat dodgy moral compass. It was one of the last sports to pull out of South Africa during the Apartheid era If I recall correctly. Bernie's friendships with despots and tyrants doesn't help matters either.

F1 has a pretty poor record in this regard with a number of races now in countries with governments seeking to "sportswash" their reputations. Many other sports are just as bad, but the Bahrain GP is a special case. F1 should probably never have gone there in the first place, but since it became clear that the GP was a focus for protesters and was actually leading to increased incarcerations and human rights abuses it became completely unconscionable to continue staging the race there.

flexcon · 14-08-2019 03:29PM

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TCP/IP · 14-08-2019 03:35PM

Bahrain GP will continue absolutely no reason to cancel it. Leave politics out of F1 or we won't have a single place to race.
F1 is big business more worrying is the continuing green agenda that our new owners are showing hell even Toto said the current generation has no interest in V10 engines and are more interested in sustainability.
How long till petrol is banned in F1. The world has gone mad I tell you.

Anjobe · 14-08-2019 03:42PM

TCP/IP wrote: »

Bahrain GP will continue absolutely no reason to cancel it. Leave politics out of F1 or we won't have a single place to race

So you condone the arrest and torture of people who criticize F1 online?

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