Dairy Chitchat 3

alps · 08-08-2019 12:13pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Find a good milk recorder and you'll never want to see DIY again.

Are th results accurate or are they as shambolic as the DIY results?

Mooooo · 08-08-2019 12:41pm

alps wrote: »

Are th results accurate or are they as shambolic as the DIY results?

Bf is still off, no matter what way it's done. Milk recorder comes here is good makes sure all metres agitate before sample.

C0N0R · 08-08-2019 4:30pm

What’s the pay like for milk recorders?

Castlekeeper · 08-08-2019 11:26pm

alps wrote: »

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Find a good milk recorder and you'll never want to see DIY again.

Are th results accurate or are they as shambolic as the DIY results?

Mine are spot on but we're old school here with jars, you do.lose out on the froth yield but on the plus side it gives you a realistic yield.
The pay is ****e, afaik, because they want everyone to move to DIY. You'll never get a recorder if you just ring up the office, you've to ask the recorder directly and then tell the office you have one and that your changing .

straight · 09-08-2019 10:21am

alps wrote: »

Are th results accurate or are they as shambolic as the DIY results?

How do you know it's not the co op results that are symbolic. We used to milk 2 herds before on two different farms into one milk account. The results were always identical in both farms.

Mooooo · 09-08-2019 10:27am

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Mine are spot on but we're old school here with jars, you do.lose out on the froth yield but on the plus side it gives you a realistic yield.
The pay is ****e, afaik, because they want everyone to move to DIY. You'll never get a recorder if you just ring up the office, you've to ask the recorder directly and then tell the office you have one and that your changing .

Do you take one or two samples?

alps · 09-08-2019 12:44pm

straight wrote: »

How do you know it's not the co op results that are symbolic. We used to milk 2 herds before on two different farms into one milk account. The results were always identical in both farms.

I've good faith in the consistency of the tanker results, including our own milk analyser.

Our milk recording results are always innacurate in the butterfat reading, ranging from 0.2 to 0.8 under the tank reading of the day..

I'm suspicious about

The accuracy of the drop sample taken at different flow rates
The agitation of the sample, and the huge inconsistency in agitation time
The reconstitution of the samples before analysis..(but less so on this)

Quiet frankly I believe that the current eDIY meters are either not of proper standard or are not maintained to proper standard...

straight · 09-08-2019 9:31pm

alps wrote: »

I've good faith in the consistency of the tanker results, including our own milk analyser.

Our milk recording results are always innacurate in the butterfat reading, ranging from 0.2 to 0.8 under the tank reading of the day..

I'm suspicious about

The accuracy of the drop sample taken at different flow rates
The agitation of the sample, and the huge inconsistency in agitation time
The reconstitution of the samples before analysis..(but less so on this)

Quiet frankly I believe that the current eDIY meters are either not of proper standard or are not maintained to proper standard...

We use a tech for our recording and we have jars. She agitates every jar before sampling. I know there is no new parlours with jars but we wouldn't be without them.

atlantic mist · 10-08-2019 10:22am

diy readers only take sample in pm, dont think they can be fully accurate

what i always find funny is how similar my results are to previous year, take the snow last year my results were very similar to previous year even though cows were on silage full time instead of grass same in drought

im finding i have huge difference between tankers on liters in collection, have digital dipstick in tank, and i have 3 different lorries come in here and all give me differing amounts in comparison to tank, was told when i complained tankers are calibrated by filling it manually with a hose:) nice saving if they can knock 100 liters of each of us each collection

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2019 10:34am

atlantic mist wrote: »

diy readers only take sample in pm, dont think they can be fully accurate

what i always find funny is how similar my results are to previous year, take the snow last year my results were very similar to previous year even though cows were on silage full time instead of grass same in drought

im finding i have huge difference between tankers on liters in collection, have digital dipstick in tank, and i have 3 different lorries come in here and all give me differing amounts in comparison to tank, was told when i complained tankers are calibrated by filling it manually with a hose:) nice saving if they can knock 100 liters of each of us each collection

Manual sampling isn't much better, tbh. Half filled in the evening and half filled in the morning even though 40% of milk in the evening and 60% in the morning.

We were set stocked here when we started recording so the cows were getting the same feed in quality and quantity every single day. I used have to ring up the manager and ask why the recording figures were so much lower than the tank figures even though they could see my figures staying constant every single day. Next result and the protein would rise by 0.1%.

Every single year!

Say my name · 10-08-2019 10:48am

atlantic mist wrote: »

diy readers only take sample in pm, dont think they can be fully accurate

what i always find funny is how similar my results are to previous year, take the snow last year my results were very similar to previous year even though cows were on silage full time instead of grass same in drought

im finding i have huge difference between tankers on liters in collection, have digital dipstick in tank, and i have 3 different lorries come in here and all give me differing amounts in comparison to tank, was told when i complained tankers are calibrated by filling it manually with a hose:) nice saving if they can knock 100 liters of each of us each collection

If you're finding differences in the lorries.
You need to find out who's on your milk round and see if they also have differences.
I know this mightnt be easy nowadays as some lorries mix around collections and often don't collect farms near each other but mix it up every few days, deliberately or otherwise but sometimes they can have a set collection and of neighbours.

I had a problem of litres being down on a collection and for luck I was talking to a neighbour and it came up and they were down to. Then that evening at a cemetery patron that neighbour got talking to all the other neighbours and they all were down in the exact same % in milk as normal.
We all rang the milk manager just after 9 a.m. on the Monday morning. I was the third caller on the matter. So he was forced to look into the matter.
That evening I saw a van with some company and calibrations on the side of it pass the house. So it seems they indeed had to go the milk haulier and check the lorry.
To make a short story long we all got our litres back on that collection. :pac:

farisfat · 10-08-2019 10:41pm

Is their anyone here involved with leasing of dairy cows.It's something I'm thinking of doing with excess heifers.
Id be thinking of a long term lease.

Castlekeeper · 10-08-2019 10:56pm

farisfat wrote: »

Is their anyone here involved with leasing of dairy cows.It's something I'm thinking of doing with excess heifers.
Id be thinking of a long term lease.

Why? I don't see the point really, too many risks and not enough benefits. You're getting tangled up in a dependant relationship unnecessarily which is never wise.
Just as easy to sell your surplus for now and retain surplus or purchase whenever you need imho.

Water John · 10-08-2019 11:04pm

Interesting concept. There used to something similar with sheep. Not sure if it was used in this country, certainly in Scotland, where you gave hogget ewes to a starter who then gave you back some of the first years lambs.

Easy to put a first day value and come to a rental. Do you always own and get the cull value?
Let's say the cows avg 4 lactations. What would the rental be about?
Who owns the calves?

Castle a starter, wouldn't have to come up with the capital cost. Faris would hope to have a greater return than simple sale.

Castlekeeper · 10-08-2019 11:12pm

Water John wrote: »

Interesting concept. There used to something similar with sheep. Not sure if it was used in this country, certainly in Scotland, where you gave hogget ewes to a starter who then gave you back some of the first years lambs.

Easy to put a first day value and come to a rental. Do you always own and get the cull value?
Let's say the cows avg 4 lactations. What would the rental be about?
Who owns the calves?

Castle a starter, wouldn't have to come up with the capital cost. Faris would hope to have a greater return than simple sale.

Only came across two different lads considering it, one was a bit tight and the the other a dodge, neither worth the risk.

farisfat · 10-08-2019 11:16pm

Water John wrote: »

Interesting concept. There used to something similar with sheep. Not sure if it was used in this country, certainly in Scotland, where you gave hogget ewes to a starter who then gave you back some of the first years lambs.

Easy to put a first day value and come to a rental. Do you always own and get the cull value?
Let's say the cows avg 4 lactations. What would the rental be about?
Who owns the calves?

Castle a starter, wouldn't have to come up with the capital cost. Faris would hope to have a greater return than simple sale.

From my research so far yearly lease is 15% to 20% of cow value.
And after a 5 year lease you'd get the value of the animal you leased or get a cow back of the same lactation with similar ebi.

farisfat · 10-08-2019 11:19pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Only came across two different lads considering it, one was a bit tight and the the other a dodge, neither worth the risk.

Yes anyone that would be looking to lease would be maxed out with the banks.....I was that way not so long ago and I wouldn't consider myself tight or a dodge.

Water John · 10-08-2019 11:29pm

That's an interest only 5 year loan of the cow value at 15/20% interest. Pay the capital back at the end of the loan.
Cull price would seem more in order at the end.
Cow €1,500
Rent €300 x 5 = 1,500
Cull value 700
Total €2,200

farisfat · 10-08-2019 11:31pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Why? I don't see the point really, too many risks and not enough benefits. You're getting tangled up in a dependant relationship unnecessarily which is never wise.
Just as easy to sell your surplus for now and retain surplus or purchase whenever you need imho.

The figures add up if ever thing goes to plan.

Water John · 10-08-2019 11:38pm

If you do what I suggest over a number of years rolling, you in effect would be selling your springer heifers for €2,200.
I realise a lot of capital is tied up in 5 years of cows but the increased price would make it a good option.

farisfat · 10-08-2019 11:44pm

Water John wrote: »

If you do what I suggest over a number of years rolling, you in effect would be selling your springer heifers for €2,200.
I realise a lot of capital is tied up in 5 years of cows but the increased price would make it a good option.

Read back on my posts..?..you can add 800 to that figure.

Water John · 10-08-2019 11:48pm

I know, my point is it's an interest rate of 15/20% on your figures.

C0N0R · 11-08-2019 7:03am

Was popular in Nz when I was there, basically 10% of value and if you lease a heifer for two years you get back a in calf cow calving down for her third lactation. Some people would have made good money leasing heifers out for a year then selling them as second calvers without having to touch the animal

Castlekeeper · 11-08-2019 10:22am

farisfat wrote: »

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Only came across two different lads considering it, one was a bit tight and the the other a dodge, neither worth the risk.

Yes anyone that would be looking to lease would be maxed out with the banks.....I was that way not so long ago and I wouldn't consider myself tight or a dodge.

More talking about their personalities than their finances.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 11-08-2019 10:43am

We've had a bit of bother with our water pump for the last week. It would cut out and not come back on for some reason but pressing the reset button would sort it for a few days, then every day and then it gave out altogether on Friday evening so I switched over to mains and gave Newcastle West electrical a shout on Saturday morning and they said they would call out Monday if they were able.

Anyway, he arrived this morning and sorted out the switch causing the problem. Great service to come on Sunday when they wouldn't be able to call on Monday. Totally unexpected. They deserve a shout out, I think:)

visatorro · 11-08-2019 11:13am

atlantic mist wrote: »

diy readers only take sample in pm, dont think they can be fully accurate

what i always find funny is how similar my results are to previous year, take the snow last year my results were very similar to previous year even though cows were on silage full time instead of grass same in drought

im finding i have huge difference between tankers on liters in collection, have digital dipstick in tank, and i have 3 different lorries come in here and all give me differing amounts in comparison to tank, was told when i complained tankers are calibrated by filling it manually with a hose:) nice saving if they can knock 100 liters of each of us each collection

How do the newer milk tanks measure volume?

trixi2011 · 11-08-2019 11:49am

farisfat wrote: »

Is their anyone here involved with leasing of dairy cows.It's something I'm thinking of doing with excess heifers.
Id be thinking of a long term lease.

Know of heifers being leased out 10% of heifer value ussualy 1500. End of lease farmer need to return animal of similar ebi breed as initial animal . So pretty much much you lease of out a first lactation animal recieve 150 euros in lease fees per animal per year and when the lease finnished you receive an incalf heifer. World of warning need to have a independent middle man to keep things right and fair in these arrangements.

kevthegaff · 11-08-2019 12:17pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

We've had a bit of bother with our water pump for the last week. It would cut out and not come back on for some reason but pressing the reset button would sort it for a few days, then every day and then it gave out altogether on Friday evening so I switched over to mains and gave Newcastle West electrical a shout on Saturday morning and they said they would call out Monday if they were able.

Anyway, he arrived this morning and sorted out the switch causing the problem. Great service to come on Sunday when they wouldn't be able to call on Monday. Totally unexpected. They deserve a shout out, I think:)

I have a few switches in reserve, their easy to change if that's the problem, spare capacitors also

atlantic mist · 11-08-2019 12:48pm

visatorro wrote: »

How do the newer milk tanks measure volume?

the back of the tank has a markings for height and in the front there is a probe which rises as the tank fills. calibration chart gives measurements at both front and back of tank to give liters, all tanks calibrated in factory before arriving on site to avoid any confusion with slope on floor

out on the continent bulk tank driver takes print out from tank instead of getting it from the processor lorry

Water John · 11-08-2019 2:22pm

The 10% there lads seems much more in order. Similar in calf heifer back or the €1,500 in year 3-5 would seem reasonable.
Basically loan at 10%. Similar to P2P financing.

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