Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Court documents submitted by Bailey claim she could not run for 3 months, yet three weeks after her 'accident' she ran a 10km 40+ seconds outside her PB. That is a verifiable lie.I run on a regular basis and it is not credible to suggest she did not train during the 3 weeks between her 'accident' and race and yet she completed the run within seconds of her PB.

thats all great and all but she could just claim she misrembered. Now prove she didn't misremember and that she knew it was a lie. that is what you need to do to secure a conviction. Its a very high bar.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

And in both cases the law was broken, Bailey by her own admission, should be held to a higher standard though.

Not to the point of prosecution. She should be and may well be soon enough. Removing her from the Committee chair as is rumoured will be her punishment.

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed, were the legal firms not so keen to push for ever bigger paydays some people could be headed off. How is Madigan complicit here? She doesn't work for them.

Madigan doesn't work for the firm now.
It's patently obvious given that Madigan has already invoked privilege that she is/was the source of the original advice.
Even moreso given the efforts to distance her from the furore.

The current speculation is that not only was Madigan present at the "accident" and as such a witness to it.
But also that she is the font of legal wisdom from which the advice for the action sprang.

Now do you see any potential ethical issue with profiting professionally from an action that not only were you a witness to, but likely to be at very least questioned over?

Competent legal advice at that point, would have been to direct her friend to an alternative firm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

We know it was Bailey, but we don't know for sure whether it was Madigan.

We also don't know whether the latter cooperated with Leo's inquiry.

Until we know these things - and we may never know them if the Report isn't published - there will be a big dark cloud hanging over Josepha.

I'd normally give someone the benefit of the doubt, but I certainly wouldn't be voting for JM if I resided in her constituency.

Madigan has already refused to answer any questions relating to Bailey and incident on the basis of Solicitor/Client privilege.

The strong inference from that is that she acted as a legal advisor in this situation.

If she had not, she could certainly have declared same without prejudice to any other existing instructions.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

So greater penalties should be put on inaccurate information on a sworn affidavit.

Oh they are advised of that.
Unfortunately they are also advised not to worry as at the affidavit stage everything is still subject to revision and can be changed.

Which is completely at odds with what an affidavit is meant to be.

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I don't really give a fiddlers weather she committed a crime or faces prosecution. What I do give a fiddlers about is the fact that she is a welcome member of the governing party.

Her along with Farrell, who did make it to court and produce false evidence, attempted to scam money wrongly from insurance companies which costs us all money.

Vradkar is willing to keep these reprehensible scumbags on his team, the same team that are making decisions on how our money is spent.

So we know for sure that Leo's team are the sort of people who will lie and cheat to enrich themselves so why would anyone believe that the same team would not be taking brown envelopes stuffed with cash and selling Joe taxpayer down the swanny with dodgy deals.

Charlie Haughey had more ethics than this crowd.

This is not going to be swept under the rug.

Last week of the Dail for the summer so it will have gone by September as there are more pressing things to worry about.

Surely the longer they let this play out, the more damage they are doing to themselves?
SF to leap frog FG in the next GE? :eek:

When this started, I would have been happy to be unhappy with what she did, and a public apology and some (any) sort of punishment even if she chose it herself.
Then her interview with SOR. Her arrogance, lack of remorse and blaming everyone else just served to anger the public.
No longer would a sanction or the removal of Bailey be sufficient. Now I don't think I will ever vote FG again with Farrell, Madigan, Bailey or Varadkar in that party. Varadkar to me has shown all the colours of a coward.

Maria Bailey can and should be dismissed for (at the very least) bringing the party into disrepute. There was a review conducted and it was found that she had no basis for making the original claim.

On top of that, I hope the Dean hotel get awarded every penny they are looking for, and I hope it is a lot.
No doubt she would be hired as a secretary, or some other lucrative position when they want to apologise to her for having to punish her..

is_that_so wrote: »

Last week of the Dail for the summer so it will have gone by September as there are more pressing things to worry about.

We've heard that bull around here before, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Snow Garden wrote: »

Very naive thinking and I think you know that. We all predicted Leo might try to stall his response until the Dail recess. We all know that will look like a cowardly fudge. The opposition will make hay on this until and during the upcoming general election.

Paddy likes to know the story. It's turning into a nightmare for FG now.

That's how politics works. A week is a long time a summer an eternity! Upcoming election is probably next year.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Maria's story broke 8 weeks ago, still rumbling along. Election well before Christmas . FF on the rise thanks to FG.

Not enough time with Brexit on 31st October. Politicians don't like winter campaigns nor do voters. Feb/Mar earliest I'd say.