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Willie Frazer has died

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    #332
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Never found guilty of any crime, or suspected of it.
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason : the applicant may have socialised or associated with a paramilitary person at some stage in their past. A reason has to be given for refusing the licence.

    As said before, if obstructing traffic was the worst crime he was ever found guilty of , he was a saint compared to some uni SF.

    There they go again.......


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    Honestly, stop embarrassing yourself, has there ever been a single debate on this entire site that you've kept a single shred of integrity on?


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    #333
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »


    You said he'd never been suspected of a crime. He was.

    In the contest of n, Ireland / what we were talking about, being a member of a paramilitary or shooting or bombing would have been a crime . If obstructing traffic was the worst that he ever did, that was nothing, compared to 6 different murders of close members of his family by Republicans, him being assaulted, his car being burnt out etc.


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    #334
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    In the contest of n, Ireland / what we were talking about, being a member of a paramilitary or shooting or bombing would have been a crime . If obstructing traffic was the worst that he ever did, that was nothing, compared to 6 different murders of close members of his family by Republicans, him being assaulted, his car being burnt out etc.




    You stated he was never suspected of a crime - he was. In addition to illegal protests there was the problems with the accounting of his charity.


    You claimed

    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason


    A source for that please. Or is it yet another lie?


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    #335
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    has there ever been a single debate on this entire site that you've kept a single shred of integrity on?

    I have the integrity to condemn the paramilitaries on both sides, you condemn them on one side only.


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    #336
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I have to say I think the way the unionist community treat one of their own is shocking. Instead of mourning the passing of Frazer they use it to make attacks on rival groups and post nonsense about everything Irish. Another started an account to pretend to go to Frazer's funeral and then got the event location wrong. Not one of them gave proper condolences to the man. Juts used his death as a opportunity to have a laugh.

    One moderate unionist poster previously stated on here that he's sick of unionists being painted as the bad guy, brainless and uneducated. Well blame the people on here representing unionism with cowardice, stupidity and bile.


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    #337
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Not one of them gave proper condolences to the man. Juts used his death as a opportunity to have a laugh.

    The only people who used his death to have a laugh were Republicans, some of whom made very nasty remarks. I said before if you cannot think of something nice to say about someone who has just died, you should say nothing. Contrast the remarks made by some Republicans about the passing of Willie Frazor, a spokesperson for victims of violence, and the comments made about other deaths recently.


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    #338
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The only people who used his death to have a laugh were Republicans, some of whom made very nasty remarks. I said before if you cannot think of something nice to say about someone who has just died, you should say nothing. Contrast the remarks made by some Republicans about the passing of Willie Frazor, a spokesperson for victims of violence, and the comments made about other deaths recently.




    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason


    You've a source to back that claim?


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    #339
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The only people who used his death to have a laugh were Republicans, some of whom made very nasty remarks. I said before if you cannot think of something nice to say about someone who has just died, you should say nothing. Contrast the remarks made by some Republicans about the passing of Willie Frazor, a spokesperson for victims of violence, and the comments made about other deaths recently.

    Willy was a poisonous little wretch who stirred the sh!t constantly. His so called support group was a sham and a farce, a front for stirring sh!t. Even most loyalists steered well clear of Willy because they even realised how bonkers he was.


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    #340
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Willy was a poisonous little wretch who stirred the sh!t constantly. His so called support group was a sham and a farce, a front for stirring sh!t. Even most loyalists steered well clear of Willy because they even realised how bonkers he was.

    A good example of my point made about an hour ago.


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    #341
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    A good example of my point made about an hour ago.


    You stated

    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason




    Wheres your source to back that claim?


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    #342
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You stated





    Wheres your source to back that claim?

    It was a lie to begin with, you aren't going to get backup.


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    #343
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Stunning that a judge, over 20 yrs since the GFA has directed that the police force of northern Ireland is not fit to examine what went on with the Glenane killings.
    Willie was a part of the disease that saw only one side as victims, as a prominent poster here does.
    The sooner we have an independent truth and reconciliation process the better, the British and Unionists are too afraid of it.


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    #344
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :) I'm out of this one.

    A few days ago you exited this thread Francie, now we see you are back again.


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    #345
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    A few days ago you exited this thread Francie, now we see you are back again.

    I exited engaging with you. Bye.


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    #346
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »


    Wheres your source to back that claim?

    Firearms (northern Ireland) order 2004. Read it for yourself. It is not like America where everyone can carry a gun. Just as well too I think.


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    #347
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭circadian


    janfebmar wrote: »
    A good example of my point made about an hour ago.

    Ah right so when someone that has been in the public eye dies and they become a topic of discussion we shouldn't be discussing their shortcomings?

    Gotcha.


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    #348
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    circadian wrote: »
    Ah right so when someone that has been in the public eye dies and they become a topic of discussion we shouldn't be discussing their shortcomings?

    Gotcha.

    The invention of a 'saintly victim' is well underway.


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    #349
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    circadian wrote: »
    Ah right so when someone that has been in the public eye dies and they become a topic of discussion we shouldn't be discussing their shortcomings?

    .

    Everyone has their faults. However he was not a paramilitary, he never committed a terrorist or paramilitary crime and he did not receive a paramilitary funeral. 6 members of his close family were systematically targeted by Republicans and murdered. Yet before he was cold in the grave certain posters were calling him a scumbag, a poisonous little wretch etc.
    When leaders of the pira , who probably sanctioned such attacks as Claudy and Enniskillen, pass on I do not recall ready such comments.


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    #350
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭horsebox1977


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Everyone has their faults. However he was not a paramilitary, he never committed a terrorist or paramilitary crime and he did not receive a paramilitary funeral. 6 members of his close family were systematically targeted by Republicans and murdered. Yet before he was cold in the grave certain posters were calling him a scumbag, a poisonous little wretch etc.
    When leaders of the pira , who probably sanctioned such attacks as Claudy and Enniskillen, pass on I do not recall ready such comments.

    Posters speaking the truth. Ireland is a better place without him.

    Edit - everyone of your posts appear to be defending Soldier F and Wilie Frazier - good bye


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    #351
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    horsebox1977 wrote: »
    Posters speaking the truth. Ireland is a better place without him.

    Edit - everyone of your posts appear to be defending Soldier F and Wilie Frazier - good bye

    Extraordinary, things that were said about him when he was alive are now not allowed when he has passed. When nothing has changed about him other than he has died.
    I regret his death, as I do any death, he was part of the conversation (a comedic one at the end), but his death doesn't change who he was, in the same way that death hasn't changed who Martin McGuinness was.


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    #352
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    horsebox1977 wrote: »

    Edit - everyone of your posts appear to be defending Soldier F and Wilie Frazier - good bye

    I never once mentioned "soldier F". Goodbye.


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    #353
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Extraordinary, things that were said about him when he was alive are now not allowed when he has passed. When nothing has changed about him other than he has died.
    I regret his death, as I do any death, he was part of the conversation (a comedic one at the end), but his death doesn't change who he was, in the same way that death hasn't changed who Martin McGuinness was.

    I was thinking more of manners observed after 2 other deaths last month.


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    #354
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody opened threads looking for sympathy for former members of the IRA.
    Those men have died, think of them as you wish. There is nobody spinning yarns about them being victims. And as far as I know after the conflict ended they were not stirring a pot of bigotry.

    If people know different about them, post the links.


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    #355
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Those men have died, think of them as you wish. There is nobody spinning yarns about them being victims.

    You do not think Frazer, who lost his father when he was young, and 5 other members of his close family, and who was physically attacked himself more than once, had his car burnt out etc, was in some ways at least a victim of the troubles? Like the families he represented who lost innocent family members in the kingsmill massacre?


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    #356
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭circadian


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Everyone has their faults. However he was not a paramilitary, he never committed a terrorist or paramilitary crime and he did not receive a paramilitary funeral. 6 members of his close family were systematically targeted by Republicans and murdered. Yet before he was cold in the grave certain posters were calling him a scumbag, a poisonous little wretch etc.
    When leaders of the pira , who probably sanctioned such attacks as Claudy and Enniskillen, pass on I do not recall ready such comments.

    Maybe because he was a nasty little **** stirrer.
    janfebmar wrote: »
    You do not think Frazer, who lost his father when he was young, and 5 other members of his close family, and who was physically attacked himself more than once, had his car burnt out etc,[\b] was in some ways at least a victim of the troubles? Like the families he represented who lost innocent family members in the kingsmill massacre?

    Pretty sure that was for an insurance claim since funding for FAIR got pulled.


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    #357
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    circadian wrote: »

    Pretty sure that was for an insurance claim since funding for FAIR got pulled.

    And I suppose the numerous physical assaults on Frazer by Republicans, inc some caught on video, were all figments of his imagination too? And the 6 murders of members of his close family, and his numerous friends who were attacked by Republicans, sure he was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out such cases. He was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out that 90% of the murders between 1971 and 1989 in Fermanagh / South Tyrone were committed by Republicans. I suppose the thousands of bombs that Republicans placed in Protestant businesses along the border in Fermanagh, South Armagh etc during the troubles were all insurance claims to, rather than a campaign of ethnic cleansing like many saw it?


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    #358
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭circadian


    That was quite the leap.


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    #359
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And I suppose the numerous physical assaults on Frazer by Republicans, inc some caught on video, were all figments of his imagination too? And the 6 murders of members of his close family, and his numerous friends who were attacked by Republicans, sure he was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out such cases. He was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out that 90% of the murders between 1971 and 1989 in Fermanagh / South Tyrone were committed by Republicans. I suppose the thousands of bombs that Republicans placed in Protestant businesses along the border in Fermanagh, South Armagh etc during the troubles were all insurance claims to, rather than a campaign of ethnic cleansing like many saw it?

    You make him sound like a Gerry Adams, he was not a paramilitary, he never committed a terrorist or paramilitary crime . Several members of his close family were systematically targeted by loyalists and murdered. Yet despite this went ahead to make peace in Northern Ireland.


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    #360
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You make him sound like a Gerry Adams, he was not a paramilitary, he never committed a terrorist or paramilitary crime . Several members of his close family were systematically targeted by loyalists and murdered. Yet despite this went ahead to make peace in Northern Ireland.

    The relatives of the victims of the Glenane gang didn't turn into bitter bigots either nor those of the Kingsmill victims. In fact they are the direct opposite and they have gotten their inquiry and a chance at justice.


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    #361
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And I suppose the numerous physical assaults on Frazer by Republicans, inc some caught on video, were all figments of his imagination too? And the 6 murders of members of his close family, and his numerous friends who were attacked by Republicans, sure he was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out such cases. He was a nasty little s**t stirrer for pointing out that 90% of the murders between 1971 and 1989 in Fermanagh / South Tyrone were committed by Republicans. I suppose the thousands of bombs that Republicans placed in Protestant businesses along the border in Fermanagh, South Armagh etc during the troubles were all insurance claims to, rather than a campaign of ethnic cleansing like many saw it?

    Naw mate...he was a nasty little.sh1t stirrer for calling a primary school.and ira training centre for kids


    But then yous knew that already


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