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Willie Frazer has died

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    #272
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    janfebmar wrote: »
    He helped catholic families of public servants in N.I. killed by Republicans.
    "Republicans"??
    So called you mean.
    That shower hadnt a Republican bone in their bodies


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    #273
    Pedro K
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He certainly seemed to have no problems 'helping himself'

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/06/19/news/funding-withdrawn-from-charity-linked-to-willie-frazer-1644977/



    and not just once but twice:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-15644147

    Ah yeah, but he was never convicted of anything, so it's all good, according to janfebmar. You're wasting your time with that poster. They're so blinded by their sectarianism that they're almost a parody of themself.


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    #274
    dd973
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    Don't know where all the Teutonic delusions of Ulster Protestants/Unionists come from, prior to The Reformation they were all Catholic and prior to that they were all kilt-wearing haggis chasing Gaelgeoirs.

    They have this superiority complex where they perceive themselves as Nordic and white European people whom are one Christian sect removed are perceived as Bangladeshi's.


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    #275
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Republicans"??
    So called you mean.
    That shower hadnt a Republican bone in their bodies

    But they claimed to have, and their supporters thought and think they had.


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    #276
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    But they claimed to have, and their supporters thought and think they had.

    Could you rephrase that so it makes sense in the King's English?


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    #277
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Republicans"??
    So called you mean.
    That shower hadnt a Republican bone in their bodies

    That shower as you called them, claimed to be Republicans. Their supporters thought that were Republicans, back in the day. Many if not all of their supporters still think they were Republicans, and not only that but great lads.


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    #278
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    That shower as you called them, claimed to be Republicans. Their supporters thought that were Republicans, back in the day. Many if not all of their supporters still think they were Republicans, and not only that but great lads.

    My head hurts J. What do you mean by this?


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    #279
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Steddyeddy, why not ask Edgeware what he meant when he was talking about Republican extremists who killed:
    Edgware wrote: »
    "Republicans"??
    So called you mean.
    That shower hadnt a Republican bone in their bodies

    I would guess he meant true Republicans did not bomb and shoot and terrorise people.


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    #280
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Steddyeddy, why not ask Edgeware what he meant when he was talking about Republican extremists who killed:

    I would guess he meant true Republicans did not bomb and shoot and terrorise people.

    You mean pacifists not republicans


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    #281
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,870 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It hasn't gone away you know.... obviously.

    Honestly I really wish people would move on. It is scary to see a lot of the posts on this.

    It is all just under the surface waiting to erupt from what I can see.

    Brexit and a hard border would be better than this.


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    #282
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,269 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    It hasn't gone away you know.... obviously.

    Honestly I really wish people would move on. It is scary to see a lot of the posts on this.

    It is all just under the surface waiting to erupt from what I can see.

    Brexit and a hard border would be better than this.

    Yes, boards.ie threads are the worst.

    That or spilling tea or catching Aids.


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    #283
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    In fairness I think it would be a lot scarier of posters were genuinely looking up to the man. There's no one here who seriously admires the man. One or two posters who just want to annoy people don't fall into that category.


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    #284
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    RIP. One of the best comedians this island has ever produced. He always had new material.


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    #285
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    There's no one here who seriously admires the man.

    Every man man his faults. However you cannot take away for his bravery. He was fearless in his approach and some people didn’t either like or appreciate that - but they had not lived the experience that he had, growing up in South Armagh, with 6 of his close family murdered, countless friends murdered and intimidated etc. That would have a big effect on anyone. As a spokesperson for another victims group said of Frazer "Yes he had flaws but so too does every one of us" .

    Even Simon Coveney expressed his sincere sympathies to Mr Frazer's family and acknowledged "his work of many years advocating for victims of the Troubles in Northern Ireland". Would our Tanaiste have said that if he did not admire the man?


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    #286
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Every man man his faults. However you cannot take away for his bravery. He was fearless in his approach and some people didn’t either like or appreciate that - but they had not lived the experience that he had, growing up in South Armagh, with 6 of his close family murdered, countless friends murdered and intimidated etc. That would have a big effect on anyone. As a spokesperson for another victims group said of Frazer "Yes he had flaws but so too does every one of us" .

    Even Simon Coveney expressed his sincere sympathies to Mr Frazer's family and acknowledged "his work of many years advocating for victims of the Troubles in Northern Ireland". Would our Tanaiste have said that if he did not admire the man?

    I couldn't give a ****e how many of his family got killed. Anyone that organises a loyalist march down the centee of dublin is a ****e disturber in the highest degree.


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    #287
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Every man man his faults. However you cannot take away for his bravery. He was fearless in his approach and some people didn’t either like or appreciate that - but they had not lived the experience that he had, growing up in South Armagh, with 6 of his close family murdered, countless friends murdered and intimidated etc. That would have a big effect on anyone. As a spokesperson for another victims group said of Frazer "Yes he had flaws but so too does every one of us" .

    Willie was a deluded bumbling idiot, a real life version of an online troll. It's ironic you have such admiration towards him.
    Even Simon Coveney expressed his sincere sympathies to Mr Frazer's family and acknowledged "his work of many years advocating for victims of the Troubles in Northern Ireland". Would our Tanaiste have said that if he did not admire the man?

    He said similar about Martin McGuinness, he even attended his (McGuinness) funeral.

    Penny dropped yet Mary?


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    #288
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    simongurnick wrote: »
    I couldn't give a ****e how many of his family got killed.
    Anyone that organises a loyalist march down the centee of dublin is a ****e disturber in the highest degree.

    "LOVE ULSTER LEADER and victims campaigner Willie Frazer has died of cancer aged 58. Frazer was a long-time campaigner for victims of republican violence during The Troubles.

    He was a lead organiser of the Love Ulster campaign, which in 2006 had to abandon a march in Dublin due to serious violence (by those who opposed the march)"

    The march in Dublin was sanctioned by Dublin City council, it also got the green light from the Irish authorities & the Gardai.

    The reason the march was accommodated in the 1st place was in part to show that our Capital city was a tolerant, open, and fully inclusive city (Like London).

    The violence & rioting against the Dublin march was obviously planned and orchestrated by Republican sympathisers, probably the very type of people who would have supported IRA/Republican violence during the Troubles.


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    #289
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    "LOVE ULSTER LEADER and victims campaigner Willie Frazer has died of cancer aged 58. Frazer was a long-time campaigner for victims of republican violence during The Troubles.

    He was a lead organiser of the Love Ulster campaign, which in 2006 had to abandon a march in Dublin due to serious violence (by those who opposed the march)"

    The march in Dublin was sanctioned by Dublin City council, it also got the green light from the Irish authorities & the Gardai.

    The reason the march was organised in the 1st place was in part to show that our Capital city was a modern and fully accommodating city (Like London).

    Permission for the march was also to show that Dublin was not hostile towards Unionist remembrance, but was open and modern enough to accommodate a Loyalist march!

    The violence & rioting against the Dublin march was obviously planned and orchestrated by Republican sympathisers, probably the very type of people who would have supported IRA/Republican violence during the Troubles.

    What nonsense, that's like claiming the reason the Brexit party was established, was to show to the world what a tolerant accomodating bunch the European parliament is.


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    #290
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    simongurnick wrote: »
    I couldn't give a ****e how many of his family got killed.

    Because of people like you, and those on this thread who would condone the 6 members of his family and others being murdered, it is safe to say there will not be a united Ireland for another generation or two at least.


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    #291
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    What nonsense, that's like claiming the reason the Brexit party was established, was to show to the world what a tolerant accomodating bunch the European parliament is.

    Thanks, it was badly worded
    Fixed.


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    #292
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Willie was a deluded bumbling idiot, a real life version of an online troll. It's ironic you have such admiration towards him.


    He said similar about Martin McGuinness, he even attended his (McGuinness) funeral.

    Penny dropped yet Mary?

    The penny has indeed dropped with Janfebmar, she now believes that people who were not found guilty of anything were just innocent victims and are to be admired and anything they say has to be seen in the light of that.


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    #293
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The penny has indeed dropped with Janfebmar, she now believes that people who were not found guilty of anything were just innocent victims and are to be admired and anything they say has to be seen in the light of that.

    Added kudos if Coveney expressed sympathies on your passing.


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    #294
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The penny has indeed dropped with Janfebmar, she now believes that people who were not found guilty of anything were just innocent victims and are to be admired and anything they say has to be seen in the light of that.

    Naw, the reason W Frazer was admired was because of his bravery in the face of intimidation and despite attacks from Republicans, he spoke out on behalf of the many victims of Republican violence.


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    #295
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Naw, the reason W Frazer was admired was because of his bravery in the face of intimidation and despite attacks from Republicans, he spoke out on behalf of the many victims of Republican violence.

    The reason McGuinness was admired (by many many more btw) was because of his bravery in the face of intimidation and despite attacks from the British and Loyalists, he spoke out on behalf of the many victims of British and Loyalist violence without bigoted bitterness and kooky sensationalist conspiracy theories.


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    #296
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The reason McGuinness was admired (by many many more btw) was because of his bravery in the face of intimidation and despite attacks from the British and Loyalists, he spoke out on behalf of the many victims of British and Loyalist violence without bigoted bitterness and kooky sensationalist conspiracy theories.

    Whataboutery. But seeing as you are indulging in whataboutery and bringing Mcguinness in to it, perhaps you could clarify which person lost 6 members of his close family in different attacks, and which person was a member of a paramilitary organisation back in the day?


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    #297
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Whataboutery. But seeing as you are indulging in whataboutery and bringing Mcguinness in to it, perhaps you could clarify which person lost 6 members of his close family in different attacks, and which person was a member of a paramilitary organisation back in the day?

    McGuinness was and was lauded and admired by all sides on his death.

    Loads of people lost family members and didn't turn into comedy bigots, effectively barred from being given funding on several occasions.


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    #298
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    McGuinness was and was lauded and admired by all sides on his death.

    Loads of people lost family members and didn't turn into comedy bigots, effectively barred from being given funding on several occasions.

    You did not answer the 2 questions. Try again.


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    #299
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    You did not answer the 2 questions. Try again.

    Willie lost 6 members of his family in the war/conflict they were combatants in. Many many lost family that were wholly innocent and didn't turn into the rabid bigot Willie was.

    Martin McGuinness was a member of the IRA.


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    #300
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The reason McGuinness was admired (by many many more btw) was because of his bravery in the face of intimidation and despite attacks from the British and Loyalists, he spoke out on behalf of the many victims of British and Loyalist violence without bigoted bitterness and kooky sensationalist conspiracy theories.

    The family and friends of his fellow Derryman, Patsy Gillespie, didnt admire him. You can revise history as much as you want but McGuinness was still head of a sectarian murder gang. Him and his fellow Chuckle Brother bigot, Paisley, were well matched


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    #301
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edgware wrote: »
    The family and friends of his fellow Derryman, Patsy Gillespie, didnt admire him. You can revise history as much as you want but McGuinness was still head of a sectarian murder gang. Him and his fellow Chuckle Brother bigot, Paisley, were well matched

    Which is the point.
    Just because a politician for diplomatic reasons lauds somebody on their death means little.

    Next thing you'll be telling us is that Janfebmar applies her reasoning of Frazer to McGuinness and lauds them both equally. :):)


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