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Willie Frazer has died

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    #302
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Whataboutery. But seeing as you are indulging in whataboutery and bringing Mcguinness in to it, perhaps you could clarify which person lost 6 members of his close family in different attacks, and which person was a member of a paramilitary organisation back in the day?

    Are there not garda accusations of willie frazer being a member of a loyalist terrorist group?


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    #303
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    "LOVE ULSTER LEADER and victims campaigner Willie Frazer has died of cancer aged 58. Frazer was a long-time campaigner for victims of republican violence during The Troubles.

    He was a lead organiser of the Love Ulster campaign, which in 2006 had to abandon a march in Dublin due to serious violence (by those who opposed the march)"

    The march in Dublin was sanctioned by Dublin City council, it also got the green light from the Irish authorities & the Gardai.

    The reason the march was accommodated in the 1st place was in part to show that our Capital city was a tolerant, open, and fully inclusive city (Like London).

    The violence & rioting against the Dublin march was obviously planned and orchestrated by Republican sympathisers, probably the very type of people who would have supported IRA/Republican violence during the Troubles.

    The Dublin/Irish authorities were idiots to allow it. Played into Fraser's hands. I'd say he was beside himself with delight when it kicked off.
    While there were likely Republicans you can be assured many people saw the march for what it was. Nobody buys the premise of a peaceful parade. It was to stick to the Irish for a reaction and our authorities should have known better. Then you have criminals taking advantage. Footlocker wasn't raided for the cause. N.I. can do with one less clown.


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    #304
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Willie Frazers father was far from an innocent victim he was a member of the Glennane gang and he is believed to have murdered 2 innocent GAA fans at a bogus checkpoint a week before he was killed.


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    #305
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Are there not garda accusations of willie frazer being a member of a loyalist terrorist group?

    He was refused a gun licence for that exact reason in the North.


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    #306
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    ...and of course the sad thing is that the Love Ulster victims (those murdered by Republicans) have all but been forgotten in all this drama about Willie Frazer's character :(


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    #307
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    ...and of course the sad thing is that the Love Ulster victims (those murdered by Republicans) have all but been forgotten in all this drama about Willie Frazer's character :(

    No more so than the vast majority of the other victims of the conflict/war. We seem to only concentrate on those than can arouse most sensational sympathy, in fact many here exploit victims for sensational purposes.


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    #308
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I'm not talking about those who arouse the most sensational sympathy.... I'm actually thinking of all the ordinary victims of the Troubles from both sides. People who were snuffed out in a flash (or a loud bang)....


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    #309
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    I'm not talking about those who arouse the most sensational sympathy.... I'm actually thinking of all the ordinary victims of the Troubles from both sides. People who were snuffed out in a flash (or a loud bang)....

    'Ordinary' victims...weird term.
    But, yes...most of the victims, the vast majority of them on both sides are largely forgotten.


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    #310
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'Ordinary' victims...weird term.

    Ordinary people on the way to Tesco's or getting into a car who fell victim to a bomb or crossfire. People going about their ordinary lives who fell victim to a an attack of one kind or another (from either side). All victims of the Troubles.


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    #311
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    the dark phantom wrote: »
    I always got a great laugh off his rants

    This. Mad as a box of frogs.The memes were brilliant. Still, may he rot. Campaigns for innocent victims, yet the family homestead was the HQ of the glennane gang!? Good enough for the cûnt if you ask me.


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    #312
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Ordinary people on the way to Tesco's or getting into a car who fell victim to a bomb or crossfire. People going about their ordinary lives who fell victim to a an attack of one kind or another (from either side). All victims of the Troubles.

    Ordinary people maybe...'ordinary' victims I think not.


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    #313
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    ...and of course the sad thing is that the Love Ulster victims (those murdered by Republicans) have all but been forgotten in all this drama about Willie Frazer's character :(

    Did he ever apologise for using them to forward his own agenda?


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    #314
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Did he ever apologise for using them to forward his own agenda?


    ...and to line his own pockets.


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    #315
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Because of people like you, and those on this thread who would condone the 6 members of his family and others being murdered, it is safe to say there will not be a united Ireland for another generation or two at least.

    You haven't a clue about me mate. I'm all for a united Ireland and one that is inclusive of all the people of this island. That's the only way it can work. Frazer was a dangerous individual that fed off the division, fear and hatred that dragged our country through some terrible years. Luckily he did not have much of a mandate for his moronic and provocative actions.


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    #316
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ordinary people maybe...'ordinary' victims I think not.

    Extraordinary?


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    #317
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Extraordinary?

    Francis has more time and sympathy for the paramilitaries who murdered / bombed, than for the victims of these paramilitaries or any of their spokespeople. Says it all.


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    #318
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Francis has more time and sympathy for the paramilitaries who murdered / bombed, than for the victims of these paramilitaries or any of their spokespeople. Says it all.

    You telling lies again Jan?...not surprising.


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    #319
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You telling lies again Jan?...not surprising.

    I never tell lies, Francis. And unlike certain others, I always condemned the paramilitaries on both sides. Others - Not looking at anyone in particular- just condemn the paramilitaries on one side.


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    #320
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I never tell lies, Francis. And unlike certain others, I always condemned the paramilitaries on both sides. Others - Not looking at anyone in particular- just condemn the paramilitaries on one side.

    I don't play the condemnation game at all Jan.

    There should never have been a conflict on this island at all. I do blame those who caused the conflict and those responsible for creating a fair and equal society.

    So you were telling lies....again.


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    #321
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I never tell lies, Francis. .............




    You claimed frazer was never suspected of a crime
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110575123&postcount=249


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    #322
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,923 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You claimed frazer was never suspected of a crime
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110575123&postcount=249

    :) Wilie's PRO slips up again.

    I am not going to participate in janfebmar using another deceased person for her sinister warped agenda. I'm out of this one.


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    #323
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You claimed frazer was never suspected of a crime
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110575123&postcount=249

    If the worst crime he ever committed was obstructing traffic in a public place, then he was a saint compared to some people in SF for example.


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    #324
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    If the worst crime he ever committed was obstructing traffic in a public place, then he was a saint compared to some people in SF for example.




    Evasion. You claimed he was never suspected of a crime. He was suspected of at least two. He was also refused a firearms licence because he was an associate of paramilitarys. He also had to resign from his own charity because of dodgy book keeping.


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    #325
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I don't play the condemnation game at all Jan.

    .

    Except you do. You always condemn the British, the Unionists etc. Like Gerry Adams, you do not play the condemnation game at all, lol. He says he was not in the PpIRA , most people including some people who were in the pIRA think he was. He does not play the condemnation game at all either.


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    #326
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Except you do. You always condemn the British, the Unionists etc. Like Gerry Adams, you do not play the condemnation game at all, lol. He says he was not in the PpIRA , most people including some people who were in the pIRA think he was. He does not play the condemnation game at all either.




    ...all of which is irrelevant in a thread about willie frazer.


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    #327
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    janfebmar wrote: »
    A man is innocent until proven guilty.
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Except you do. You always condemn the British, the Unionists etc. Like Gerry Adams, you do not play the condemnation game at all, lol. He says he was not in the PpIRA , most people including some people who were in the pIRA think he was. He does not play the condemnation game at all either.

    :pac::pac::pac:. The gift that keeps on giving.


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    #328
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Evasion. You claimed he was never suspected of a crime. He was suspected of at least two. He was also refused a firearms licence because he was an associate of paramilitarys. He also had to resign from his own charity because of dodgy book keeping.

    Diversion. All that was gone in to before. Most people in N Ireland would be refused a licence for a handgun, not just Willie Frazer. Gun laws are much stricter in the UK than in America, for example, no bad thing. I am glad they did not give a hand gun licence to Frazer, if they did that they would have to give one to Sinn Fein spokespeople.


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    #329
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Diversion. All that was gone in to before. Most people in N Ireland would be refused a licence for a handgun, not just Willie Frazer. Gun laws are much stricter in the UK than in America, for example, no bad thing. I am glad they did not give a hand gun licence to Frazer, if they did that they would have to give one to Sinn Fein spokespeople.


    But are they all refused because they were associates of loyalist paramilitaries?


    Why did you claim frazer was never suspected of a crime given his arrests and the fact he had to resign from his own charity?


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    #330
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    But are they all refused because they were associates of loyalist paramilitaries?


    Why did you claim frazer was never suspected of a crime given his arrests and the fact he had to resign from his own charity?

    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason : the applicant may have socialised or associated with a paramilitary person at some stage in their past. A reason has to be given for refusing the licence.

    As said before, if obstructing traffic was the worst crime he was ever found guilty of , he was a saint compared to some uni SF.


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    #331
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Hand gun licences are refused to 99% of the population for much the same reason : the applicant may have socialised or associated with a paramilitary person at some stage in their past. A reason has to be given for refusing the licence.


    A source for that please.


    janfebmar wrote: »
    As said before, if obstructing traffic was the worst crime he was ever found guilty of , he was a saint compared to some uni SF.


    You said he'd never been suspected of a crime. He was.


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