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Non national homeless

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  • #62
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    How many bash poor people threads does boards need?

    Maybe we should ask the mods to merge them all?

    Maybe we can have a thread for the deniers too.
    They can live in a world of sunshine , lollipops and everything paid for by someone else with unlimited supply of cash.


  • #63
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    How many bash poor people threads does boards need?

    Maybe we should ask the mods to merge them all?

    Again there is no bashing of anyone ,

    Antedotal claims from yourself yes .

    I referred to your claim of no free housing but 90million of unpaid rents and arrears in social housing would suggest a lot of people have free housing .

    You claimed non nationals don't get on to the housing list the vast majority of housing applicants on fingal county councils housing list are non nationals something around 70% if I remember correctly
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  • #64
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Maybe we can have a thread for the deniers too.
    They can live in a world of sunshine , lollipops and everything paid for by someone else with unlimited supply of cash.

    Don’t you have work to do? Awful lotta free time complaining about this stuff.

    Get back to work! :)


  • #65
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Gatling wrote: »
    Again there is no bashing of anyone ,

    Antedotal claims from yourself yes .

    I referred to your claim of no free housing but 90million of unpaid rents and arrears in social housing would suggest a lot of people have free housing .

    You claimed non nationals don't get on to the housing list the vast majority of housing applicants on fingal county councils housing list are non nationals something around 70% if I remember correctly

    I didn’t claim that. I quoted the articles. Which states the law of the land.
    Non nationals do not go on the housing list.
    You should at least read the article before posting.

    I’d love to see any kind of back up for your 70% of non nationals on fingals waiting list. Your ‘memory’ isn’t facts by the way. Back the post up.


  • #66
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Don’t you have work to do? Awful lotta free time complaining about this stuff.

    Get back to work! :)

    It's Sunday my friend. No work today thankfully. Everyday is Sunday to some.


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  • #67
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    Gatling wrote: »
    Again there is no bashing of anyone ,

    Antedotal claims from yourself yes .

    I referred to your claim of no free housing but 90million of unpaid rents and arrears in social housing would suggest a lot of people have free housing .

    You claimed non nationals don't get on to the housing list the vast majority of housing applicants on fingal county councils housing list are non nationals something around 70% if I remember correctly

    While I don't have exact figures, only anecdotal evidence, Jobstown seems to have a large African community, and I'm fairly confident that most of them are in social housing as the area itself doesn't have a large amount of private houses. I could be wrong and they could all be renting but I doubt it given the area.


  • #68
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Il Fascista wrote: »
    While I don't have exact figures, only anecdotal evidence, Jobstown seems to have a large African community, and I'm fairly confident that's most of them are in social housing as the area itself doesn't have a large amount of private houses. I could be wrong and they could all be renting but I doubt it given the area.

    Jobstown. Ironic


  • #69
    Dude89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Dude89


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Jobstown. Ironic

    Poor and working class area seems be the dumping ground.


  • #70
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's Sunday my friend. No work today thankfully. Everyday is Sunday to some.

    Your full time job here seems to be immigrants dole spongers climate change and housing spongers.

    I don’t know how is that much that pays but I would worry about how much of your headspace it takes up.

    There’s a whole worry. Almost like you have an agenda. Best of luck with it


  • #71
    2Mad2BeMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    There's a moldovan cleaner where I work cleaners are outsourced.
    She works very hard she's only a young girl in mid 20s I'd say.
    She had a child last year and instead of playing the system which alot of young Mammy's do ( I said alot not majority) she came straight back to work after 6months. No doubt she's on a terrible wage but contributes and now has a family to provide for.
    Her husband is also moldovan she met him over here and he works as a cleaner as well.

    Doesn't matter where you are from. There's far more Irish screwing the system then non nationals.
    Sort out the internal wasters first because the internal wasters are the leeches that have been doing it since turning 18 I know a few of them myself.

    1 family which I'm afraid to say but I'm good friends with them due to there son been my best mate.
    They have 12 children oldest is 26 youngest is 3. The father works cash in hand jobs while claiming disability/job seekers since his early 20s he's in his late 40s now.
    The mother never worked a day in her life but thinks she's entitled to everything. She pops kids out to avoid questions from the welfare.
    They must get a couple of grand a month from everything there claiming a month

    Out of 12 children there's 9 who are over 18. Only 1 works since turning 18 the other 8 claim job seekers 6 of the 8 are women 5 of them have children and are claiming homelessness. All to get a free house and benefits for life.
    So this 1 family has cost tax payers with there constant breeding most likely a couple a million over the course of the family's lifes.
    This is just 1 family like this there's many more.

    This needs to be stamped out. It's bat **** crazy.

    For the record I've never reported them because I know them since I was a young child to naive to the ways of social welfare fraud.
    But I'm older now and it annoys the **** outta me.


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  • #72
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Taken from rebuilding Ireland social housing assessment 2018 pdf

    Table 2.9: Nationality (Main Applicant)
    Nationality 2017 2018 Change 2017/2018
    No. of HH % No. of HH % No. of HH %
    Irish Citizen 62,062 72.3 53,611 74.6 -8,451 -13.6
    EEA Citizen 17,228 20.1 13,432 18.7 -3,796 -22.0
    Non EEA Citizen 6,509 7.6 4,815 6.7 -1,694 -26.0
    Of which:
    Permission to remain
    in the State
    5,793 6.8 4,228 5.9 -1,565 -27.0
    Refugee 607 0.7 484 0.7 -123 -20.3
    Subsidiary protection status 109 0.1 103 0.1 -6 -5.5
    TOTAL 85,799 100.0 71,858 100.0 -13,941 -16.2.



    Apologies I claimed 70% of a particular housing list was non national ,it's actually 50% non national made up of 70 different non nationalities

    But yes non nationals do have access to social housing and application to housing lists ,

    I believe just over 50% of applicatiants on housing list are unemployed and solely reliant on social welfare and rent supports such rent supplement ,hap and other schemes
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  • #73
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Non-Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You’re a hero. We need more like you!

    Ps can you just PayPal it to me? That be great thanks :) DM for details :)
    Non-Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    How many bash poor people threads does boards need?

    Maybe we should ask the mods to merge them all?

    Your posts are insufferable and many are just obfuscation and an attempt to derail threads.
    You are now on my ignore list.


  • #74
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Your full time job here seems to be immigrants dole spongers climate change and housing spongers.

    I don’t know how is that much that pays but I would worry about how much of your headspace it takes up.

    There’s a whole worry. Almost like you have an agenda. Best of luck with it


    I posted my reasoning and views on all a while ago. You agreed that they were fair reasoning. Your job seems to be following posters around attacking them rather than making counter points.

    Reported


  • #75
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Your posts are insufferable and many are just obfuscation and an attempt to derail threads.
    You are now on my ignore list.

    Don't ignore. Report it. Otherwise it goes unaddressed


  • #76
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Jobstown. Ironic

    Someone with a sense of humour came up with that name. Or an optimist.


  • #77
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I had to sell my laptop because I had to close my business and couldn’t find work. Now I managed to buy a phone. But go you

    Stop moaning, ffs!


  • #78
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Stop moaning, ffs!

    I’m laughing at the moaners. It’s kind of funny people missed the implied joke in the name. Ah well.
    Back the dem bloody immigints!


  • #79
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Don't ignore. Report it. Otherwise it goes unaddressed

    Will be following this advice in future. Thanks :)


  • #80
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    bookerlover wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/we-have-done-nothing-wrong-a-day-in-the-life-of-a-homeless-family-38260238.html

    This mother at least trying to work and make an effort. But this story shows the reality behind the homeless figures. 56 percent are non national. This woman and the oldest 2 kids are Moldovan. How are they even here. That's not an EU country. So we have to house educate and medically care for this family of 4 where daddy is no longer on the scene. 2 eldest kids also awaiting hip replacements.

    I wonder do these eastern European countries think we are a bunch of eegits. Move to Ireland and hop on the gravy train.

    Your spot on, but be careful you'll be labelled a "racist" or a xenophobe


  • #81
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    Yea but their are own to deal with not the rest of the world problems on top of it. Would I get a council house in Moldova?

    Not a hope of you getting looked after in Moldova. They'd laugh at you


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  • #82
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I’m laughing at the moaners. It’s kind of funny people missed the implied joke in the name. Ah well.
    Back the dem bloody immigints!

    You have shown that you don’t understand how the border with NI works, are you actually in Ireland?


  • #83
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    banie01 wrote: »
    It really doesn't, Ireland has a habitual residence condition for access to social welfare benefits.

    More information on that here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/social_assistance_payments/residency_requirements_for_social_assistance_in_ireland.html

    It's quite surprising to me that often the same people who complain about freeloading immigrants milking out system, are quite often the same people complaining that Irish people returning from abroad can't access benefits for this exact reason.

    I did explain that in my next post. I was not sure how long it is now; I came here from the UK but things have changed since then.

    So a year on and you can have habitual residence access to benefits, but not "off the boat"


  • #84
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    187,000 Irish people emigrated between 2012-2017. No problems. But yeah let’s end free movement. Immigrants coming here are problems.

    That’s some reach.

    How many of those 187,000 left to scrounge off another country. I bet a high percentage that left work and contribute to the country the now call home.


  • #85
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You have shown that you don’t understand how the border with NI works, are you actually in Ireland?

    I do understand. Don’t know where you’re going but lead the way mighty one


  • #86
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    How many of those 187,000 left to scrounge off another country. I bet a high percentage that left work and contribute to the country the now call home.

    Care to back that up with stats?


  • #87
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I do understand. Don’t know where you’re going but lead the way mighty one

    You claimed earlier that ‘you can’t bypass immigration to get into the country’. Do you stand over that claim?


  • #88
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So, if we were to start sending non national homeless back to their country of origin, what is likely to happen to them back there?
    Is there any hope for humane treatment?
    Because I can't sit easy on doing that.

    This too shall pass.



  • #89
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    flazio wrote: »
    So, if we were to start sending non national homeless back to their country of origin, what is likely to happen to them back there?
    Is there any hope for humane treatment?
    Because I can't sit easy on doing that.

    Not our problem! There's no room for compassion for the whole world regardless of what many idealistic people like to think. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the only way our civilization has any hope of lasting.


  • #90
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    flazio wrote: »
    So, if we were to start sending non national homeless back to their country of origin, what is likely to happen to them back there?
    Is there any hope for humane treatment?
    Because I can't sit easy on doing that.

    How much space have you got. There is an unlimited supply


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  • #91
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    flazio wrote: »
    So, if we were to start sending non national homeless back to their country of origin, what is likely to happen to them back there?
    Is there any hope for humane treatment?
    Because I can't sit easy on doing that.

    My father was in the defence forces his whole life.
    His job was to organise getting troops to peace keeping missions all over the place. Charter planes equipment gear etc.
    He then was brought into dept of justice to teach them how to streamline a process. Turned out to be how to get one plane full of deportees supervised making stops along the route rather than one by one deportation at huge expense to the state.

    Sure there are many probably deserved deportation. But a great many more were and still are deported and returned to the terminal dangerous situations you allude to.

    But we’re a Christian country apparently.


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