Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Ropaire wrote: »

Have we played any decent hurling since? Defenders skyed balls out of defence in Derek's time in charge with no one under it to win it. They still sky the ball down on top of small forwards giving them no chance to win it, it's like it's muscle memory at this stage and it'll take a bit of coaching to get it out of them, coaching it would appear fanning hasn't been able to give. Slapping ball straight up the line is bread and butter to defenders and gives the forward no hope of winning it, which seems to be the default plan. There's plenty to be gotten from those lads with the right supply.

This is fanciful. He's had enough time to put some sort of stamp on how they play. They look completely lost. No plan, no focus, no ideas.

_blaaz wrote: »

Now now....i have no interest in being in court for slander....but 10 pts up with a reserve team...bring on 1st team starters and lose.match,


Work.that one out for yourself





Nearly never won fcuk all....galway were 8 to 10 pts better than us that day in the all ireland and if had any interest in getting goals....inspite of this much vaunted system opened.us up at least 4 times and shouldve.converted those chamces.....its all the one anyway he had lost tge dressing room.with several.players walking off the panel and refusing to play.for him.....wanting him.back is a kick.in the face for player welfare and would prob see a strike here

Your implication is clear. And shameful.

Is there an ignore function on this thing?

Ropaire wrote: »

What did I say thays fanciful?

The silly stuff about muscle memory and Fanning not being able to train it out of them. A managers job is to give clear direction to his players. If he cant do that what's the point in him?

Ropaire wrote: »

Have you ever played hurling out of curiosity?

Not sure of the relevance but yes. You gonna start asking how many games for the county next or something?

That isnt an argument.

Muscle memory my arse. If Derek’s influence can’t be trained out then why could Sean Power’s? Total rubbish and a complete contradiction.

Ropaire wrote: »

Maybe muscle memory isn't the term, but possession drills on what to do when you're under pressure which becomes second nature. Not sure Sean power had much influence, he just let lads off to play.

Your argument doesn't stand up. Under McGrath we routinely won scrappy contested ball on the ground. We lose all those now. If the conditioned behaviourism was still in players then we'd do the same but we don't.

Where to start about today? I took my father in law with me and he commented on the warm up that he would lambast the camogie team he coaches for some of the carry on in the warm up. Shambolic. Tactically an absolute shambles from the very first minute, players not communicating with each other, no cohesion, no aggression, no heart, no bottle. It was like a home game for Limerick, the Waterford crowd were embarrassing from start to finish and for the third week in a row it mirrored what we saw on the pitch.

Today was about restoring some pride and taking the battle to Limerick. There’s clearly something very much amiss in the camp whether that’s between the players themselves, players vs. management or a mix of both but something is definitely going on. Im totally fed up of this now. I’ve been going to Waterford games since 1990 and this up there with the worst of days for me. I genuinely don’t know why I bother dragging myself up and down the road from Cork for League and Championship games every year when this kind of crap is tolerated and accepted by the Co. Board.

Ropaire wrote: »

Its easy to win rucks when you have half tour team running into them rugby style.

I miss those days

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0602/1053158-donal-og-cusack-atrocious-deise-need-a-major-review/

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The worst thing about today or may be the best thing is it shows up just how broken Waterford GAA actually is . From football to underage hurling and senior in both codes . Huge change is needed and needs to be embraced . The eastern western thing was always a hindrance. Inept people at county board level. It's up to club , club members and players to be more proactive and stop sending the same old cretins to represent them . Old men who thrive on tradition and the trappings of power and and they can't deal with any form of criticism. A chairman who is paranoid a laughing stock in and out of the county. It filters from the top down. Poor juvenile structures and coaching. Everything done on an ad hoc basis. Poor facilities. Lack of ability to get sponsorship. The whipping boys of the Munster council. Fanning was the 4th choice manager after Derek left . They couldn't secure their first choices . No ambition , no leadership , no professionalism. It all filters down from the top. Time for clubs and especially club members and players to say enough is enough . We need to get all the basics right .

This is the best and most factual post written on here over the last 3/4 weeks. It mirrors a lot of what people have been saying but it actually hit the nail on the head. A few of us have been accused of having an agenda against the board and were told to shut up and mind our own business by certain people. Well the wheel always turns and people are seeing the results of poor officialdom over the last 15yrs in particular. We’ve certain people involved in boards/committees who are career officials and despite the fact that they might think they are doing what’s right for Waterford gaa they are doing more harm then good. Complete change is required from juvenile to adult level, not only at board level but also at club championship levels. Anybody that has served more then 10yrs on a board or committees need to step down now for the good of Waterford gaa( this includes the same old delegates that clubs send in). There’s nobody questioning their commitment to Waterford gaa and yes they have served Waterford well but their ideas and intentions are too outdated and not what is required to help Waterford move on and recover.

Pat o Shea has got involved with a juvenile football review committee we now need someone to get involved in juvenile hurling to perform something similar.

Ps just to let people know also that Tipperary beat our u-20 footballers by 6-22 to 0-1 on weds night in the south Leinster league they are entered in and Wexford reportedly beat them by 7-24 to 1-4 last Saturday. Only 12 players turned up for the trials that were organized and some of the selectors didn’t even turn up for the trial as they didn’t agree it was the right thing to do. They were due to play Carlow on Saturday and I haven’t heard any report on it yet

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0602/1053158-donal-og-cusack-atrocious-deise-need-a-major-review/

Some lads on here wont want to hear it but Donal is spot on.

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The worst thing about today or may be the best thing is it shows up just how broken Waterford GAA actually is . From football to underage hurling and senior in both codes . Huge change is needed and needs to be embraced . The eastern western thing was always a hindrance. Inept people at county board level. It's up to club , club members and players to be more proactive and stop sending the same old cretins to represent them . Old men who thrive on tradition and the trappings of power and and they can't deal with any form of criticism. A chairman who is paranoid a laughing stock in and out of the county. It filters from the top down. Poor juvenile structures and coaching. Everything done on an ad hoc basis. Poor facilities. Lack of ability to get sponsorship. The whipping boys of the Munster council. Fanning was the 4th choice manager after Derek left . They couldn't secure their first choices . No ambition , no leadership , no professionalism. It all filters down from the top. Time for clubs and especially club members and players to say enough is enough . We need to get all the basics right .

This exactly. Wasn’t going to post it here today as it’s really a story for another day.

But reform is needed, full root and branch review. Top to bottom. The performances of our senior teams is a reflection of years of mismanagement, poor administration and a county board committee from a prehistoric era. All is not lost as far as the current crop of players is concerned, hopefully a new management team that are fit for the job can be sourced and have us competitive in the next few years again. But what about the future, 10/20 years? What will be the legacy of the current administration?

Something similar to what’s going on with the FAI is needed as were falling light years behind other counties

I’m still shocked by what I witnessed yesterday. Standing on the terrace watching Waterford attack the goal we were behind in the first half was an embarrassment and having Limerick fans beside us laughing at us 20 minutes into the game is a new low point for me.

Behind the goal we were able to see the Waterford plan, or lack thereof, in full view. It was non existent. No movement from the forwards, no attempt to make a move for a player delivering in any balls, no guts. Contrast that to Limerick in the second half where they had three players in their full forward line and each time one of their backs got a ball in his hand it triggered the full forward line into action - making runs, dragging their marker out of position, finding space. Waterford did the complete opposite in the first half and it was demoralising watching Maurice Shanahan standing still waiting for a ball to drop on him only for it to land 10 yards away from him every time. I lost count of the amount of times in the first half where there was one forward within 25 yards of the Limerick goal and a ball just came sailing over into acres of space or out over the endline. It was brain dead stuff from start to finish and you wouldn’t see it happening in an underage game.

I have to ask the question, how bad is the standard of training that the senior panel are operating at? There’s multiple All Stars and a hurler of the year on the panel, what goes on at training if this is how the team comes prepared for a game to save their season and more importantly any bit of pride they have in themselves? They look unfit, way underconditioned for the cut and thrust of Championship hurling and mentally they look lost. An inter county team warm up should be high intensity yet for the last three games Waterford’s has been club level challenge match stuff. Awful first touch, misplaced passes to teammates from 15 yards away in a straight line, no intensity. To be honest, they looked like lads that just wanted to turn up and get the match out of the way so they can move on as quickly as possible.

Fanning has looked lost from the moment the ball was thrown in against Clare. Baffling team selections, even more baffling substations and a complete lack of in game reaction from him or the selectors. He’s clearly out of his depth and I was reluctant to put the boot into him but after yesterday I think the whole lot of them are fair game. Yesterday cost me €150 to attend the match and the way I’m feeling at the moment I’d nearly write to the Co. Board and ask them to refund me. For nearly 30 years I’d have paid any money and gone anywhere to watch Waterford play but next Saturday they’re playing on my doorstep and I won’t be there. I can’t put myself through another performance like what we’ve seen the last three weeks. I’ll take a break and come back in January when I’ve calmed down. That’s if there’s a team to support in 2020.

One more thing, I can see a reaction from the management, the board or the media next Saturday when there will be about 500 Waterford people in Cork. That supporters have abandoned the team etc. it won’t bother me in the slightest if there is. I’ve never before looked at a fixture and said I’m not going but next Saturday is different. I’m always of the opinion that the players deserve respect and support no matter what but after yesterday I think respect goes out the window for all concerned. Imagine a teenager with a bit of ability and ambition to play intercounty hurling for Waterford watching that yesterday? This season will have consequences for years to come and that’s not an exaggeration. We are in the **** big time baby.

Lads, I have read all the post on here since the end of the game yesterday and I can feel the hurt in what people are writing. We all want Waterford to succeed and we all know the problems but how many of you are prepared to do something about it? Personally I am going to bring a motion to my club to end the East/West divide and Hopefully it will be brought as a motion to the County Convention. Is there anyone else here willing to do the same, it will be the first step in the radical change that is needed. Underage hurling in Waterford is not going well, I was at the Ballyduff U10 tournament on Saturday and Sars from Cork showed us what U10's should look like. We need to be honest and come up to the standard before we can contemplate exceeding it. As an underage coach all's I ask for is support from the administrators of our sport. My wish list is as follows
1. Please organise referees for our games and stop putting it back on coaches to take on this responsibility.
2. please give us all county leagues where our kids can play more games at a level which will develop their skills. We have 7 schedules league games for U10's not enough.
3. Please create more local tournaments like the Ballyduff Tournament so that the kids can get excited about playing other clubs, we are playing the same teams all the time!!
4. Promote the games on Social media, the parents of my kids all use Social media and when they see their children mentioned on our notes the reaction is very positive, the more we promote our games in this manner the more importance they attach to it. We need to think differently and make our games more exciting for kids to play.
5. Let us play tournaments in Walsh Park and Fraher field, once a year is not enough.
6. Invest 50% of your budget into the schools and then you can talk about all Irelands.

Trust me the talent is there but it needs to be harnessed.

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Lads, I have read all the post on here since the end of the game yesterday and I can feel the hurt in what people are writing. We all want Waterford to succeed and we all know the problems but how many of you are prepared to do something about it? Personally I am going to bring a motion to my club to end the East/West divide and Hopefully it will be brought as a motion to the County Convention. Is there anyone else here willing to do the same, it will be the first step in the radical change that is needed. Underage hurling in Waterford is not going well, I was at the Ballyduff U10 tournament on Saturday and Sars from Cork showed us what U10's should look like. We need to be honest and come up to the standard before we can contemplate exceeding it. As an underage coach all's I ask for is support from the administrators of our sport. My wish list is as follows
1. Please organise referees for our games and stop putting it back on coaches to take on this responsibility.
2. please give us all county leagues where our kids can play more games at a level which will develop their skills. We have 7 schedules league games for U10's not enough.
3. Please create more local tournaments like the Ballyduff Tournament so that the kids can get excited about playing other clubs, we are playing the same teams all the time!!
4. Promote the games on Social media, the parents of my kids all use Social media and when they see their children mentioned on our notes the reaction is very positive, the more we promote our games in this manner the more importance they attach to it. We need to think differently and make our games more exciting for kids to play.
5. Let us play tournaments in Walsh Park and Fraher field, once a year is not enough.
6. Invest 50% of your budget into the schools and then you can talk about all Irelands.

Trust me the talent is there but it needs to be harnessed.

Brilliant. This is what is required. My only advice for you is that once your club accepts the motion regarding west/east ask your club can you go to the meeting to deliver the motion as the delegates clubs are sending are strong enough and don’t speak up

thesaturdayman wrote: »

I’m nearly sure the clubs have 48 votes, but officers between east west county board na nog referees coaching and games Munster council etc have about 40 votes & you need a 2/3 majority to pass anything, making it Chinese democracy.

Turkeys will not vote for christmas

So basically it’s a dictatorship within county boards so and the clique that’s presently there will keep sharing the jobs amongst themselves

As bad as it was yesterday, think it was bad form for Dónal Óg to single out Aussie last night. Yea he was poor but so were the majority of his teammates. Pinning blame on the lad for the game when he only played half of it. Didn't go on and single out any of the Clare players afterwards despite their result. Unnecessary and a bit too personal for my liking.