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    #242
    Reati
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Its ok having the odd immigrant in a Gaelscoil as long as they integrate to the Gaelscoil way of life.

    :eyeroll: obvious troll is obvious


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    #243
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So Irish people want to retain their Irish identity, what's wrong with that!
    Labelling it as racist/xenophobic is wrong, very wrong.

    No I believe it's sectarian in nature. Look at those SF idiots up north making a Stormont issue out of the Irish language.

    Pump all the money wasted on the dead language into hurling, handball, football, camogie, dancing, music etc. Promoting a language that only 'true' Irish people speak only comes across as secretive and sectarian in nature.

    Please don't patronise us with the odd example of a black boy playing hurling and speaking as gaeilge to prove it's all inclusive. I am hugely involved in the Galway GAA scene and it certainly isn't. I have seen many supporters very uncomfortable with 'foreigners' playing Gaelic games, especially in rural clubs. They can't help it - they tend to be older and religious too.

    Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.


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    #244
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Those people are definitely out there. Sad part is they have probably never left their own county never mind the country.
    They’re not representing the ireland I know In any way whatsoever. The ignorance and stupidity of it is appalling but thankfully they’re a dying breed.
    We beat them in marriage equality we beat them by repealing the 8th it’s not that ireland anymore and their hate and racism have no place in this ireland.


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    #245
    Snow Garden
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Those people are definitely out there. Sad part is they have probably never left their own county never mind the country.
    They’re not representing the ireland I know In any way whatsoever. The ignorance and stupidity of it is appalling but thankfully they’re a dying breed.
    We beat them in marriage equality we beat them by repealing the 8th it’s not that ireland anymore and their hate and racism have no place in this ireland.

    Yeah but they are passing on their prejudices too. It's just that the current generation of parents are better able to hide their feelings. Again it is my perception but this Irish revival is a another way of staying separate to the 'new' Irish. I am all for Irish identity but I also think Irish identity can change.
    Jaysus we are only here for 75 off years, far more important things than identity. Now go away you freaks, I want to watch the hurling. ;)


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    #246
    ted1
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    If I am being honest, I think the whole Irish language obsession is coming from people who want to differentiate themselves from the influx of immigrants over the past 20 years. There is definitely a racist/xenophobic element to it - especially the Gaelscoils.

    That’s just Bull****

    I sent mine to one as it is the best school around and feeds into a good gaelcolaiste that’s free. There’s not many good free secondary schools in south Dublin.


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    #247
    Stop moaning ffs
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    ted1 wrote: »
    That’s just Bull****

    Yeah there’s a Gemma o doolallee level of stupid in that one alright


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    #248
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Dead language? Yeah right. To some maybe

    https://twitter.com/unakavanagh/status/1135118828361461766?s=21


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    #249
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Dead language? Yeah right.

    A few old videos or books, which few will ever read, and which were probably made with "funding" or handouts, do not prove anything. How many books / magazines / newspapers do people ever part with their hard earned own money for?


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    #250
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    A few old videos or books, which few will ever read, and which were probably made with "funding" or handouts, do not prove anything. How many books / magazines / newspapers do people ever part with their hard earned own money for?

    Clearly loads do. You have some serious hate in you for ireland. Why are you even here?


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    #251
    steddyeddy
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    A few old videos or books, which few will ever read, and which were probably made with "funding" or handouts, do not prove anything. How many books / magazines / newspapers do people ever part with their hard earned own money for?

    J at least it's not as bad as Ulster Scotts. A "language" with no difference to English.


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    #252
    Snow Garden
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Clearly loads do. You have some serious hate in you for ireland. Why are you even here?

    QED.

    It will be soon time to expel non Irish speakers :D


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    #253
    Reati
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    J at least it's not as bad as Ulster Scotts. A "language" with no difference to English.

    I know your making a joke but I've a Scots Gaelige kids book that was delivered by mistake. It's incredible how different it is to Irish Gaeilge. I'd not understand a word they say though the accent doesn't help!


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    #254
    Reati
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    A few old videos or books, which few will ever read, and which were probably made with "funding" or handouts, do not prove anything. How many books / magazines / newspapers do people ever part with their hard earned own money for?

    36 euro yesterday. About 18 during the week. Oh 12 euro, a week or two before as Cluiche na Corónach was on sale.

    Someone must be making coin somewhere...


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    #255
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Clearly loads do. You have some serious hate in you for ireland.

    I love Ireland, it's the Irish language which is the topic of this discussion and it was beaten in to me at school. What a waste of time and effort and taxpayers money Irish is in this country


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    #256
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    I love Ireland, it's the Irish language which is the topic of this discussion and it was beaten in to me at school. What a waste of time and effort and taxpayers money Irish is in this country
    Only Irish was beaten into you, did the teachers not bother beating English, Maths & history etc into you so


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    #257
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Reati wrote: »
    Show me the figures! You don't get to toss out 11billion and walk away. The breakdown is online and you're disingenuous to state a significant slice is on Irish only.

    I haven't been able to find your €48m figure online anywhere, but this article suggests that €67.5m of the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht budget is spent on promotion of the Irish language. This figure takes no account of the amount spent on the language under the Dept of Education budget. I don't think that there is a subject-by-subject breakdown the this dept's budget (at primary level, for sure). But your claim that the only cost associated with the Irish language is €48m, without taking into account that a portion of the separate DoE budget is also spent on the language, is completely disingenuous.


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    #258
    janfebmar
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Only Irish was beaten into you, did the teachers not bother beating English, Maths & history etc into you so

    Let those who want to study Irish language as a hobby do so. All other school subjects were of use. I never heard Irish spoken (Apart from a cuppa focail) since leaving school, which was many years ago. It is a dead language


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    #259
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Let those who want to study Irish language as a hobby do so. All other school subjects were of use. I never heard Irish spoken (Apart from a cuppa focail) since leaving school, which was many years ago. It is a dead language
    You didn't answer the question about the beatings..


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    #260
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Let those who want to study Irish language as a hobby do so. All other school subjects were of use. I never heard Irish spoken (Apart from a cuppa focail) since leaving school, which was many years ago. It is a dead language
    You didn't answer the question about the beatings..

    Not aimed at me, I know, bit l answer it as I was in the sane boat.

    No, they didn't.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #261
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Let those who want to study Irish language as a hobby do so. All other school subjects were of use. I never heard Irish spoken (Apart from a cuppa focail) since leaving school, which was many years ago. It is a dead language

    You don’t use It so it’s a dead language?
    That some serious self centered myopia right there


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    #262
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You don’t use It so it’s a dead language?
    Virtually nobody else uses it, despite the huge amount of time, effort and money spent on it, so that is what makes it a dead language.


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    #263
    janfebmar
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You didn't answer the question about the beatings..

    Irish was beat in to me at school. We all knew once we left school it would be of no further use and we were right. Them were the days.


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    #264
    Igotadose
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Virtually nobody else uses it, despite the huge amount of time, effort and money spent on it, so that is what makes it a dead language.

    Sigh. Proof by blatant assertion. "I say Virtually nobody else...' - uhh, who is this else?

    Friday night at the local pub with the Comortas Gaelige running locally, place was packed with young people. The minority were speaking English. Had to be 50+ there, all speaking Irish.

    Though I did hear someone ask for the Irish for "Relegation" in one conversation.


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    #265
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Is there an Irish language section on boards, or better still an Irish language version of boards.ie? Why not get 100% grant and set one up?


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    #266
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Let those who want to study Irish language as a hobby do so. All other school subjects were of use. I never heard Irish spoken (Apart from a cuppa focail) since leaving school, which was many years ago. It is a dead language

    You don’t use It so it’s a dead language?
    That some serious self centered myopia right there


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    #267
    branie2
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    It's a pity there's no voice output for Irish on Google Translate


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    #268
    Del.Monte
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Clearly loads do. You have some serious hate in you for ireland. Why are you even here?

    Yeah, anybody who doesn't like your version of being Irish should **** off - very reasonable suggestion. :rolleyes:

    ****



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    #269
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Yeah, anybody who doesn't like your version of being Irish should **** off - very reasonable suggestion. :rolleyes:

    never said that. Or implied it.


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    #270
    skooterblue2
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    Johnny Jukebox wrote: »
    Beaten into me by a collection of ideologues and left a lifelong bitter taste.

    There is a way to teach cultural heritage but terrorizing children isn't one of them.

    Haven't spoken a word since June 1980 and actively encourage my own kids to avoid.

    Gospel!
    Its also questionable about who they let teach. I had a teacher who got a political appointment (He was someones nephew in Kerry and no school between Kilkenny and Kerry wanted him). Bloody loon took time away from the REAL subjects (Maths and English) so everyone could do "Onorocha".

    Finally someone got sense and paid him to retire early after a court case.


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    #271
    Reati
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    I haven't been able to find your €48m figure online anywhere, but this article suggests that €67.5m of the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht budget is spent on promotion of the Irish language. This figure takes no account of the amount spent on the language under the Dept of Education budget. I don't think that there is a subject-by-subject breakdown the this dept's budget (at primary level, for sure). But your claim that the only cost associated with the Irish language is €48m, without taking into account that a portion of the separate DoE budget is also spent on the language, is completely disingenuous.

    You didn't try very hard then did you. Attached the figures for you direct from the government website.

    Anyway, given your unable or unwilling to work out numbers for education (more proof if you ask me maths is clearly thought badly in schools).

    Let me help you out.

    3.69 billion is the cost of teachers wages (excluding any extras they might get for subbing etc) in both primary and secondary. I'm been nice including secondary as most secondary teachers don't teach Irish.

    Let's divide that by 1/8 as that's around the time spent teaching Irish and we get 461 million in wages if all teachers in primary and secondary were to teach Irish.

    As we know, that's not true in secondary so let's do the numbers for just primary which is 303 million.

    So we're up to 351 million. Still well short of a billion. Even if we include the secondary figures, still well short.

    So let's get to the next part of the debate (God its almost like I've heard every argument here a BILLION times before). We should remove Irish from schools and spend the money else where. It's a waste.

    Cool, Should we make the school day shorter by 3.5hrs a week, pay the teachers less or fork out to have all the teachers upskilled in another subject? Let's not forget the Irish teachers in secondary, do we fire them? We'd only have to replace them with teachers of the other subject. Those wages arent some magic pot of gold that can be rerouted somewhere else.

    Hence why I use the 48 million figure as it's direct government spend on the Irish langauge.


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