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    #182
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You can’t blame the language on someone judging you for not liking it. Fvck em.

    I went to a Gaelscoil for secondary. Not having any Irish. Not the brightest idea.
    I had to learn French and German starting first year through a second language I didn’t know.
    They were both taught through Irish. As was everything except English.
    I was fluent in conversational Irish by the end of first year.
    I still have no idea what’s going on in French or German but I can ask for directions to the train station or mayors house if I’m lost on Germany :)

    And mein kuli ist kapput

    Me and my classmate day one of German in first year thought this was the funniest thing. Also the only thing I remember about learning German.

    Still have my Irish though.

    I don’t understand the bolded bit!


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    #183
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I don’t understand the bolded bit!

    It’s not the fault of the language/you can’t dislike the language, because people gave you crap for not enjoying the learning of it


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    #184
    whisky_galore
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    It’s not the fault of the language/you can’t dislike the language, because people gave you crap for not enjoying the learning of it

    What?

    The language is fine. I choose not to speak it because I have fcuk all use for it. I couldn't care less if it sinks or swims. At least I don't have the "shur wouldn't it be lovely if I could speak it" attitude of so many on here. These people are in hopes that others would learn it for them, or the govt would "do something", i.e. fire more money at the problem so by some miracle it would be spoken again by one and all and we'd all live happily ever after. Tbh this is just sheer laziness if they actually wish to retain the language.

    I used it as a means to an end, to pass a set of exams, like many other people.
    Languages have become extinct before and I don't recall anyone dying on account of it.
    If you like it and speak it, good for you. It's just not my bag and others may feel similarly for whatever reason.


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    #185
    Potential-Monke
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    Looking back at school, I would have much preferred to learn anything other than Irish and French. I was not great at them, and I've never used French since. I used a bit of Irish to pass the exam in the Garda college, but haven't used it since that day (2007). I'm currently using Duolingo to learn Japanese, and I've only done about 2 hours in total, and I already feel like I've learned more than the 5 years in school learning Irish and French. Interesting fact (according to Duolingo), there are more people learning Irish on Duolingo than there are native Irish speakers.


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    #186
    Stop moaning ffs
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    What?

    The language is fine. I choose not to speak it because I have fcuk all use for it. I couldn't care less if it sinks or swims. At least I don't have the "shur wouldn't it be lovely if I could speak it" attitude of so many on here. These people are in hopes that others would learn it for them, or the govt would "do something", i.e. fire more money at the problem so by some miracle it would be spoken again by one and all and we'd all live happily ever after. Tbh this is just sheer laziness if they actually wish to retain the language.

    I used it as a means to an end, to pass a set of exams, like many other people.
    Languages have become extinct before and I don't recall anyone dying on account of it.
    If you like it and speak it, good for you. It's just not my bag and others may feel similarly for whatever reason.

    I’m not saying you must learn it or you must encourage the learning of it.
    That achieves nothing. Nobody cares about what myself or you thinks.

    I am saying imagine the people of Ireland were as enagaged in Irish as they are with the premiership or love island or X factor or any amount of bull**** we’d be all better off.


    It’s embarrasing we don’t engage with the heart of our culture and instead are addicted brain dead zombies to the brain dead nonsense that comes from Britain.


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    #187
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Looking back at school, I would have much preferred to learn anything other than Irish and French. I was not great at them, and I've never used French since. I used a bit of Irish to pass the exam in the Garda college, but haven't used it since that day (2007). I'm currently using Duolingo to learn Japanese, and I've only done about 2 hours in total, and I already feel like I've learned more than the 5 years in school learning Irish and French. Interesting fact (according to Duolingo), there are more people learning Irish on Duolingo than there are native Irish speakers.

    The times I think confirmed this.
    There are more Irish speakers around the world of different nationalities that can speak Irish than there are people in Ireland than can speak Irish.


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    #188
    steddyeddy
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    I like Irish and want to relearn it but I find a lot of the fluent speakers, particularly from the west of Ireland aren't the most encouraging. Myself and my other half were learning it together but in a Irish speaking meet up a few of the country's western inhabitants just seemed to be there to criticise people speaking it wrong or with a different dialect.


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    #189
    _blaaz
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I like Irish and want to relearn it but I find a lot of the fluent speakers, particularly from the west of Ireland aren't the most encouraging. Myself and my other half were learning it together but in a Irish speaking meet up a few of the country's western inhabitants just seemed to be there to criticise people speaking it wrong or with a different dialect.

    Come to an rinn


    Irelands smallest but bestest gaeltacht!


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    #190
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    If you’re so easily upset about someones enthusiasm for their heritage but you have time to complain about hating it in the internet, well


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    #191
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    It’s not the fault of the language/you can’t dislike the language, because people gave you crap for not enjoying the learning of it

    This sentence hurts my brain matter.

    I did not particularly like the language itself. I had some good teachers. Why do you think people can’t dislike a language?

    Oh and I don’t watch X Factor, Love Island or football.


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    #192
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    The Irish figure is definitely more aspirational than based in reality, and I suspect that Welsh figure is, too.

    As someone who speaks Irish fluently, I have used the language on a couple of dozen occasions in the 15 years since I left school (mainly for talking smack about people while with other Irish people abroad), and I think I have heard it while out and about in Ireland fewer than 10 times.
    I lived in North Wales for about a year back in the 1980s, Welsh was widely spoken by a minority of people, my best guess would be about 15% in that area which was close to the English border. In other areas it was far more widely spoken.


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    #193
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    TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »
    It's passed on! This language is no more! It has ceased to be! 'It's expired and gone to meet its maker! 'It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's kicked the bucket, its shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-LANGUAGE!!
    the Norwegian blue version.


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    #194
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    This sentence hurts my brain matter.

    I did not particularly like the language itself. I had some good teachers. Why do you think people can’t dislike a language?

    Oh and I don’t watch X Factor, Love Island or football.

    Wasn’t directed at you.

    Just the rampant unregulated anti Irish spin bots that infect boards and are somehow allowed away with it every single time


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    #195
    whisky_galore
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I’m not saying you must learn it or you must encourage the learning of it.
    That achieves nothing. Nobody cares about what myself or you thinks.

    I am saying imagine the people of Ireland were as enagaged in Irish as they are with the premiership or love island or X factor or any amount of bull**** we’d be all better off.


    It’s embarrasing we don’t engage with the heart of our culture and instead are addicted brain dead zombies to the brain dead nonsense that comes from Britain.

    Embarrassing for who? Oh right, just yourself.

    Our culture consists not just of language. Again, why does language seem to trump other aspects of our culture for you? Explain how it's the "heart" of our culture, and not music, dance, sport, literature ?

    Ironic username is ironic btw.


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    #196
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Wasn’t directed at you.

    Just the rampant unregulated anti Irish spin bots that infect boards and are somehow allowed away with it every single time

    Are they breaking forum rules?


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    #197
    _blaaz
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Embarrassing for who? Oh right, just yourself.

    Our culture consists not just of language. Again, why does language seem to trump other aspects of our culture for you? Explain how it's the "heart" of our culture, and not music, dance, sport, literature ?

    Ironic username is ironic btw.

    For someone who claims to be neutral and not care about whether language survives or not.....you spend an inordinate amount of time running it down and attacking anyone who enjoys it :pac:


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    #198
    ghostfacekilla
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    One of it's major hurdles is the fact that most of the dialects can't understand each other due to the evolution of the language over time.
    It's One of the top ten oldest languages in the world that is still spoken with hebrew at number one. It would be a shame if we let it die, from a cultural aspect.
    I spent over 18yrs living in a Gaeltacht and the youth have abandoned the place due to a lack of investment by the government. So with emigration, the language dies with it.


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    #199
    Reati
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Come to an rinn


    Irelands smallest but bestest gaeltacht!

    Is aobhionn liom an rinn! Daoine álainn síos ann.


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    #200
    Hamsterchops
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    Is aobhionn liom an rinn! Daoine álainn síos ann.
    According to Google translate ......
    "I love the tip! Beautiful people down there"


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    #201
    janfebmar
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff.

    It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.

    Sad thing is the government and all their departments are still wasting billions on a language nobody speaks.


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    #202
    branie2
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    I was given an exemption from Irish, as I had been to a special school where we didn't learn the language before I went into mainstream education


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    #203
    Sardonicat
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    branie2 wrote: »
    I was given an exemption from Irish, as I had been to a special school where we didn't learn the language before I went into mainstream education
    Is that standard across all special schools, Branie, do you know?


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    #204
    branie2
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    I don't rightly know


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    #205
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff.

    It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.

    Out of interest, what specifically are they spending this time learning? Not counting stuff they'd be learning anyway?

    Saying that it's a waste of time and getting your kids excpetions is no different than forcing kids to learn it.
    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I’d blame the teaching and method. Any good teacher can make the most boring subject exciting and worth learning.
    Irish certainly doesn’t have anything going for it as it’s taught now or previously.

    I mean Peig


    Ffs what’s an awful idea

    More the syallabus.

    Problem is, it's ultimately a school subject and not a language. And as such, the main reason for learning it is to get points on a college application.
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Sad thing is the government and all their departments are still wasting billions on a language nobody speaks.

    "Nobody"..?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #206
    Atlantic Dawn
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    The current curriculam needs to be taken 200 miles west of Black Head and dumped, anyone associated with the support or creation of it should be never allowed have any involvement whatsoever in teaching of the Irish language as they have bloody destroyed it, pure absolute thrash, Mahogany Gas Pipe my hole.


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    #207
    jimbobaloobob
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The current curriculam needs to be taken 200 miles west of Black Head and dumped, anyone associated with the support or creation of it should be never allowed have any involvement whatsoever in teaching of the Irish language as they have bloody destroyed it, pure absolute thrash, Mahogany Gas Pipe my hole.


    Which curriculum are you talking about? Primary, Secondary? The new language curriculum or the 1999 one?


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    #208
    Atlantic Dawn
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    jimbobaloobob wrote: »
    Which curriculum are you talking about? Primary, Secondary? The new language curriculum or the 1999 one?


    1999 is after my time in school but before that the teachings were pure absolute fooking thrash by people not able to converse with people who could speak the language, worst teachings on the face of the earth by people, all concerned with it should have been charged with crimes against Irish teachings. They utter destroyed teachings of the language, utter utter class of war criminals in this category.


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    #209
    ted1
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff.

    It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.

    I question your logic. what other subjects are they learning when not in Irish class ?

    My kids go to a GaelScoil, so they learn all subjects through Irish and nothing suffers. In fact they actually benefit as reflected by leaving cert results.

    We’re in Spain for a month and they have gone to a few classes and picked up Spainish pretty good as a third language as languages are easy for them.


    I hope your kids never want to be a primary school teacher.


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    #210
    jimbobaloobob
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    1999 is after my time in school but before that the teachings were pure absolute fooking thrash by people not able to converse with people who could speak the language, worst teachings on the face of the earth by people, all concerned with it should have been charged with crimes against Irish teachings. They utter destroyed teachings of the language, utter utter class of war criminals in this category.


    1999 is since my time too but theres a new curriculum being introduced i can see its pros and cons. I cant speak for your experiences but i didnt go to school in an irish speaking area but learnt it, enjoyed it and have it as second language as a result. I think it was also a catalyst for enjoying other languages too.



    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff.

    It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.


    i know of alot of parents who have done this to then be disgruntled when they realise that alot of state jobs are off limits, university requirements for course entry have similar issues. But i suppose if you know the right professionals youll figure that one too!


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    #211
    ted1
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    I’ve been spending a lot of time in the middle east lately as have begun picking up
    Arabic. The structure of the language is very similar to Irish. So much more than any other language I’ve experienced

    The greeting is

    God be with you : dia duit
    God and the prophet be with you, and so on.


    The name Ali is the equivalent of Son or “O(meaning from)”, like Ali Ted1 is O’Ted1


    And it continues through out the language


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