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Local Elections 2019

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  • #242
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,730 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

    Or is this a new thing for them?


  • #243
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,939 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    McIlvanny the Monaghan councillor from Prime Time probably got re elected but there was only 7 candidates running in a 6 seater I think.

    O'Donnell in Donegal looks to have topped the poll with 25% of the initial tallies, refused to give an interview to rte who are 'on a witchhunt'.

    Some people...


  • #244
    Sierra Oscar
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

    Or is this a new thing for them?

    It's similar to 2014. Certainly more coverage on social media but that's not too surprising.


  • #245
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    knipex wrote: »
    You mean like these ones ??

    https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/insulation-grants/

    Tell me, can the homes that are in most need of upgraded insulation avail of these grants realistically?

    In most cases you need significant money yourself, as the grants only cover part of the work.

    So we have a aystem where the poor are taxed with the rest of us to subsidise peope who have money to make their home better.


    Tell me, how is a 5k grant on a luxury vehicle benifit the average person?
    Do you think all these rich people, who buy these cars, would not do it without the grant?
    Will the sale of luxury cars save the planet, because I can tell you, before electric vehicles become affordable to all, the grants will be gone, and the free charging yeah only the few elite early adapters will get that also from our taxes.

    Our carbon taxes currely are Subsidising the rich only and not an effective way to really target emissions reduction.


  • #246
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,219 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

    Or is this a new thing for them?

    Locals only come around every 5 years and that is a long time in technology

    So I'd say RTE can keep enhancing their local election coverage in leaps and bounds compared to the previous local election.


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  • #247
    awec
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    There's a lot of wild crying that green policies are all about tax. Educate yourselves people.

    My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.


  • #248
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    awec wrote: »
    My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.

    Greens will fail miserably once again. They have no cohesive plan and we will now see this.


  • #249
    Blueshoe
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    awec wrote: »
    My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.

    Mine is full of people who just want free social housing and handouts. They don't fear any new tax because it won't affect them.


  • #250
    Dirkziggler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Dirkziggler


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Mine is full of people who just want free social housing and handouts. They don't fear any new tax because it won't affect them.

    Shoe or shirt?


  • #251
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,061 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Greens will fail miserably once again. They have no cohesive plan and we will now see this.

    Wouldn't doubt it, but I'd say it's an awful kick in the teeth to realise that even when votes do drift away from the traditional parties that you're still not seen as a worthwhile group.


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  • #252
    Dirkziggler
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    awec wrote: »
    Wouldn't doubt it, but I'd say it's an awful kick in the teeth to realise that even when votes do drift away from the traditional parties that you're still not seen as a worthwhile group.

    I agree. I'm a little disappointed my own party of choice hasnt been received as well as I thought they would. I believe politics begin at local levels and we will now see how this plays out. The greens will fold under any pressure if their ideas are tested.


  • #253
    bren2001
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    mugsymugsy wrote: »
    Do SF really not work with others on the tally work?

    I ran the FF tally in the last GE for one of the constituencies (I dont vote FF). Ourselves, labour and FG had staff to run the count along with one other party but I can't remember who. I supplied all the independents with our figures. SF sat at the end of the table running their own tally count. It was strange because they had to have staff at every box. We didn't as we shared tally people.


  • #254
    nice_guy80
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    ForestFire wrote: »
    Tell me, can the homes that are in most need of upgraded insulation avail of these grants realistically?

    In most cases you need significant money yourself, as the grants only cover part of the work.

    So we have a aystem where the poor are taxed with the rest of us to subsidise peope who have money to make their home better.


    Tell me, how is a 5k grant on a luxury vehicle benifit the average person?
    Do you think all these rich people, who buy these cars, would not do it without the grant?
    Will the sale of luxury cars save the planet, because I can tell you, before electric vehicles become affordable to all, the grants will be gone, and the free charging yeah only the few elite early adapters will get that also from our taxes.

    Our carbon taxes currely are Subsidising the rich only and not an effective way to really target emissions reduction.
    Most people in the real world save money and upgrade their own houses
    If there's a grant then it incentivises this

    Same with cars.
    For electric cars to be affordable and viable there needs to be huge investment in charging points in public car parks and elsewhere


  • #255
    Stephen15
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    Really?

    Children's hospital?
    Broadband?
    Guards?
    Housing?
    And so on...

    Couldnt organise a bar fight not to mind run a country.

    What's the alternative to FG. Corrupt FF who should no longer exist after what they did to this country back in 2008 or the loony left and SF who are not really a nationalist party as they seem to prefer globalism now. It's really a sad state of affairs especially looking at the rest of Europe waking up and we are still asleep.


  • #256
    ForestFire
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Most people in the real world save money and upgrade their own houses
    If there's a grant then it incentivises this

    Same with cars.
    For electric cars to be affordable and viable there needs to be huge investment in charging points in public car parks and elsewhere

    I'm sorry, how does 5k off a Tesla help upgrade the charging network.... It doesn't, and that's my point, don't give the rich the 5k for their Tesla's and instead spend in on the network that is compatible with cars other than Tesla.

    If you want to subsidise an electric car it should be a family car, not a performance car.


  • #257
    mugsymugsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭mugsymugsy


    bren2001 wrote: »
    I ran the FF tally in the last GE for one of the constituencies (I dont vote FF). Ourselves, labour and FG had staff to run the count along with one other party but I can't remember who. I supplied all the independents with our figures. SF sat at the end of the table running their own tally count. It was strange because they had to have staff at every box. We didn't as we shared tally people.

    Thanks for the insight


  • #258
    Fan of Netflix
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    Fianna Fail seem to be cleaning up in the locals so far sadly.


  • #259
    [Deleted User]
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    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    McIlvanny the Monaghan councillor from Prime Time probably got re elected

    Unfúckingbelievable if he will be. Only 2 of the 5 seats in his LEA (Local Electoral Area) of Ballybay-Clones are filled so far. According to the RTÉ website Ballybay-Clones actually lost a seat, from 6 to 5. So if he still manages to be re-elected it will make Ballybay-Clones the Monaghan version of those troglodyte nether regions of Tipperary that elect Lowry.

    Years before that infamous sting in 2015, the very same Hugh McElvanney was a serious contender for most dodgy local politician in Ireland. The people who elect him in Ballybay-Clones know precisely what they are voting for. Precisely.

    Hugh McElvanney on Shannonside Radio after the 2015 sting saying 'I was cuter than them (RTÉ & Fine Gael) and I lured them into their trap'


  • #260
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,654 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Unfúckingbelievable if he will be. Only 2 of the 5 seats in his LEA (Local Electoral Area) of Ballybay-Clones are filled so far. According to the RTÉ website Ballybay-Clones actually lost a seat, from 6 to 5. So if he still manages to be re-elected it will make Ballybay-Clones the Monaghan version of those troglodyte nether regions of Tipperary that elect Lowry.

    Years before that infamous sting in 2015, the very same Hugh McElvanney was a serious contender for most dodgy local politician in Ireland. The people who elect him in Ballybay-Clones know precisely what they are voting for. Precisely.

    Hugh McElvanney on Shannonside Radio after the 2015 sting saying 'I was cuter than them (RTÉ & Fine Gael) and I lured them into their trap'

    He's the archetypal 'didn't he fix the road' poltician. There are people here who genuinely believe RTE were out to get him. :)
    He's home and hosed looking at the figures here.


  • #261
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    ForestFire wrote: »
    Tell me, can the homes that are in most need of upgraded insulation avail of these grants realistically?

    In most cases you need significant money yourself, as the grants only cover part of the work.

    So we have a aystem where the poor are taxed with the rest of us to subsidise peope who have money to make their home better.


    Tell me, how is a 5k grant on a luxury vehicle benifit the average person?
    Do you think all these rich people, who buy these cars, would not do it without the grant?
    Will the sale of luxury cars save the planet, because I can tell you, before electric vehicles become affordable to all, the grants will be gone, and the free charging yeah only the few elite early adapters will get that also from our taxes.

    Our carbon taxes currely are Subsidising the rich only and not an effective way to really target emissions reduction.


    The poor aren't taxed with the rest of us, they don't pay income tax. However, that is off-topic.

    The thing is, if we don't incentivise insulation, electric cars etc. then there won't be anywhere for anyone to live.


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  • #262
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Some thoughts on today's results:

    1)Collapse of SF:

    People are working again and seeing through the "free stuff for all" mandate that SF and the left have been pushing. There's massive inequality in Irish Society. We have those who get nothing but pay for everything and those who get everything and pay for nothing. Unfortunately for SF those that pay for nothing stayed at home and didn't bother voting.

    In my local area the SF candidate who topped the poll last time will struggle to get in. They ran another candidate plus the Aontu candidate took about 500 first preference votes. Where other parties had open discussions and freedom of conscience about the 8th SF expelled people and they took large numbers with them. While I'm pro choice this hard-line stance didn't do them any favours in rural Ireland....

    Interesting in an exit poll I seem it's SF voters who are far more concerned about immigration than the other parties yet they are fairly in favour of welcoming refugees and migrants.

    2) Green Wave

    Climate change is a massive issue. The recent protests have highlighted this. They have a position now to start the conversation about this but my concerns are they are a very middle class party and taxing rural Ireland to the hilt will not work.

    I'm very interested in what way they go but if they do well in the GE I'd expect a coalition with FG after the next election.

    FF & FG

    Low turnout was always going to help them. For local issues they are tried and tested in delivering because they are always in government.

    Will be interesting times ahead. I'd expect the environment will form a major part of the run up to the next election.


  • #263
    [Deleted User]
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    The greens will fold under any pressure if their ideas are tested.

    You mean Ireland is still the dark environmentally benighted hole it was in the early 90s and that all those crazy Scandinavian innovations like recycling, more cycle lanes, reducing emissions, electric cars, ethics in politics legislation, etc etc never happened?


    If even 25% of the GP ideas are progressive, that's an improvement of 25% on what the creatively challenged dullards of FG/FF/Labour/SF are offering. The best thing that has happened Irish politics since the Easter Rising is that we have more people now looking to more progressive European countries for inspiration and looking less at the environmentally disastrous greed-at-all-costs Anglo-American model. Ireland needs more political parties which are intellectually open to looking at enlightened European societies for ideas about every aspect of our society, from childcare costs (which are an outrage compared to the norm in continental Europe) to protecting our heritage.

    The Green Party's default comparison countries are Scandinavian/European, and this emphasis makes it intellectually and culturally unique in Ireland. The Green Party is, as it was 30 years ago, a complete breath of fresh air in Irish politics where the entire myopic mentality can be summed up as "Let's never do anything until after the Brits have tested it". Long may it stand out by opening Irish minds to kinder and more enlightened ways of running our society.


  • #264
    Sierra Oscar
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    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    Fianna Fail seem to be cleaning up in the locals so far sadly.

    Today's story is about the Green surge but it looks like tomorrow's will be more focused on Fianna Fáil as the bulk of the seats actually start to be filled.

    It looks like they will be comfortably the biggest party with some big gains in Dublin. Disastrous for both Fine Gael and Sinn Féin in the capital. Sinn Féin are battling to hold a seat in Mary Lou's own electoral area. Fine Gael vote also way down in the Taoiseach's electoral area.


  • #265
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,843 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    North East Kildare so far is looking to have a bonfire of the Independents. Brendan Young gone unless a recount is called and changes the result; Anthony Larkin almost certainly gone and Teresa Murray in severe trouble and dependant on SF transfers from an excluded candidate who implied plumping as "the only left wing candidate" (for her idea of left wing - as she had Labour, Green and centre left independents against her)

    Young and Murray would have been seen as safe by most.


  • #266
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Sarah Lipsett only got 41 first preference votes. This makes me happy, given that her answers in the Dublin Inquirer survey were to give tax breaks to landlords (from her seat on Dublin City Council).
    https://twitter.com/McStrolly/status/1132226872325148672


  • #267
    TheRiverman
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    Will a Green surge mean we will be seeing and hearing more of the insufferable Eamon Ryan again ?
    ����


  • #268
    blanch152
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Fine Gael vote also way down in the Taoiseach's electoral area.

    Is it?

    Just checked the Castleknock ward, which is where the Taoiseach is from (boundaries have changed, but that is still the ward he grew up in), and by my calculation they have gone from 19% to 27%? Will have two councillors elected, same as last time.


  • #269
    [Deleted User]
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Disastrous for both Fine Gael and Sinn Féin in the capital. Sinn Féin are battling to hold a seat in Mary Lou's own electoral area. Fine Gael vote also way down in the Taoiseach's electoral area.

    Both of them thoroughly deserve a hammering, given that one is the government of this state presiding over the housing crisis, and the other has for years been the largest party on Dublin City Council and thus the party with most responsibility for the crisis continuing. This 2015 change to apartment sizes, in particular, turned me against them. While I'd expect the Blueshirts to do that, Sinn Féin exposed themselves as rank hypocrites. As they say, if you want to discredit the opposition put them into power and let them discredit themselves.


  • #270
    L1011
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    Sheeps wrote: »
    Sarah Lipsett only got 41 first preference votes. This makes me happy, given that her answers in the Dublin Inquirer survey were to give tax breaks to landlords (from her seat on Dublin City Council).
    https://twitter.com/McStrolly/status/1132226872325148672

    #insta #sibling #fail

    Paddy Holohan has shown the conversion from real life other fame can work, but family of 'net famous clearly is not enough


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  • #271
    mikemac2
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    Castleknock LEA with 6 seats for 11 candidates

    Pembroke LEA with 5 seats for 9 candidates

    Either we have too many councilors or not enough candidates.

    Something not right about this :/ Might be time for a merger or boundary redrawing next time.

    Newbridge has 15 candidates for 6 seats. A brutal battle to win your seat, how it should be


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