Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

24-05-2019 01:32PM

Weed is not massive business - The return is not worth it, most folk are growing it. All this stuff is about coke.

Nobody buys weed - Maybe kids, most folk grow their own weed - Sure shops that sell seeds and lighting equipment are in all the major cities.

weldoninhio · 24-05-2019 01:35PM

MrFresh wrote: »

So you would only be in favour of granting visas to people with third level qualifications? That would be your immigration policy?

So you believe we should only grant visas to Chinese people?

That sounds like a perfectly reasonable immigration policy.

.Charlo · 24-05-2019 01:35PM

6541 wrote: »

Weed is not massive business - The return is not worth it, most folk are growing it. All this stuff is about coke.

Nobody buys weed - Maybe kids, most folk grow their own weed - Sure shops that sell seeds and lighting equipment are in all the major cities.

You're talking absolute bollox mate.

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 01:40PM

Nigeria is a resource-rich country.
It is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
Why would anyone in this country think that when Nigerian asylum applicants reach our shores, after passing through other safe countries where they should have applied for asylum, that they would not have a propensity for corruption and crime and welfare fraud here?

A good indicator of whether this is happening would be to examine the amount of Nigerians that are currently employed in Ireland after getting their asylum approved. Over 70% of them are not working or on welfare. That high number speaks for itself.

So yes, country of origin could be one of the determining factors in approving/rejecting asylum, and it should also be used to judge them as a whole when it comes to gangs and criminality.

24-05-2019 01:40PM

.Charlo wrote: »

You're talking absolute bollox mate.

Fair enough - Just telling you what I know.

People that pay 50 Euro for 3.5 grams of weed soon realize that growing it themselves is cheaper. The Market for weed in this country fell away years ago.
Its too bulky to move, hard to make money on it, Coke is what this is all about.

But you are entitled to still think weed is a money making commodity.

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2019 01:43PM

6541 wrote: »

Fair enough - Just telling you what I know.

People that pay 50 Euro for 3.5 grams of weed soon realize that growing it themselves is cheaper. The Market for weed in this country fell away years ago.
Its too bulky to move, hard to make money on it, Coke is what this is all about.

But you are entitled to still think weed is a money making commodity.

there still seems to be a fair whack of it floating about

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-seize-hand-grenades-and-25m-of-cannabis-in-meath-922903.html

Even with the usual inflated price that is a LOT of cannabis.

ToBeFrank123 · 24-05-2019 01:45PM

major bill wrote: »

This old chestnut!! yea everyone on ''drugs'' is a boring bastard.

A lot are to be fair and turn into even bigger boring bastards the more drugs they consume. I've known a fair number of people who have destroyed their lives with drugs, we all do. Most of the time it doesn't end well, crash out of college because they can't get out of bed after smoking weed all day and all night. Coke addiction leading to wasting theirs and families money, all the way up to heroin where they spend their lives in a permanent haze, often leading to homelessness, long term addiction and ODs.

Fair enough if someone is an occasional user, ie once a month or less. Its those who are addicted or consume it every weekend where the problem lies.

America by the way has a massive opioid addiction problem at the moment, that's opioids you can get across the counter with a doctor's prescription. So legalisation of hard drugs isn't always the answer. And the various drug gangs will still operate behind the scenes and with the same threats and shootings if you don't pay up.

Dublin and Ireland it seems are a massive consumer of drugs and this is driving the drugs war just as American consumption of coke drives the Mexican drugs war.

I'm expecting a reply from someone who says coke and heroin should be legalised and you should be allowed buy it from your local pharmacy or grocery store, as if somehow this is a solution.

Suckit · 24-05-2019 01:45PM

6541 wrote: »

Fair enough - Just telling you what I know think.

People that pay 50 Euro for 3.5 grams of weed soon realize that growing it themselves is cheaper. The Market for weed in this country fell away years ago.
Its too bulky to move, hard to make money on it, Coke is what this is all about.

But you are entitled to still think weed is a money making commodity.

FYP.

24-05-2019 01:47PM

MrFresh wrote: »

How about you stop avoiding the point of the post you quoted then?

I interjected with one solitary point. A singular question which asked why the offspring of certain peoples that have settled here don't seem to have a problem integrating, or at least don't bother others en mass, and why some of the toe rags at the topic of this thread don't behave similarly.

I'm met with rebuttals of ''so you're saying x y z....'' when I haven't said anything of the sort, I simply asked a fair question.

.Charlo · 24-05-2019 01:49PM

6541 wrote: »

Fair enough - Just telling you what I know.

People that pay 50 Euro for 3.5 grams of weed soon realize that growing it themselves is cheaper. The Market for weed in this country fell away years ago.
Its too bulky to move, hard to make money on it, Coke is what this is all about.

But you are entitled to still think weed is a money making commodity.

People growing weed with these small set ups, 90% of the time the quality is shìte very low thc levels. More people smoke weed than do do coke. I can tell you on the road where I live theres two houses selling weed and theres cars and people coming in an out all day.

Yeah there's big money to be made from coke at certain times of the week. Very few people are sitting around doing a few sniffs at this hour of the day but theres plenty smoking joints.

I'm not saying coke isn't big its just its not an all day every day business like weed.

The Quality of the coke is going up though a lot which is no bad thing.

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2019 01:50PM

.Charlo wrote: »

People growing weed with these small set ups, 90% of the time the quality is shìte very low thc levels. More people smoke weed than do do coke. I can tell you on the road where I live theres two houses selling weed and theres cars and people coming in an out all day.

Yeah there's big money to be made from coke at certain times of the week. Very few people are sitting around doing a few sniffs at this hour of the day but theres plenty smoking joints.

I'm not saying coke isn't big its just its not an all day every day business like weed.

The Quality of the coke is going up though a lot which is no bad thing.

Eamonn Dunphy will be pleased.

24-05-2019 01:52PM

Omackeral wrote: »

The Chinese have arrived here in great numbers over the years and yet you don't see gangs of them going around causing havoc and intimidating people.

MrFresh wrote: »

So you believe we should only grant visas to Chinese people?

Just quoting this again. It's amazing you can arrive at this conclusion for me! It's an example. Are you familiar with the concept of giving an example? It doesn't have to be all-encompassing. It's a test subject, for want of a better term.

My take on it; Anyone who is willing to work honestly or legitimately study is welcome here in my eyes. They can even practice their own religion and culture and language so long as it doesn't infringe on other people's lives as far as I'm concerned. There's my actual take, not one you apply to me.

Ken. · 24-05-2019 01:53PM

Mod-The 2 gangland threads have been merged cause they are both discussing the same thing. If you are thread banned from either of the 2 original threads you are still thread banned from the merged thread.

Thread locked for a little while for everyone to see this message.

Ken. · 24-05-2019 02:46PM

Mod-Thread reopened

hugs_for_drugs · 24-05-2019 02:51PM

.Charlo wrote: »

You're talking absolute bollox mate.

There's little to be made from selling weed to the end user.

By the kg or tonne is a different story mind you.

Pakistan or Indian pharma, heroin and sh!t coke the wads are made from.

MrFresh · 24-05-2019 02:56PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Just quoting this again. It's amazing you can arrive at this conclusion for me! It's an example. Are you familiar with the concept of giving an example? It doesn't have to be all-encompassing. It's a test subject, for want of a better term.

My take on it; Anyone who is willing to work honestly or legitimately study is welcome here in my eyes. They can even practice their own religion and culture and language so long as it doesn't infringe on other people's lives as far as I'm concerned. There's my actual take, not one you apply to me.

An example usually comes after making a point. When you give an example without making a point I think it's fair to make assumptions as to the point being made.

As to your take, how would you test a potential immigrant on their willingness to work or be educated or on their potential to end up in a gang? How would you test their children?

6541 wrote: »

Fair enough - Just telling you what I know.

People that pay 50 Euro for 3.5 grams of weed soon realize that growing it themselves is cheaper. The Market for weed in this country fell away years ago.
Its too bulky to move, hard to make money on it, Coke is what this is all about.

But you are entitled to still think weed is a money making commodity.

The weed market is massive, larger than any other illicit substance, because people see it as harmless. It's also a great starting point for dealers to build their customer base and trust level. The penalties for being caught with it are often smaller too.

24-05-2019 03:01PM

MrFresh wrote: »

An example usually comes after making a point. When you give an example without making a point I think it's fair to make assumptions as to the point being made.

As to your take, how would you test a potential immigrant on their willingness to work or be educated or on their potential to end up in a gang? How would you test their children?

I never said I wanted to do that. Never inferred it should be done. I made an observation. It was how Chinese/Chinese-Irish don't seem to cause havoc. That's it. That was my point. It's there in black and white.

I'm done with you now. Anyway, it seems the old thread has been merged into this one so it's a natural conclusion to our discussion.

El_Bee · 24-05-2019 03:07PM

6541 wrote: »

Weed is not massive business - The return is not worth it, most folk are growing it. All this stuff is about coke.

Nobody buys weed - Maybe kids, most folk grow their own weed - Sure shops that sell seeds and lighting equipment are in all the major cities.

the old "cannabis is a harmless cottage industry" rubbish

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ballymun-gardai-arrest-14-after-seizing-guns-ammunition-and-drugs-926410.html

Officers also found cannabis herb and cocaine worth around €42,000

the sooner cannabis is legalised the better, take as much money out of these guys hands as possible.

El_Bee · 24-05-2019 03:09PM

major bill wrote: »

This old chestnut!! yea everyone on ''drugs'' is a boring bastard.

to be fair most if not all of the heavy cocaine users are the same people who cant sit in a room/vehicle without ear splitting levels of EDM blaring, brainless NPC's for the most part.

ToBeFrank123 · 24-05-2019 03:14PM

El_Bee wrote: »

the sooner cannabis is legalised the better, take as much money out of these guys hands as possible.

Many doctors would disagree.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-sleepwalking-into-liberal-cannabis-regime-warn-doctors-1.3897656

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-05-2019 03:16PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Did I say that?

You inferred that all immigrant groups are troublesome. I'm simply asking where are all the ethic Chinese youths running amok in groups over here?

Amazingly there was actually Triad activity in Dublin at one point in the 70s.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-night-the-bloody-triad-wars-erupted-on-the-streets-of-dublin-37185349.html

El_Bee · 24-05-2019 03:16PM

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gunman-wore-no-mask-cycled-16323204

Gunman wore no mask as he cycled round waiting for shooting victim Jordan Davis

Amazing how he could just loiter around without fear of being identified.

Suckit · 24-05-2019 03:28PM

El_Bee wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gunman-wore-no-mask-cycled-16323204

Nephews Braxton and Chickletta?

Possible wannabe gangsters of the future?

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2019 03:39PM

El_Bee wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gunman-wore-no-mask-cycled-16323204

Amazing how he could just loiter around without fear of being identified.

i imagine loitering in a balaclava may draw unwanted attention.

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 03:55PM

This thread merger is certainly confusing. Where's the shootings in the other thread?
After changing the thread title a number of times (couldn't have the words 'black gangs' in it), they merged it here.
10 years ago we couldn't start talk about Travellers, but now we can.

Maybe in another 10 years, we'll be mature enough to accept the reality that there are black gangs in Ireland and it should be discussed, and I am pretty sure that by then, there will be no hiding that fact.

steve-collins · 24-05-2019 03:55PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Amazingly there was actually Triad activity in Dublin at one point in the 70s.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-night-the-bloody-triad-wars-erupted-on-the-streets-of-dublin-37185349.html

Not just the 70s

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/garda%25C3%25AD-investigate-possible-chinese-triad-link-to-street-attack-in-dublin-1.558267%3fmode=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/04/ireland1

realdanbreen · 24-05-2019 04:01PM

major bill wrote: »

This old chestnut!! yea everyone on ''drugs'' is a boring bastard.

Maybe not, but it's a long time since I've seen a happy addict.

IvoryTower · 24-05-2019 04:02PM

Kivaro wrote: »

This thread merger is certainly confusing. Where's the shootings in the other thread?
After changing the thread title a number of times (couldn't have the words 'black gangs' in it), they merged it here.
10 years ago we couldn't start talk about Travellers, but now we can.

Maybe in another 10 years, we'll be mature enough to accept the reality that there are black gangs in Ireland and it should be discussed, and I am pretty sure that by then, there will be no hiding that fact.

Its a thread about gangland shootings in Ireland, what's the confusion

King of Kings · 24-05-2019 04:02PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

A lot are to be fair and turn into even bigger boring bastards the more drugs they consume. I've known a fair number of people who have destroyed their lives with drugs, we all do. Most of the time it doesn't end well, crash out of college because they can't get out of bed after smoking weed all day and all night. Coke addiction leading to wasting theirs and families money, all the way up to heroin where they spend their lives in a permanent haze, often leading to homelessness, long term addiction and ODs.

Fair enough if someone is an occasional user, ie once a month or less. Its those who are addicted or consume it every weekend where the problem lies.

America by the way has a massive opioid addiction problem at the moment, that's opioids you can get across the counter with a doctor's prescription. So legalisation of hard drugs isn't always the answer. And the various drug gangs will still operate behind the scenes and with the same threats and shootings if you don't pay up.

Dublin and Ireland it seems are a massive consumer of drugs and this is driving the drugs war just as American consumption of coke drives the Mexican drugs war.

I'm expecting a reply from someone who says coke and heroin should be legalised and you should be allowed buy it from your local pharmacy or grocery store, as if somehow this is a solution.

A fair few ? How many people??

Your post sounds like a load of bollocks tbh.

King of Kings · 24-05-2019 04:04PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Many doctors would disagree.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-sleepwalking-into-liberal-cannabis-regime-warn-doctors-1.3897656

Some doctors.....not all.

Doctors are mostly biased anyway with regard to drugs cos they only deal with problem cases and make judgements accordingly.

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